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Re: Laboratory test..Stones or bile..?
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Re: Laboratory test..Stones or bile..?

From: "Jay Townsend"
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:49:29 EDT
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Laboratory test..Stones or bile..?


Interesting discussion, and very educational too.


".....The two types of Gallstones are cholesterol stones and pigment stones.
Cholesterol stones are usually yellow-green and are made primarily of
hardened cholesterol. They account for about 80 percent of gallstones.
Pigment stones are small, dark stones made of bilirubin. Gallstones can be as
small as a grain of sand or as large as a golf ball. The gallbladder can
develop just one large stone, hundreds of tiny stones, or almost any

And from Nick's nice post about the lab results of his gallstone sample:

".....that the samples I provided were definitely Gallstones - 100% certain!

To my surprise they contained no bilirubin, but they did contain lots of
cholesterol. They were very keen to stress that there was
absolutely no doubt about the analysis, it had been carried out very
carefully and thoroughly.

The work was done by a consultant bio-chemist at a National Health Service
(NHS) Bio-chemistry Laboratory in Scotland......"

>From Dr. Lewis' book that I quoted previously:

"....His analysis of the stone sample I sent was 91% cholesterol and the rest
was bile salts, water and inert ingredients. In other words, the sample had
the chemical contents of gall stones. And the report clearly states it was
gall stones"

I'm assuming that both Nick's stone and the Lewis' stone sent for analysis
were the soft green variety due to their high cholesterol content. The labs
in both cases appear to be eminently qualified and in both cases they labeled
the stones as "gallstones."

Barry, if you want them to be rock hard for them to meet your definition, I
don't see any problem with that either. There are many sites on the Internet
that have pictures of both the soft greenies and the rock candy hard ones.
But from the first definition above, both are gallstones.

>From the above site where I got the gallstone definition it says that they
can be as small as a grain of sand. That was what I expelled on my first
flush in great quantities, and passed only 3 or 4 the size of small peas. I
had learned of the flush and methodology from the "Ask Tom" site (at and wrote to the gallstone
moderator letting him know of my disappointment, because of my age and
lifestyle had expected masses of large stones. I was informed that what I
had passed was known in the liver/gallbladder world as "chaff" and that I
should continue on with my flushes. I did, and have flushed 14 or 15 times
over the past 4 years with excellent results, sometimes getting 2-300 large
stones at a time (and no more chaff). I have faithfully used the Epsom Salt
routine but my last 2 or 3 flushes have produced next to nothing so I'm
convinced that what is flushing out isn't olive oil or I would get the same
stuff and the same amount every time. That just doesn't happen.

I too went through the routine of thinking that what I was passing weren't
really gallstones, yet I have passed many different varieties in quantity,
size, and color, while using the same technique each time. Again, if it were
"just the oil" then all output would be the same. I became particularly
convinced that what I am passing are gallstones after sometime ago reading
Dr. Lewis' lab results, and now too after reading Nick's lab results. If the
lab doing the analysis were Joe's Drugstore, then perhaps I would be
skeptical, but in both cases the labs appear to be highly qualified.


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