I have also being looking into lithium Orate and glutamate, not lithium carbonate from your doctor, but nstural lithium orate, which can be bought from most vitamin shops.. There are some interesting reads on it... http://www.pnas.org/content/95/14/8363.full http://www.pnas.org/content/95/14/8363.full   [End]
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It might be good for you to look towards those that have had actual gaba damage, such as benzo victims. We have down regulated gaba receptors, therefore glutamate is wild...we call episodes (siezure like happenings) that occur ’glutamate storms’. Obviously you are not as severe as this, but i do think the glutamate/gaba system is very resposible for certain types of AF/CFS Here is a good link http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=95993.msg1228561#msg1228561 and my original posting http://www.cortjohnson.org/blog/2013/02/15/glutamate-one-more-piece-in-the-chronic-fat ...
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Did you spank the monkey more than once? Well done son! :)   [End]
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I do seem to of got myself a stalker, Im kinda flattered to be honest, so flattered, I adopted his user number...my next plan is get as many new AF’s into hospital with epson salt overloads as possible, because he is the GOD of recovery from a disease he never had. Love it. He is bothering some one else at the moment on the debate forum, I cant post in there, so ill leave him to it, gives Natway a break anyway. One day the Af forum will be peaceful and supportive again. Its interesting that Ive noticed, it is the troll that instigates the ’war cry’ initially, pretty much on every one ...
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Its a ploy to get us to hospitalise ourselves with Liver Flushes   [End]
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I think you should! Give us a running commentary!   [End]
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Good stuff, what did you do with your increased libido? :)   [End]
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You are still lost in your head ’claiming’ things does make them true, because YOU say it is. Yes, we know you are an internet warrior, I was merely giving you the chance to see if you are more than a keyboard soldier or something of more substance because you are regularly destroyed on the forum. You seem to think you have an insight into my life and health because you troll posts. You really do need some help, maybe a good woman? Anyhow, very bored now, you are now trolling a post that was suggesting a new forum to give you a place to troll. Is anywhere safe?:) Night kiddo x
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I like fight club. Ive offered to come meet you anytime buddy, but you declined unfortunately. Every time. You and your stories. Hilarious. Although granted, I have changed my username because your trolling is out on control, so you got one right. Top marks lad!   [End]
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As I continually attacked by a poor excuse of a man, a Cure Zone troll, could I suggest we have a Fight Club forum, so whenever a post that is nasty, directed towards another person, argumentative to the point of vicious etc can be moved their and discussed without inflicting it on other forum members? I know other forums have one such as scoobynet.com. Trying to keep the AF forums clear of the rifraff and bad feelings..   [End]
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me so ive just been told. so I have been advised to change my user name, this is the new me with a lovely photo of my beautiful guitar. Just testing see how it works   [End]
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and many of the NB practitioners who did Wilsons online test to become one   [End]
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I remember posting about the gaba/glutamate link last year http://curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2064595#i Glad is working out for you brother. Also, another good option is Bacopa Extract- it helps regenerate and regrow brain stem receptors (all those things pharma meds like Lexapro, Ritalin, Xanax) mess up.. Ive just ordered some...the NAC was a little powerful for me last year, but now I have improved I might give it another go   [End]
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Yeah its not working for me either :( Is it a resolution thing? I am on a 1080p screen...might work better at lower resolutions?   [End]
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He also believes cancer can be cured by eating 30 bannanas a day apparently. Gotta love the crazies. Yes I think its fair to say, most keyboard warriors hide behind their anonymous numbers, it seems the only argumentative and ’messed up’ posters (apart from the fruit fairy) never post about themselves, show no photos, never get involved in friendly discussion about their lives, just direct their Hitler-esque (copper) beliefs on unsuspecting new posters hiding behind a number. Its actually a shame he exists, as this forum could be such a nicer, warmer place if it wasn’t for him. But keep ...
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I completely agree Tena, Mercury fillings have no place in the human body. I think there is a great film on youtube called The Toxic Truth or something of the like? Its cray dentists have to wear all this protective clothing to remove them, and then they go in a biohazard box, yet its apparently ok when its in your mouth? Insanity. One thing to note though is, removal of the fillings can actually give you a terrible mercury shock if not done correct, and there is a fine line between correct and not correct. Its a shame about the user above. It seems, despite all his barbaric ’deto ...
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I know your pain nursebetty...its a punishment worse than going to Guatanamo Bay for a vacation ! mine was a doctor advised cold turkey as well :( Theres also a troll on this forum who will possibly sweep in and abuse you at some point, saying benzos should just be stopped and its all in our heads so just be on the look out for him and ignore all the dangerous ’liver flush those benzos away’ advice !   [End]
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a beta blocker, although not a sleep med is a far safer choice. and it is adrenaline that is keeping you awake , not cortisol, i think you really need to address this, I know others have suggested this to you as well. high cortisol at night is awesome, makes one sleep like a baby.   [End]
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A word of warning with Mirtazapine. Remeron (mirtazapine) is an SNRI, therefore it up regulates not only serotonin but also norephinrine (adrenaline). Those in advance AF are already flooded by adrenaline due to low cortisol and the body crudely trying to compensate to keep itself alive by raising adrenaline ’Fight or flight’ activiation is adrenaline in laymans terms, and that is what AF actually is, the gas pedal being flat to the floor, so increasing this even more? You think you have energy, when actually all you are doing is living on adrenaline and depleting yourself even furth ...
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Yes if anything physically hurts, its not exactly good for you is it! :)   [End]
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When starting to use high doses of C, sometimes people do the tolerance test, Lam suggests it...basically it means to keep increasing the dose till you stomach lets go and empties all its contents...maybe you are close to the dose you can tolerate (at the moment) 3-6 is a big jump in one hit though!   [End]
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Yes, the benzo and the SSRI is potentially one of the reasons you ended up down this road, one of our forum members Ring, ended up in the same position after years of Zoloft use...it always brings the question, of what is anxiety ? It sure as hell isnt a lack of ’serotonin’ ! I think St Johns Wart is probably a good thing, but be real careful if you are on an SSRI, ive neer heard any ’ND’ claim they could be taken together, the literature, even from the natural people say dont do it. The taper is a great idea, but dont go to fast I wish I knew about tapering when my doctor made me cold ...
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Yes its easy for us to tell genuine people with AF as they dont promote those methods, which to AF’ers is like going for a day trip to Guatanamo! You are right on Tena, Unfortunately Ithat censorship is closer than you think, ill mail ya and fill you in. Yes you are right, everyone just wants to profitalise on sick people, and this is one of the worst things, especially as some of the advice these so called ’ND’s’ give out is so dangerous, how many of us got burned by then? nearly everyone! But hey ho, we keep going, and thankfully hopefully now alot more in peace without the troll( ...
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The Clonazepam is a benzodiazapine, and could possibly be the reason why you have AF, or even symptoms that mimic AF. I have been there with valium. Check out www.benzobuddies.org and see many similar stories. They dont accept AF as an illness on their, despite the fact all their symptoms are AF! :) Do you have siezures? or is it just for thr anti-anxiety effect. St Johns Wart targets serotonin receptors, so it is NOT a good idea if you are taking an SSRI, taper the SSRI first before trying St Johns Wart, that is highly irresponsonsible behaviour by that doctor - I imagine he isn ...
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Just drink a gallon of olive oil will you , with a couple of litres of coca cola and a few kilos of epson salts. Will cure ALL your ailents in one swift flush!   [End]
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I wouldn’t say vengeance, more a trickle of lonliness   [End]
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He is back already http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2144129#i He could only stay away for a few hours!   [End]
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DM Girl, both the colustrum and the digestive enzymes could be causing the upset stomach. Have you tried backing off them for a wee while just to let your system reset a little?   [End]
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They all stimulate, which is why they are calming - they increase cortisol. This is the same action as SSRI’s like Lexapro, they stimulate, therefore more cortisol is pumped out. Im learning so much about the action of these things, the pharma meds and herbs are SO similar. High cortisol rocks.   [End]
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Lam puts all this stuff in his quantmax and collegen support Tena, remember you to come off the adaptagens before you make a review, its always coming off things like that is when the problems and the damage rear their heads..   [End]
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One thing to remember, is when you are doing this barbaric procedure, the benzo you are taking, which activates (using liver enzymes) and stores in the liver at a threshold level is being flushed through rapidly. Basically, you are putting yourself straight into benzo withdrawals, which is a serious condition (look up benzo withdrawal syndrome)...youll probably notice after a few doses of your Klonipin youll start to feel better agaain. Also liver flushes are terrible on the adrenals, have a look on the AF forum and do a search for them just on the AF forum, pretty ,uch every post from ...
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Classic :) He will be back unfortunately, probably in about a week, its his normal timescale of sweeping in, attempting to upset people, then dissappearing again, the coming back again to try again. Highly amusing, but you know, keeps him off the streets! But if not, (and please god let this be real!) farewell 155216, its been...comical.   [End]
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If you have genuine hypoglycemia, carbs are tough and do need to be eaten with fat and protien to stop the sugar explosing and help the system maintain homeostatis. Carbs are essential to life, I dont think anyone can argue that, I guess thats why the Schawrbien Principle diet is successful...but like anything, its not an overnight cure, itll take time for the system to heal itself. Fruit however is a sugar explosion! I fall asleep in a horrible nightmare for two hours after eating fruit then wake up with my heart pounding and heavy shaking. Thats reactive hypoglycemia for ya. As ...
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Just to reaffirm to new users - Many of those forums will damage late stage AF’ers. Always look at previous posts by users by clicking their username, or their anonymous ’numbers’ (thats always a big alert in itself, no need to post anonymously if you are a genuine person) and look up the story and their involvement in forum discussion (and to also check that they had Adrenal Fatigue in the first place, lots of trolls unfortunately bating innocent folk, its a shame) and always use the search engine on the Adrenal Fatigue forum. For example, type in Liver Flush to the AF search on ...
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What a great link! Before taking this crap, I plead with people to check what there action is on the body. For example, Holy Basil, Ashwaganda and a few others are heavy gaba antagonists - they basically act on the same receptors in the brain as benzodiazapines like Xanax and Valium. As Benzos are pharma drugs they have been tested, and the dangers of use over a period long than two weeks is highlighted - just look up benzo withdrawal syndrome. This also goes for St Johns Wart etc, this one hits serotonin receptors similar to Lexapro, cipramil etc, again, these drugs also come wi ...
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It sounds like blood sugar is a big issue, as i mentioned about, stay off the fruit, itll spike your system big time, might feel good at the time, but i find any sugar means i will wake up after two hours with my chest pounding, sweating, super adrenaline etc...   [End]
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Awesome, i CANT wait to try them, heres my credit card details... LMAO   [End]
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It sounds like the herbs really did a number on you, its pretty common unfortunately, we are so desperate to find a cure, we try anything an ’ND’ suggests...It will iron back out on its own, but it might take a while, but accept that it may, and try not to stress Yeah a doctor will want to give you benzos, the worst thing in the world. Some docs are a little more knowledgeable, hence why a beta blocker was suggested, and I must say, even at a low dose, its very helpful, but it may take a few weeks to kick in. One thing you could try is just to spend a few days completely in bed wit ...
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Why do you post on this board 157226? Do you have AF?, none of your previous posts mention that you do, just curious like probably many others   [End]
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Hey DMgirl Its interesting how so many people believe that herbs and high dose vitamins are safe, because, there is no clinical trials done on them. If there were not any clinical trials done on pharma meds, then everyone would think they are perfect as well. But youve noticed the side effects of taking these ’adaptagens’ so at least you are savvy to it, so many people munch those things like they are sweeties..highly dangerous stuff and with absolutely no govermental vcontrol of what actually goes into those pills. I was similar, I tried herbs and preg on advice, and they put me th ...
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Try a low dose beta blocker such as Inderal (propanalol), its not a cure, but it will calm the sympathetic overtone and let you get some rest...best of all its not a nasty psych med. They can take up to two to four weeks to work properly, but youll see some relief straight away... all the herbal crap in the world wont calm a system down when its gone into mass overdrive...but pysch meds will make it far worse once you quit   [End]
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SPAM or the most pointless post ever :)   [End]
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The Lam megadosing protocol! Just do a search, its a 50/50 opinion..I still take it in small quantities because i have loads of it and my diet is limited on the C front, but the megadosing damaged me big time (like it did many others), its powerful stuff! but if you arent megadosing it might be a good idea. I prefer the ALIVE organic natural C powder...but its more expensive mg to mg   [End]
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I heard my name had been used on something factually incorrect. but looking over matters, I have to admit, its interesting to see, yet again, another single post user, drawn in to a Natway thread once again, and another low post user in defence and support of Natways insane ways. Seems very suspicious, but we shall let the lovely intelligent folk on curezone work out whats going on, its already been pointed out by one of the above many times. But hey ho, have an A1 day peeps   [End]
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Sounds like you have had a withdrawal from the Vit C, the Lipo is strong stuff and taking anything at high dose for a while then just stopping is very bad for your body, its a shock to an already weakened system. Its a crash, Lam has some good charts about crash and recovery cycle on his website, so you can measure your recovery period   [End]
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I was on Benzo Buddies, but far to much death and destruction and whining on there to be honest. Like, its traumatic and the worse pain possible, like nobody who hasnt been through it can imagine, we know this, but people need to get a grip a little! And some of the healing suggestions I here on there are even more wacky than those of here :) Yeah avoid any glandulars definitely, and the Asha is a big no, hopefully youll get on fine with the other supps, keep me posted let me know how they work out   [End]
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Ill be 13 months on February 1st, still fairly acute, occasional windows but nothing of any significance :( The Dremanin definitely did a number on me as it took me a couple of months to recover from the wave it put me in...   [End]
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All I can sya Shelly is us benzos victims are paradoxical, my hair test is similar to yours, although sodium has dropped on mine recently. Just some observations I found with supps... 1/4 tab of dremanin sent me through the roof for days And no benzo victim should take Ashwagandha - its a direct gaba antagonist - you know, hits the receptors we are trying to heal! Typical ’practitioner’ who dosen’t actually take into account a persons personal situation, just a set of ’ratios’ or hasnt studied pharmacology etc But I gave you the link to your test if you reply in there with ...
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See above :) http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2141044#i They are pretty good results I must say   [End]
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PM’d you my email addy hon   [End]
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If you want to either send me them, or send me the URL to the photobucket upload, I can put them on here for you   [End]
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Hi Shelly, Upload the photo of your graph to an online server provider such as Photobucket, then use the TINYMCE editor above to post your curezone post, and hit the image button - it will ask for the URL of your photobucket image. Just pop it in and itll do the rest. (the image button looks like a mountain) Im curious to see yours being a fellow benzo victim! we might be able to see a trend in ours...   [End]
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Thats actually highly inaccurate. High adrenaline means extremely low cortisol, eating carbs with high adrenaline is like fueling a fire that is already in overdrive.   [End]
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Post edited by a moderator. Challenge the message and not the messenger! The first person to resort to name calling and personal attacks automatically loses the debate Just a quick one for anyone reading this thread - always check the posters previous posts by clicking their user names, you will find anyone thast agrees with an 80/10/10 diet when dealing with a serious health condition such as AF, generally doesen’t have any history or any previous posts and question the validity of the posters claims - it is common for certain users to ’create’ false user names to show support for the ...
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Only to you, because your entertaining yourself by trolling a forum for poorly people. Bless you and your cotton socks, mother must be out for the night :) but keep talking your entertaining me (and others) considerably. Takes a special kind of person to be like you. :)   [End]
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TROLL Alert.   [End]
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How about that person you pestered through the PM’s who got type 2 diabetes from your diet plan, you know the one who worked with Dr Graham and them Dr Dr mcdougal directly, even spending time in Costa Rica with Graham? Boom.   [End]
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My last reply was removed by the webmaster because it catagorically exposed this man as a deceitful, hurtful person who is intent on damaging people and causing distress to people on not only the AF forum but also the entirity of Curezone. It outlined his attempt at spin doctoring his words (which he lacks the intelligence to do it correctly) but others will of seen it, and they know exactly who this person is. Everytime he opens his mouth, his words do more damage to himself than anyone else, its quite amusing. This is the type of man we are dealing with Faith, its actually quite l ...
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It was absolutely bizzarre, some days it was extremely calming i could barely lift my head, some days it would be amping me up like no end...but the THIRST was there..but if it makes you tired, I would class that as a good thing. Especially as you said you have high cortisol....invoking a parasympathetic state is always a good thing in AF? I took D-Ribose as part of Dr Lams protocol, Dr Myhill uses it in her CFS protocol, so must be something good in it. But its not really about what we take, its when we take it, thats the tough bit to figure out.   [End]
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Remember my post? thats exactly what it did to me! I think you might find it has completely crashed you...when you stop taking it you will see the damage :( it peps you up, but when those symptoms appear, its a crash being masked...well it was in my case, hopefully not in yours! ASI tests are on a whole quite innaccurate on a day to day   [End]
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Dude, you’ve got some skitzo behaviour going on swapping between accounts and posting under both! Might help your head to delete one of them ;)   [End]
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I have never once commented that aiding a deotxification on ones liver is a bad thing, but you seem to think that it is suitable for people with extreme AF, and its not. As you want to through hypothetical ’friends’ into the mix, well i have two friends who ended up in hospital after doing liver flushes and I know MANY more. A detox from optiates such as heroin is actually the most short recovery, and it is well documented , hell for weeks, then normality, a very different kettle of fish to anti depressants and anti anxiety pills. All these people you talk of great success there are ...
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The second one has absolutely no idea of nutrition and is a complete Wilson follower, with limited knowledge, just what he knows from doing his ’online test’ to become an ’nb’ practitioner - I’m in the UK too buddy. Dont know the earlier one, but did notice them when i was doijng NB earlier this year.   [End]
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Welcome! its good you are up for a laugh, many on here are too miserable to have a giggle at our plights :) So join in and say some silly things, hopefully the trolls wont beat you down! CZ is a pain to grasp at the start, took me ages to figure out how i could read the entire thread all at once! but persevere....ah another dysautonomiac, be warned, stay clear of the liver flush brigade! Its not for us dysautonomiacs :)   [End]
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look up pharmacological drugs, and the way they operate and manipulate many systems. I do not defend medications but you have to respect them because they are powerful. and my insomnia problems are not caused or made better by such medications because I for one have a real medical condition which effects sleep, not just a made up one ;) but enjoy your world buddy. Cant wait for the day when we finally get to meet up. To the OP, what he is asking you to do is a ’cold turkey’ detox, and one that is even more brutal that just ’stopping’ the meds, he is asking you to immensly slam them out ...
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Be very careful listening to the advice from the troll above, he will put you in hopsital very fast. Do not cleanse while taking medications that require liver enzymes to metabolize, you will put yourself into immediately withdrawals and stress your already drained system out. If you wish to do such a thing, then you need to withdraw off your medication extremely slowly over time, rebuild your basic reserve. But whats best is if you look up liver flush on the AF forum only and see the tens of posts about people who severely crashed themselves from doing it. Better than just listening ...
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Doexpin is hell to withdraw from, contributed massively to my late stage AF. Might seem like a crutch at the time, but it will, like many other pharma sleep meds, send you down a dark path. Look up Dox or Sinnequin withdrawals. btw, if adrenaline and anxiety is waking you at 4am, lowering cortisol is actually the opposite of what you want to do - low cortisol = increased adrenaline...and it is probably blood sugar related due to low cortisol not being abnle to keep it balanced through your sleep   [End]
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I think I might email Lam and ask for him to start his Lipo Coma, im totally up for being the guinea pig :) Jerry, Meryl and Madge? Thats quite an A list! Come on, get your photos out. For the computer screen, download FLUX - its free, and on sunset it automatically takes out of the daylight colours from your screen (blues and whites), makes it a warm red colour, and really helps with using the computer before bed to mimic natural rythmn. . I sometimes have it on in the day as well just cause it looks nicer and warmer ) I have tried the 8 hour meditation, its tough though as I hav ...
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Go to my dentist, £300 and removed 12 mercury ones and replaced them with composites - fiddled the NHS so that it looked like I was just getting white fillings and not the removal, £1600 worth of work for £300 notes, and she used the dental dam, and tonnes of vacuums etc Necked tonnes of charcoal and collodial silver...never saw mercury on a hair test but didnt feel any better or worse afterwards.   [End]
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Ive been trying that for almost a year, still hasnt calmed down! Ill keep going. but yeah punching pillows, screaming, crying, pacing around the house like a madman, being shattered but going for a long walk just to stop the adrenaline with my mind going haywire...I want the slumber state! I would actually love that sooooooo much, its been years. God, I used to sleep loads, wake up, smoke a joint, and go back to sleep for another three or four hours, now im lucky to get 3 hours sleep a night. However,niether of us should be on the computer this late at night :) You know, if Lam coul ...
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The rocket is not fun Bec, you totally dont want it! Panic, painful two hour long adrenaline surging, anxiety every single morning...then all of a sudden it calms down and most afternoons are more peaceful. Proper insane. I think we should just pay some middle eastern doctor to put us into medically induced comas for twelve months, our bodies will fix themselves up nicely with nice IV dripped nutrients and food, no stress, no hassle, just a big ass sleep! Its such a good idea. I reckon it might be Dr Lams next stratgegy :)   [End]
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God, I wake up like I have a rocket up my backside, that lasts to about 12.30, then I crash. Every day for a year! but according to my hair test I have hypothyroidism.   [End]
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That is a heavy cocktail of meds, SNRI and an SSRI, which could contribute to a racing mind. Normally we find in AF, low cortisol causes high adrenaline, and this is the racing mind and body. Chemically you can help treat it with beta blockers and melatonin at night (dont take melatonin with SNRI’s or SSRI’s), or you can treat yourself hollistically over time building your adrenal system, making it function better and thus allowing a flow of good level of cortisol. This dosent happen overnight, so the nutrients you are taking are a good choice combined with meditation, yoga etc but it c ...
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Well it lowers blood pressure (thought not severely in my case) and reduces the effects of adrenaline on the body. Therefore, it reduces physical reactions and symptoms due to an over dominant sympathetic nervous system, this in turn allows the body to rest for longer periods of time and help you stop being ’reactive’ to EVERYTHING! (you know the drill). Not being a brain drug means they dont have a severe effect on mental distress, but if your body is feeling chilled, then your brain eventually adapts to the feeling chilled - hence why they have been used successfully to treat PTSD The ...
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I found herbs just as detrimental...i was hooked on valarian to sleep for a year, messed my brain up big time (valerian - gaba receptors, shaswagand - gaba receptors St Johns Water - Seretonin receptors) just because its a herb dosent mean its safe. Obviously a beta blocker (beta receptors, but some hit the alpha receptors too)isnt great as its chemical, but I definitely think its a better choice than ssris and benzos. Ok so its not AS effective but it does a job...propanalol is the most commonly used one, 3 x 40mg a day...but they do a slow release 80mg one that might be better...give ...
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Haha maybe for AF, but i have Dysautonomia, POTs and AF, so I might be stuck for life :) I would love just to have AF!   [End]
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Dude, have you ever thought about Beta Blockers like Propanalol? Nowhere near as harmful as SSRI\s, but might get the help you need from them..they are used in anxiety, PTSD, dysautonomia (adrenaline, HPA dysfunction) Hyperadregenic POTS etc   [End]
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Not in the slightest, I just like teasing Shay and her crisp obsession but ’fried’ ? that does seem quite apt for me, thats my new new. Fried Generation. Love it. :)   [End]
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There will be a book one day. Chronically Shannon ’ How Crisps Saved My Life’   [End]
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On here, I hear you talking about potatoes and chips in my sleep, EVERY NIGHT.   [End]
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Traz is a high cortisol drug as it has adrenegernic properties, take it with prodominently low cortisol and boom, its like being ran over with a steam train!   [End]
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Faiths on about potatoes, Feos talking heavy metals, wiredgenerations lab ratting himself again...and Sherpa is probably off doing some power yoga somewhere. Nothing changes really :)   [End]
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Trust me before I put anything inside me these days I research it for weeks, days, hours, before trying it :) I have read /rays page, he is a bit of a scaremongerer when it comes to hormones, but possibly with good reason :) Its crazy as some folk on here got up to 50-80mg! my god, id be dead at that amount, my heart would explode!   [End]
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YEs its reall interesting, I had an ASI test, and my cortisol was high in the morning and then plummeted. adjusted my preg to later in the day only to compensate, but same thing happened, hyper, heart palps, blood shot eyes. It was a bit crappy as it started off so promising...there is the potential that i overdid it on the days i started taking it because it did pick me up, so may try a small 1.2mg dose again next week. But I am a abnormal case becuase im only a year out of a cold turkey benzo detox, and pretty much everything reacts with me. The wierdest thing, never in my time of AF ...
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Can I ask a question, do you or have you ever had late stage AF? You are beginining to sound a bit like our friend Natway, he never had AF but claims it dosen’t exist and fruit is the answer. I think you need to some reading of the physiological effects and state of the body when under extreme duress and AF. Unfortunately you are basing your opinion on a thought and a mythical theory centuries old when conditions like AF were far more rare, if they existed at all. Also not taking into account the physiological state of an AF body. This is unfortunately why a lot of ’alternative pract ...
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I see your point, however you are missing the fact that fruits, and carbs require insulin to balance the sugar that they either contain or are converted to, this requires adrenal action, therefore the foods you suggest are also highly stimulatory, fruit being the ultimate in stimulation, which is far worse to an AF ridden body than taking large amounts of energy to digest meat - however the plus side of this is sustained blood sugar for longer periods of time, which is prefable in AF. I have never heard anyone who got better from advanced AF with a fruit diet. I do think CFS, which i be ...
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Thanks for replying PP, Yeah i looked through everything I could of hear and the web abot Preg - it seems that pretty much everyone who ’recovered’ used preg and some point or another, like a 90/10 ratio for those that did. Hence my thinking. It is a always a dangerous game supplementing with hormones, and although I agree that the full hormone panel would be beneficial, (the ones I have had done with the endo are all in range reasonably well) the dark art of AF and its treatment means that things such as ’preg steal’ etc if it exists, may not show up. I was thinking that possibl ...
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One thing to remember, is that if a system is over stimulated, it is actually possible and most likely to have low cortisol issues to blame. The body releases adrenaline in an attempt to maintain normality, therefore causing the continual ’over stimulation’ - living on adrenaline 24/7 isnt comfortable. The idea behind glandulars is that they maintain a level of stimulation making cortisol be release (therefore reducing adrenaline), while contributing to tissue structure to create a ’linear’ pathway of energy while providing so called ’healing’ elements. But yes I now find them far too s ...
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So I began preg about ten days ago, mainly because i HAD to go my brothers wedding, I was already in a terrible crash already and thought it was better than cocaine (joke). I took 10mg that day steadily throughout the day in a bottle of vitamin C water, got me through ok. Carried on taking 1.4mg 3 times a day (1 drop of bio Matrix liquid preg)., I attempted a ’holiday’ for a day, and had the worse heart palpitations and fearpanic attacks. So I started back on it. The last couple of days every time I take a dose of preg my stomach decides it wants to empty its entire contents - isnt ...
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This is how it all started for me years go, no problem falling asleep at 10pm and waking at 3am....four years later, still a problem. I would stop looking towards cortisol and look at adrenaline more...3am wakening, ts a very common complaint. It seems you are just starting the process of trying to figure it out, and youll find that there generally isnt an overnight cure with a pill or a potion, i spent years thinking there would be and mixing up millions of different herbs of pharma meds to try and get some sleep, I feel this was the problem why I am in a worse state now than I ever w ...
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I mean this with all sincerity, and possibly as I may of misread something! but your theory is one that has already been voiced by nearly every Md (who believes) and ND, Dr Lam, the original Dr Wilson etc. Overstimulation was the problem to AF. Stress - be it physical or mental stress = stimulation prolonged stimulation without rest = system adapts to cope System coping turns into permanently ON system fatigue and increase in dysfunction through failing ill health - HPA goes haywire trying to cope under confusion Broken People. No balance, endocrine system messed up. Its all abou ...
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You almost made me chuckle there :)   [End]
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For some reason I cant post on thread below, but I did write PurplePixie, its really interesting what you said about the high T - low C. When all this started for me, my ASI test showed extremely flat line cortisol, but my 9am endocrinoogist testing was ’in range’, however my T was very high, and this was something they concentrated on. My sex drive was through the roof, I was quite the all nighter! but I say they concentrated, they did nothing, just plenty of pysch meds as they never once mentioned a link with fatigue, aggression and insomnia with high T...eventually after MRIs and ...
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Do Not whatever you do take a Benzo, it will destroy your life - you think your sick now? when you hit tolerance or come off them you will be in a state of hell worse than you can possibly imagine! SSRI’s have been discussed many a time. I think in the earlier stages, alot of us could of avoided late stage AF from taking meds, however the downside is, SSRI’s enhance cortisol production - in fact studies show that cortisol can be doubled by a small 5mg Lexapro dose. I measured this recently and my morning cortisol, normally low, went bezerk (ASI test). The problem is, that the draw on th ...
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Not to mention a lovely chunk of serotonin!   [End]
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I find Seriphos helped a little at first for mood (it enhances dopamine) and I was munching 10 pills a day due to a benzo withdrawal, however now, it calms everything down for around two hours and then everything flares up again ten fold as soon as it wears off worse than before I took it , which makes sense as the PR board people have the same experience. So I have to avoid it. As with everything, and as seattle said, try it for a while, its about trial and error. It wont do any long term harm if your system dosent like it. I am a hater of anyything that messes directly with neurochem ...
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Happy Christmas Y’all Dont get too miserable by not be able to eat all of the chocolate, or worrying about histamine levels in christmas dinner, or by watching the world go by from under the duvet or the chaos of visitors and cheer making your head swirl. Its only once a year, and next year, things are going to be good, and we will be well and healthy and eating all of the food.! and always remember,      [End]
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Do you ever get bored Dez? Practically everyone with AF takes high amounts of Vitamin C (by the way Asorbic Acid is actually synthetic), theres no need to keep saying it :)   [End]
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Hi Bromee Those substances are part of Dr Lams Quantumax and Collegen support supplements, that he includes with his standard ’one size fits all’ programme along with Lipo C, Lipo G, Pantethine (Pandrenal) and C Support, therefore if they make you feel good, then they are probably a good thing. His programmes generally last 1-2 years, so I would imagine you would be looking at a six month miminum stay - I think the best way to judge it is that if you are starting to feel much better, and the bad days are becoming less and less then your healing is happening. I am really suprised ...
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http://www.foodmatters.tv/articles-1/how-to-tell-if-a-vitamin-is-natural-or-synthetic Thought this was an interesting read considering how many of us force feed ourselves synthetic ’vitamins’   [End]
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Ive used the Alive vitamin C brand, but it was just too expensive for me, trying to dunk 5 grammes of that a day ended up costing over $50 a week (its expensive in the UK) I know faith has found some good natural vitamins...some use Standard Process, which arent entirely natural but are closed to it than all the synthetic gunk. Have you found a B range of natural vitamins? What are they? My link in the above thread gives some help in how to identify synthetic   [End]
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And I prefer solid Science when doing things for my health. but then you say you have leaky gut - not scientifically proven whatsoever :) I think that you can eat a high carb diet that you adrenal health is actually quite good, I have taken a massive step back after experimenting with yes, the silly NB supplements from TEI and now I am completely carb intolerant again. NB should be avoided at all costs imo.   [End]
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True, and yes in Natways case, I am sure that is true. However my intentions are for the protection of those with extreme ill health. You obviously have not encountered this, or the wrath of Natway when a person asks for help. However I need not to discuss further with you, the mods have decided not to proceed with my complaint, and I accept that. Enjoy good health people :)   [End]
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Thankyou. Yes I would be awesome. People need control. LMAO. ’Whatever Natway’s intentions are seem to be working’ That statement dosent make any logical sense though?   [End]
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I would make a fantastic moderator, I assure you. :) And trolling isnt neccesarily an insult, when it is the truth. Hitler was a dictator, because he dictated. Natway is a troll, because he trolls. Simples.   [End]
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True, but then surely this is a democracy, so if there are enough votes, he could be removed and his ISP blocked? But true, I think the moderators should of dealt with it in a different manner other than creating his own corner, as it dosent stop him trolling others.   [End]
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but do you own an Ipod Tena? Cause if you do, all your thoughts and your whole life have no meaning :)   [End]
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Faith sent me that, definitely interesting stuff. I think its tough to wonder where the evolution of our systems got left behind. I know my grandad slept like those patterns in the article all his life (apart from war time obviously) and was very rarely stressed and never got sick. Our day in age is something so much different to when were kids, its like a continual information highway at warpseed, but do we notice this more because we are sick and therefore cannot cope? Its a tough one.   [End]
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Its really nice to see you actually make some points finally about your own history, although they arent anything direct or personal, so could just be some cut and paste but ill give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend it is true. But Just a few quick points about some of your drivel - Do not award yourself with my benzo suffering, you are clinically insane LMAO.I know all to better not to listen to a troll on a forum with no history. Wherever in your mind did you conjure up that belief?? My lovely MD took that title. So Wrong point number 1. - As explained to you countless ...
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I think it is to fill their own lives with a sense of ’purpose’ (even if in deceit). I think they fall out of the system - i,e they need pyschiatric help but have fell through the cracks and ended up on their own in public, thank god we probably not live near them :) Check out some of the responses to the posters previous posts, Faith and Amber give him some awesome take downs! Hawkesfans one was the best ’You are kind of like the dude that shows up to the party, eats all the food, doesn’t say hi to anyone, then leaves’   [End]
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Its come to my attention, that Natway, is now contacting all new posters to the AF and NB forums (the ones he is banned from) and causing much distress, and potentially damage with his high carb rantings. One poster, a former 80/10/10 follower who ended up with Type 2 Diabetes from the diet, was harassed by no less than ten emails from Natway, despite after explaining that it was that same diet that led her to ill health. Another new user, a benzo victim has also been contacted - high carb after a benzo pharma detox is one of the most painful things a person can do, in fact high sugar a ...
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Hi Shelly *hugs* Another benzo victim - I am too, with exactly the same array o symptoms (now lasting over a year since the last benzo and AD). Be very careful with these practitioners - I was harmed twice by them , as you said, they have absolutely no concept of a benzo victims state. I react to all supplements heavily, and the last NB practitioner I ended up in hospital (wilson approved practitioner) and im still ’coming down’ off a glandular they gave me. Interview the practitioner, dont give away an answers and see if they understand the condition. But remember, these practiti ...
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Agreed, there is no way to fully tell when your cortisol is high or low per day, you could think its high, when in fact, it could be low and adrenaline is high.   [End]
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Mag oil drastically reduces sodium - anyone with proper AF cant retain sodium, so its a big no no on its own...its a crash waiting to happen to those in late stage AF. an dont take the lithium! let your system have a break! :)   [End]
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Hhah Carbmaster, love it. How about Bannanaboy, Fruit Loop? Oh it could go on for hours. :) If you dick hurts, bosh one out for gods sake! :P   [End]
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I agree with the C, however magnesium isnt tolerated by those in severe AF, and most calcium is not ideal..b complexs and even b5 are extremely stimulating...if you do for it, start LOW and SLOW! Yes benzos are probably what has messed up your HPA axis, the AF I had before benzos, what I know now, could of been dealt with so much easier and quicker. Have you not had a cortisol test yet? Also see if your real doctor (not a makebelieve ’naturpath’) do a 24 hours catacheomile test, it will measure thinks like norephirine (adrenaline), dopamine, cortisol etc over a 24 hour period. My cor ...
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Dude, you have every dysfunction thats listed in the dysfunction catalogue :) I reckon the webmasters must have a right old giggle at the fruity one, but you know, I do admire his perseverance, although it is somewhat mental behaviour. Just go away and do something else in life surely? :)   [End]
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Do you know 110 percent that you have high cortisol at night? maybe 3-4 saliva tests over different days in a month? (hormone levels change daily so never trust a single test) If not, you might find you actually have high adrenaline and low cortisol, meaning taking Seriphos to lower cortisol when cortisol is low will increase adrenaline, and boom, more wired. Low cortisol/high adrenaline and high cortisol mimic each other symptom wise, for years I thought I was high cortisol, but I wasnt. Adrenaline is the bigger problem in later stage AF. Oh and dont take beta blockers at night, ...
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Oh completely, I dont like bad grammar or spelling, but my first attempt always have both, two degrees and I still cant spell. Pathetic. Then I also realise I can reword things to make it better. No real cogntive delay, just the want for perfection.....AF - the perfectionists disease :) Wow, you got a response from a webmaster, you should let Natway know, he has been whining for months now that they dont reply to him LMAO Hows the manhood? :)   [End]
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Stop flapping your manhood around like a lollypop, you did what? How are the penile enlargement exercises going buddy? I was meaning to ask, Why did you change your username btw?   [End]
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Would it not be better to ask the Lab you are working with?   [End]
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Hi Smitho, We have looked into Dr Heinrich, I know Pat has spoken directly to them at legnth...but he uses sheep stem cells and not the persons own stem cells into the area required. He is also more of a natural approach and not something that has been well researched like real clinical stem cell approaches. However in saying that, there have been some reviews of peoples CFS being helped by sheep cells...but personally, id like my own stem cells rather than a sheep, and thats why we are talking to hospitals specialising in actual human stem cell replacements. Its exciting stuff and ...
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Ah I remember I spent much time explaining to you the use of Seriphos with high cortisol and how to dose, and other measures like vitamin C and cortisol lowering herbs and methods inc meditation and yoga.. then you dissapeared without even saying thankyou :) and now come back asking the same question?!   [End]
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Thanks for your thoughts bud, I remember you saying you had success with it, and thanks for all the info, appreciated. Yes, the 2.5mg liquid does take the edge off the crash but only for a few hours, maybe a larger dose might work,or double dosing and 2.5mg daily for a while, with a couple of days holiday a week. I have tabs, but im finding the liquid stuff the most gentle. I need to try and find some way to stabalise longer, and the as soon as I do anything physical, even as simple as walking a bit to far crashing me back to square one and a few days of hell, so thinking this might ...
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