Pt Deux Regarding Spirituality and meat eating by Ayehasherayeh ..... Christianity Debate
Date: 8/17/2007 2:22:10 PM ( 14 years ago ago)
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Turning to the New Testament, we find definite instructions on diet. The oldest known version of the Gospels is in Aramaic, the actual language which Jesus spoke. The text of Luke 21:34 reads “Now take care in your souls that you never make your hearts heavy by eating flesh and by drinking wine.” What more need be said? I mean Nuff said right?
Well ok I'll continue for some will rationalize the statement by Christ himself surely.
The assertion that Christ ate or sanctioned it eating fish really used to get me and shows that people do not read and study with proper context and awareness. Of course in Sunday School the teachers would take to stuttering and change the subject when I brought this type of stuff up. It showed me that the majority of people though well meaning are nothing more than robots repeating that which they have gained not from independent study or experiential gnosis but from parroting someone who 'taught' them. That's fine also if you choose as such.
We find the account of fish multiplication in all four gospels so It likely did happen and was important.
in Matthew 14:19, Mark 6:41, and John 6:11, a very definite distinction is made between the bread and the fish. All three Evangelists specifically or obviously deliberately state that the Lord Jesus first took the loaves, blessed them, and gave them to the Apostles to distribute. He never blessed the fish or broke them for eating, but simply handed them to the Apostles for distribution. Why, then, did He even multiply the fish? First, because the five loaves and two fishes are important symbols of esoteric wisdom. Second, if He had not done so He would not have been able to make such a distinction in His treatment of them and thereby give us this lesson showing His attitude toward eating fish.
I should say that some say the fish was in reference to a sea plant called “fish plant” that was eaten at the time of Jesus and is used even today in the Middle East. Small rolls of this vegetable matter, much like our modern vegetarian versions of sushi, were made from the plant and called “fish.” Some feel that these were what Christ utilized.
Given Jesus opening statement and being who HE was and as HE followed God's command, it is impossible to believe that He or they ate meat or fish. Although some of the Apostles were fishermen before meeting Him, there is no evidence that they ate fish after being called by Christ.
Also, if we look at the accounts of the two times Jesus “cleansed” the Temple, we will see that His main targets were those who profitted by selling animal flesh for sacrifice the moneychangers being only secondary in His concern.
However, two evidences of the Apostles’ faithlessness and reversion to their old way of life were their having some fish when Jesus appeared to them after His resurrection and asked for something to eat, and their going back to catching fish, even after seeing the resurrected Christ. It was for this reason that Jesus asked Saint Peter point blank “Simon, Son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these [fish]?” For the reversion to eating fish and catching them certainly had something to do with their losing faith in Christ and a straying from their “first love.” In this way Jesus gently but pointedly rebuked them, making it clear that Saint Peter could not have both Jesus and the dead flesh. He had to choose between them. So it is clear that meate-ating is a serious obstacle to spiritual life.
Didn’t Jesus say that it is not what goes into the body that defiles it, but what comes out of the heart?” Yes..... but not the “yes” you lusters of meat want
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.…And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand....Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.…Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.”
So it can be easily seen by any but the most comfortable with being blind, that Jesus was speaking about physical cleanliness being exaggerated into spiritual cleanliness. This reminds me of those fake gnostic essene books in regards to a bowel movement being equated with sin or some such and jesus giving instruction on the performing of high colonics to rid one of sin. Good metaphors however as I recall.
ok where was i?
before we get to Peter's vision
Let's Do Saint Paul I know the lusters of flesh love to quote this one..(out of context) Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit? He who defiles the temple, him will God destroy.”
Now the temple is in no way the indwelling spirit. That is obvious. Therefore the defiling of the temple is not the said defiling of spirit, but rather the defying of spirit by inhibiting consciousness and therefore evolution. The willful self-destruction of the body by flesh-eating is indeed a moral and spiritual defiling of oneself.
The “heart” spoken of by Jesus in the carnivore flesh lusters “no defilement” misquotes, is obviously not the organ which circulates the blood in the physical body, but rather a metaphor for the inner psychic bodies of the individual. And their makeup is determined almost exclusively by diet. Therefore, diet does determine what the nature of the heart shall be. Out of a pure and enlightened heart only purity and light can come. But conversely, out of a darkened and deadened heart only darkness and death can come. This should be realized, for it is the emanations of this “heart” that do indeed defile not only us but those around us. And since diet determines the nature of the heart, there can be no alternative to vegetarianism for one who aspires to accomplish conscious evolution and return to the infinite Source. As the beloved Apostle said: “Every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Hmmm... perhaps some more from Paul and finally debunking the whole "Peter sheet of clean meat" thing after I abstain again from flesh in my daily sacrifice of fruit bearing seed and perhaps a little herb.
Aye (with the inside help of swamiji 2)
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