Those are all cultural decisons you named, not evolutionary. Women would be just fine if they didnt shave any part of their body. Men would be just fine with long hair and big beards. All animals have some sort of covering over their penis and last time I checked no vet promoted cutting off the foreskin of a poodle for ”hygenic” purposes. The penis has been designed over millions of years to live under the protection of the foreskin. Just like the tounge lives inside the lips. If your so happy with the ”hygenic” benefits to cutting off the foreskin, I suggest you consider c ...
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LOL When ”The Institute for Creation Research” does an experiment, we all know what they are looking for. That they made the data match their theories is not surprising in the least.   [End]
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The oninon is a satirical magazine from the University of Wis. It is not meant to be a real article and should be stated for what it is.   [End]
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Just like a creationist. OK, you find a hole in the argument and suddenly everythin is wrong. Why this is ridiculous. If there were no evolution, God must periodically be making new species out of nothing. You like to make a big deal out of ”no one has seen a new species evolove from another one”, but I am still waiting for a new species to spring up out of the dirt, or for a river to turn to blood, or a sea to part, or any of those fancy things to happen. The truth is in the last billion or so years this has been going on, watching it for a hundred or so years waiting for a speci ...
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SS, I will concede that I have put much less time into the research of this subject than you, so may very well be wrong. But.... Seems to me this is very plausable. For example: Someone smokes for years. The carcinigens found in the tobacco affect the person at the genetic level. That person reproduces and when they do, certain genes have been ”turned on” that were not active before. This person’s environment has produced genetic assimlation and adaptation. The genes that are now turned on have a higher tendency to be passed on to the offspring than if they were turned off.   [End]
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If you actually post for the intent of having people read it, it might be a good idea to not run it together in an almost unreadable format.   [End]
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What is painfully obvious is like, most religous people, you pick and choose what part of science you want to believe. Saying ”proving evoltion beoyond a doubt” is absurd. I can roll out ”scientists” who still say that smoking has no correlation to cancer, and plenty of them. You can let people watch the rocket blast off, take a live feed from space, have amatures all over the globe follow the rocket to the moon, and watch live as they walk on it, and there are still people that say it didn’t happen. To say there is no evidence for evolution is inacurate. Many links that show evolut ...
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So you accept levetation, quantam physics, the non-existence of matter and all encompasing energy fields, but think God magically snaped his fingers and made everything in its current form because evolution is too far out there??? Man, give me some of what your smoking.....   [End]
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You start off your posts in the ”Debate” forum by saying you won’t debate. Common sense dictates that this is not the room for you.   [End]
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Moreless, So your great revalation is you came from your ”mommy”. I now understand where your reluctance to debate comes from. It is not exactly your strong point. To summarize: Your cryptic answers imply a hidden meaning. A greater knowledge. So far implications are as far as we have gotten. You did manage to ignore 7 of the 8 questions asked, but with the wisdom given in # 8 it sure made up for it. Maybe you should stick to talking about alkalinity. ”The Creator made it” carries about as much weight as your round about acidity-thought connection.   [End]
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Moreless, I am glad your amused. Maybe your intelligence is so far above mine that I simply do not understand your meaning. Maybe, through your 21st Century version of the Socratic Method, you are actually disclosing the first steps on the path toward complete enlightenment. But then again, Socrates asked questions to provoke thought. He did not make over- reaching statements on complex topics then refuse to back them up. Once again, I am not to sharp, so maybe I just don’t get the obvious. Here are a few questions that I have that will no doubt start me thinking at least. ...
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100 out of how many hundreds of thousands?? I can find 100 oncologists that say smoking does not cause cancer if I ask enough of them......   [End]
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---Sorry but your both off the mark. Life happens, starting with a few chemicals and some moisture and warmth, the right conditions were here and life began. There is no purpose, There is no destiny, There is no meaning to it, other than the meaning we give it. Why should there be? That stuff is just for the insecure mind of the newly conscious beings called humans. They will get over it and start to embrace the present when they lose their fears. ---This was just the sort of post that SS would have loved. Throwing anyone that believs in evolution into a bag with atheiests ...
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---Boy you like to be cryptic dont you. Maybe I am the only one that was not satisfied with the answers provided. Hi, Why is it that some people never learn to see what they are reading and make something out of it which was not said? I did not say that any one person knew all of the answers at this point, but that with the correct understanding of the Acid Alkaline pH Balancing Principles, that the answers may be known! ---Great. Now please tell me how pH balancing can answer the great questions of the Universe because I still have no idea on how that relates or more specifi ...
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”ALL’ of the answers to your questions of the unknown may be understood with the correct understanding of the Acid Alkaline pH Balancing Principles, but because some of the info may be used for Evil as well as Good, those Few who do understand many of the answers may keep this info to themselves!” What on earth are you talking about?? All that is unknown may be understood with relation to pH balancing???? So all the secrets of the Universe are found in pH balancing now. Unless you can clarify that (extremely) overreaching statement to an extent that I cannot fathom at the mom ...
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”I haven’t really dug into this particular find. But just looking at the picture, it doesn’t look very fish-like to me. It looks more like a crocodile...as does an alligator...yet this is a different creature as well. But how can one tell just by looking at this creature’s head?” Everyone has an opinion. I tend to value those who have devoted their life’s work to a paticular study above someone who glances at a photo though.   [End]
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Here is a transitional fossil. http://creationevolutiondesign.blogspot.com/2006/04/discovered-miss... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthyostega http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acanthostega I dont know why there seems to be so much discussion about transitional fossils. They are of course (these versions normally did not stay around very long so the probability of finding them is quite low) few of them around, but they do exist. ”The Lord works in Mysterious ways” does not quite do it for me. Like any reasoned debate, if anyone thinks that there are flaws with the ove ...
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All very fasincating, but gettting back on subject for a second: Species evolve. If ”frequencies” for different species are completly non-interchangable, then every species on this planet was created in today’s form ages ago. Did all of this just happen spontaniously?   [End]
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LOL ”At least Supersport can get through a post without calling everyone who disagrees with him godless. You clearly haven’t read too many of his posts over on the Abortion Debate forum.” I meant this post in paticular. It was a first.   [End]
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When my dog gets some chicken grease on his puppy chow, he sure is happy. When I scold him for being bad he is surely sad. At least Supersport can get through a post without calling everyone who disagrees with him godless.   [End]
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Ok, for one thing, ”I” WAS NOT CHARGED EXTRA AND I WAS NOT RIPPED OFF. When I e-mail costomer service I get a reply, when I call them I am treated kindly and they answer all of my questions and did whatever I say. Don’t tell ME, that you got ripped off, because that’s not the case with everyone. Some people who answer the phone’s don’t care if you loose money, but that’s not Kevin’s fault. He’s not in charge of the actions of ONE individual. I’ve never had a problem with his company and I’ve called and e-mailed tons of times. Over 3 million other people ALSO were not ripped off, so I ...
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Evolution can be proven. Just take a culture of bacteria resistant to an antibiotic and let it go through enough generations to become resistant to said antibiotic. It has evolved. White Shark, Gaylen wont be convinced until he watches a mouse turn into a hippo before his very eyes. I dont know why personally, even the book of myths doesnt say ”evolution did not happen”.   [End]
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Well since the Bible is fact, I guess now I am ok owning slaves, allowing daughters to seduce their fathers and stoning to death people who wear cotton blend fabrics. I feel better.   [End]
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Just a quick question. Is your idea of heaven bowing and praying all day??   [End]
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Gaylen, It does not matter what is posted, you give the same answer. This whole argument is absurd. Gravity is still a ’theory’ because that is the word used by the scientific world. Reasonable people (who do not look at a situation with preconcieved notions for what is true, i.e. what some 3000 year old book that has been mis-translated countless times tells them is true) can look at the situation and see that evolution is the best idea yet to be presented. But then again: There is no global warming. Cigarettes don’t cause cancer. OJ was innocent. All of the above ...
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Reality is very simple. If abortion was illegal, women would endanger themselves in unclean, unsafe ways in order to obtain them. For all practical purposes, agree or disagree, they need to stay legal in order to regulate them. Now, these posts by people who are anti-men or believe men should not be privy to anything to do with the subject because they do not have babies are small minded. Reminds me of a teenager that has their heart broken and thinks nobody in the world can identify with them.   [End]
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I doubt he is going to go broke giving seminars for $1000 a head.   [End]
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Is this also how they justifed the Spanish Inquisition by Christians? Or the wholesale slaughter of Native American populations by the Christian British and French in efforts to convert them? Or the killing of millions of East Asians by the Colonial Christians? Or the killing of native populations by the Christian Spanish in Mexico or the Christian Portugese in Brazil? Or the enslavment and decimation of the entire continent of Africa by Christian Conquerers? Or the slaughter of Catholics by Protestants and vice versa today?   [End]
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I am shocked that we have gotten this far without a sermon yet.   [End]
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Supersport, I know in your Bible thumping world that you live in that it is very important for you to call people Godless and go on and on about how the Bible is right because it says it is, but I for one am sick of your evanglicalism. The theory of evolution never claimed to answer where the Universe came from, only how we got to where we are today.   [End]
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This is just wrong. If the fastest things can move is the speed of light, how can stars be 1M light years away if the Universe is only 5000 years old??   [End]
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Science uses the term theory for any tested idea. Gravity is a theory too. That doesnt mean its not true.   [End]
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Understanding that evolution was the vehicle for the current state of things, does not necesitate that life came from non-life and chaos produces non information. Again, this forum is about evolution. Not where evolution came from. If creationist beliefs are true, Noah lived more like Fred Flintstone than we ever imagined. If he didn’t then it is wrong. If you want to start a forum about what came before the big bang, than do it, but its not relavent here.   [End]
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”point was for evolutionists who think we die and push up daisies” Fact??? golf egg how can you say what an evolutionist believes , we have the luxury of being able to put science in a whole different catagory then our personally mythologies, so how can anyone say what we beleive about what happens after death! I think evolution is like most science, a process of eliminating the untrue, with creationism at the top of the list! That doesnt mean evolution guides every minute of our day ,we keep our senses about us and look for truth,we are not out to fortify our mythologies! Just as i ...
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This illistrates the difference between us. You need proof for evolution (which I would again go to the trouble to provide, but you would just ignore it or say a prayer or something) but can accept all the insane stories in the Bible, like a man living in a whale for a few days then being spit up, or people being turned into pillars of salt, because God did it. 3-4 thousand years ago there were a few million people on earth. They talked to God, had conversations with angels, and wittnessed supernatural occurances on a regular basis. Now there are 6 billion people and those things see ...
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I erased the letter I was sent, but would somebody please post it...   [End]
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”So where did Cain’s wife come from again??? From people that existed in that area.” If Cain was the son of the first humans (Adam and Eve), what other people were in the area? That only leaves the option that the Bible left out some important information, like other humans God created out of the mud, or Adam & Eve were not the only thing going. So where did bacteria come from again? I have no idea. Maybe God made it. Maybe Aliens implanted it. The point is Noah did not have a pet dinosaur and the sky was not pink.   [End]
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I read Kevin’s book. I liked it enough to join his club for a few months. Now I get an email from him saying he is conducting a seminar in Chicago and is charging $1000 per head to attend. If that’s not enough, he is charging $250 for CD of the seminar. I gave him the benefit of the doubt before. Now I see him as a money hungry opportunist.   [End]
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I don’t even know where to start. Got thought most of it. Some guy spent a lot of time with his Encyclopedia Britannica and took whatever he wanted out to make his argument. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder comes to mind. It seems to me after reading this that every mistake science ever made proves the Creationist points. How could I have been so stupid???? But sadly, that is how science (theoretically anyway) works. Old ideas are replaced (Newton’s Law of rotation of heavenly bodies) when they are proved wrong by new ideas (Einstein’s General theory of Relativity). ...
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4 things golf egg: 1. Make an attempt to separate paragraphs when you post. That was a disaster. I got through about 1/3 of the entire post and can’t imagine that anyone is going to truthfully read the whole thing. 2. Crick believed that life was implanted here from an alien beginning. 3. Most of what is stated in that article has some truth in it, but has been twisted to reveal only one side of the argument. 4. I, for one, do not believe that evolution got all the details correct, but that does not mean that the overall picture is flawed. Also, Creationism is not a viab ...
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The only time I had a dream that was that real involved a cheerleader named Alison....   [End]
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What is the point of putting the pics of your kids???   [End]
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I had a copy of this a few years ago. That someone would go to all this trouble is astounding. It was very interesting from a few different viewpoints, that’s for sure....   [End]
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Whoops, was just trying to make an example there, not open up a can of Bible Thumping Fundamentalism.... Any excuse I guess.   [End]
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Some people won’t belive it until Jesus himself comes down and tells them it happened. Even then he would probably be called a false prophet.   [End]
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This is no different than all the rest. Just continues to prove the same point over and over. When someone asks the Creationists pointed questions they ignore them. Then when they present them with evidence that goes against their belief they call them names. Society where the majority of people are reason based and dont base our existance and everyday choices on myths made up by some nomads a few thousand years ago must be like hell on earth. When you guys want to move to a monastary and devote your life to the study of the good book, I will be glad to take care of your earthly p ...
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Do they teach you in Bible School how to never answer a question directly?   [End]
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I read the Comic Book Guy’s links. Another example of selective reasoning. Just because there was at one time (maybe) tectonic activity on Mars, does not mean it is growing. How can something that is not alive grow? What is there can move around, but growing implies gaining mass. Maybe I am not smart enough to understand and need your guidance.   [End]
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Did you know that we didn’t really go to the moon. All done on a stage in Hollywood. I read it on the internet, has to be true.   [End]
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Comic book artists sure have great imaginations. Maybe they should be setting the agenda. Pink sky anyone???   [End]
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So now you say that there is some evolution, but not others? All macro is, is a bunch of micros on a bigger scale. Where do you draw the line?   [End]
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Yeah that’s all you could do with that post. Ridicule. LOL! No I’m not, you are, except more of it. :-(   [End]
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Now God is building Arks. Amazing. My 6 year old nephew gave me the same answer when I asked him.   [End]
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Right now sun worship makes more sense than everything on earth being loaded into an ark built by a guy with no power tools. And since we know evolution did not exist, they all existed in the same form they are in now. Still doesn’t explain how some animalas are in places like Australia and not other places since the ark didn’t land there. But if I have learned anything from these posts, explination is not a prerequisite to religious faith.   [End]
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’it looks good to me. I wouldn’t touch a man without circumcision. that’s dirty. You need to read about it. The earth isn’t that old.’ I prefer all my women to look like Brittany Spears (pre-baby). Brittany Spears looks good to me. If you do not look like Brittany Spears, you are ugly. You should get surgery to look like Brittany if you do not. Men prefer Brittany to ugly women. You should read about it.   [End]
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Supersport, Nobody said God doesn’t exist and the Universe happened randomely. The problem you Bible Thumpers have with evolution is you think if someone accepts the theory of ’how’ things came to be, it must also explain ’why’. There is plenty of room in evolution for God. From where did the big bang come for starters. You made no attempt to answer any of the questions I gave in my earlier post. Instead you go on about points that are immateral to the debate at hand which is: Was evolution the vehicle by which the earth came into it’s present form? Get off your soapb ...
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Here is my question. 6 million years of primate evolution have led us to a penis with a foreskin. Then a few thousand years ago, some guys who bathed themselves who knows how often, decided that they should mutilate babies thus making them identifiable to their particular tribe. No animal on earth has an exposed penis. If it were inherently important that the male penis be exposed, nature would have taken care of it. I will trust natural selection on this one rather than some smelly unhygienic desert nomads.   [End]
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The bacteria in the example evolve a resistance to the antibiotic. Mutations occur in small segments of the population that allow it to resist. Then these mutated bacteria multiply and begin a new resistant form of the population. If you would have bothered to read the last post I put up about what evolution is and how it works, you will see how it ties in. I like Michelle’s post much better. Much more entertaining. You said: ”This bacteria obviously has some sort of immune system that has a built-in ability to dodge obstacles and a desire to survive...just like we humans do ...
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Since it’s getting late and I am kinda lazy tonight, I will repeat a post I made the other day that seemed to get lost in the shuffle of this forum. Want some proof of evolution? How about when bacteria develop a resistance to an antibiotic. Or mabye the ferries were magically changing the bacteria. Here was a 10 second google search: http://whyfiles.org/038badbugs/scope.html http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/795_antibio.html http://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/community/ Evolution in action...... Also I know a latino couple that is quite brown. The wife recently g ...
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Last time I checked the majority were not willing to let the religious zealots run the Treasury, the US Mint, the IRS, Social Security, the FBI, the CIA and the Department of Homeland Security. That is the Government. No doubt some in here would feel better if the Evangelicals were directly in charge of these departments.   [End]
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Last time I checked this was the evolution forum, not the Judas forum. Stay on topic please.   [End]
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You don’t get it because you don’t want to get it. Just like any religious zealot (I would not hesitate to compare a fundamentalist Christian to a fundamentalist Muslim) it does not matter what is presented, there will always be some ’faith based’ excuse to get you out of it. I have to confess, I really enjoy reading the rebuttals to these posts. But for those in here who legitimately have not been able to get a good exposure to ideas (ignorant family life, overbearing church, lack of education, etc…) and would like to make a decision based on facts, here’s a few. What is evoluti ...
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Actually I hate to nitpick here, but there is some debate over what was actually the first civilization. Regardless, Mesopatamia was well before Egypt.   [End]
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Obvously the demons, disguised as aliens, planted this in the ground to fool us. Of course it had to have been done in the last 6000 years because that is the age of the earth.   [End]
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I should not even bother but for entertainment purposes I will. How Carbon-14 is Made Cosmic rays enter the earth’s atmosphere in large numbers every day. For example, every person is hit by about half a million cosmic rays every hour. It is not uncommon for a cosmic ray to collide with an atom in the atmosphere, creating a secondary cosmic ray in the form of an energetic neutron, and for these energetic neutrons to collide with nitrogen atoms. When the neutron collides, a nitrogen-14 (seven protons, seven neutrons) atom turns into a carbon-14 atom (six protons, eight neutrons) and a h ...
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No I prefer to believe that 50 millon barrels of oil pumped every day, and coutless barrels that were pumped over the last 100 years of so, were all formed on a rainy afternoon by some mudslides. Oh yea, the sky used to be pink. Oh yea, people lived with dragons, and the devil put a bunch of bones in the ground. Oh yea, demons run around in little spaceships to fool us into thinking they’re aliens. Oh yea, there used to be an entire ocean above the sky but it fell down and killed everybody. Oh yea, and every biologist on earth is wrong. Oh yea, and every palientologist on ...
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I am amazed that anyone can be that ignorant. I bet if your preacher said that the sky was polka dot you would have a theory that explained it straight from the good book. If Michelle’s description is to be believed, Fred Flintstone was living the life of acient man before the flood. Makes for good TV at least.   [End]
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Why don’t people belive in it??? Be glad to help. The Bible was written by a bunch of zealots thousands of years ago. Many people today find it hard to relate to. As a historical document it has merit, but when you read lessions like Lot offering his virgin daughters to a angry mob and them getting drunk being seduced by them, it is time to rethink the divinity aspect and take it all with a grain of salt.   [End]
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How can someone live in today’s world and even question such a statement? How about when bacteria develop a resistance to an antibiotic. Or mabye the ferries were magically changing the bacteria. Here was a 10 second google search: http://whyfiles.org/038badbugs/scope.html http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/795_antibio.html http://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/community/ Evolution in action......   [End]
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Sylvia Browne must be quite old to be able to physically describe someone who lived 2000 years ago. When she details her in the book, does she happen to be riding on a dinosaur?   [End]
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If the gov should no run the schools, who should?   [End]
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Thanks for the quick response. Since I have a minute I decided to look up these passages. The online TheBible.com actually gives commentary in the form of footnotes. Here is what I found: Job 41:1 Job 41 1 ”Can you pull in the leviathan [a] with a fishhook or tie down his tongue with a rope? Footnotes: Job 41:1 Possibly the crocodile 14 It was you who crushed the heads of Leviathan and gave him as food to the creatures of the desert. Ps 104:26 26 There the ships go to and fro, and the leviathan, which you formed to frolic there. Is 27:1Isaiah 27 Delive ...
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What does evolution have to do with abortion???? -------------------------------- Why is it that many evolutionists are so giddy about the prospects of evolution when the final destination of such a belief is empty and dead-ended at best -- and an eternity spent someplace miserable at worst? -------------------------------- Hey ’Superhero’, just because someone accepts the overwhelming evidence (what an uderstatment!!!!) that evolution is not only a fact of the Universe, but how life came into being, that does not discount evidence of a creator. From what I have read you m ...
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Dragons in the Bible???? I must have missed that part. Can you refer me to it?   [End]
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Well other than the obvious, that nobody can possibly write a book describing someone who was alive 2000+ years ago with no physical description, giving a physical description of them, which is simply absurd, this part: ’Logically, if we say this is not true, haven’t we left out the other part- i.e.that it is true. If we say that it is true we could also say that we left out the possibility that it isn’t.’ reminds me of a first year philosophy student attempting to sound smart (the oppossite of dumb).   [End]
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OK, that is the dumbest post I have read so far....   [End]
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I cannot believe that there are so many ignorant people here.   [End]
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None of these quotes have anything to do with the nonsensical ramble that you were going on about. Nearly all of these quotes refer to something being behind evolution, not to the fact that it did not happen. Be careful using selectivly orchestrated quotes to make a point that the author never intended. Next thing you know people will be posting quotes from the Bible that condone sodomy, father to daughter incest, and slavery.....   [End]
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