i understand perfectly what you are saying. i think i got it the first time. did you take the epsom salts that night? i still think what happened to you is that more stones kept moving up after each flush, and this is what was the cause of your pain. i think the relief you experienced was not because of the coating effect of the oil, but because you were flushing stones. i am fairly intimate with the effects of alot of fats. in point of fact, cold pressed olive oil, is more of a cleanser than a substance that will soothe. raw butter and raw animal fats have a soothing eff ...
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i posted our debate in the oxyplus list. (i didnt use your name) there are some very intelligent people there. i asked for help in proving my point, or for information to disprove what i have said. i also asked the chiropractor i mentioned about your experience with pain after flushes. i am very curious, because as i said before, he made a bold claim that everything should pass without serious problems if you use the epsom salts. i will get back to you with his response. or... you can join oxyplus for a few days and hear some intelligent commentary. concrete evidence is usually poste ...
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sorry to be a pain in the butt... but how do you know this. can you site a study, a book, research paper, person, or anything concrete, or are you just assuming this has been done.   [End]
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Do i think pathologists examine every part of the liver when they find stones in the gall bladder? i don’t know Barry, but it seems to me that your logic falls apart right here. this is exactly why i asked that question. the issue is: do livers get cut into tiny sections during autopsy. i doubt it. aside from this point, we seem to agree on everything. but this is a HUGE point in the context of our dialog and an extremely important point to clarify for people on both sides of the debate. i think you are turning a blind eye to the question i have raised. you certainly have that right. ...
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from what you posted in a previous thread, the flushes were unsuccessful in stopping your pain. you said that after each flush the pain did not go away or was worse. to me this means it was unsuccessful. and it challenges what the person i mentioned told me. i am inclined to believe you. if there are others who have had the same problem then i am curious about their story as well. what this person claimed was that he never experienced a serious problem with his clients. yours was a serious problem as you went under the knife. i have experieneced problems with the flushes but not that ...
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this is interesting. the man who turned me onto this cleanse is a d.c. in vancouver. he claims that in thousands of people he has never encountered a single serious problem. apparently your experience is different from his claim. i would like to check into this with him because he seems to have given me only good advice so far. well, let’s be scientific about this. please describe in detail the exact procedure used in these autopsies you talk about. if they don’t actually cut open the liver into tiny pieces and examine every square inch, then there is a flaw in the autops ...
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how much epsom salts were you using in the flush? dieting is a VAST subject. strict does not necessarily mean good. losing weight does not necessarily mean good either. i have been studying diet for over a decade, and still i know very little. last year i learned alot about raw foods, raw animal products and raw fats. i think this is what prompted my liver cleansing don’t get me wrong, i am not at all faulting you for havign your gall bladder removed. you did what you had to do. i have no idea what i would have done in your shoes. that said, i still feel that your l ...
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sorry about misquoting you about the fluke. i guess i got my posters mixed up. i have never ben in actual pain. i have experienced alot of bloating and constipation. i came upon these flushes in my search for curing chronic fatigue. in my early 20’s i took antibiotics for 9 months thus destroying my intestinal tract. thank you modern medicine. i am older and wiser now. but not well yet. over the past 8 years i have passed approximately 100 pounds of waste from my colon and countless parasites along the way. at a certain point, i came to the realization that all of my bloating w ...
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i was an unveliever like yourself for a long time. many many people told me this was b.s. including doctors and some heavy alternatve practitioners. the truth is self-evident after you have done a bunch of these flushes. the stones simply are not formed in the small intestine, not formed in the colon, not caused by a reaction of the oil with the epsom salts. thre is a man on the oxyplus list who has administered THOUSANDS of these cleanses to his clients. if you want to go there and try to find flaws in his logic, go ahead. you will then see the truth. the body stretches all ov ...
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Subject: [gallstones] fluke barry made a comment about hulda clark’s information being innacurate regarding intestinal fluke. something to the extent that they are only from asia. paraphrase-- do i have this right? i have never been to asia, and have passed hundreds of intestinal flukes. along with hundreds of ascaris. some of them over 2 feet in length. i do think that alot of dr clark’s assumptions are b.s. concering the presence of parasites. my health is not improved after the passing of these parasites. so i think she has it wrong about them being the cause of disease. rather ...
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Subject: [gallstones] fluke barry made a comment about hulda clark’s information being innacurate regarding intestinal fluke. something to the extent that they are only from asia. paraphrase-- do i have this right? i have never been to asia, and have passed hundreds of intestinal flukes. along with hundreds of ascaris. some of them over 2 feet in length. i do think that alot of dr clark’s assumptions are b.s. concering the presence of parasites. my health is not improved after the passing of these parasites. so i think she has it wrong about them being the cause of disease. rather ...
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Subject: [gallstones] fluke barry made a comment about hulda clark’s information being innacurate regarding intestinal fluke. something to the extent that they are only from asia. paraphrase-- do i have this right? i have never been to asia, and have passed hundreds of intestinal flukes. along with hundreds of ascaris. some of them over 2 feet in length. i do think that alot of dr clark’s assumptions are b.s. concering the presence of parasites. my health is not improved after the passing of these parasites. so i think she has it wrong about them being the cause of disease. rather ...
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i had my fillings out years ago. never had root canals. other sources of mercury are vaccinations and the thermometer that broke in my mouth as a child. from what i understand, dental mercury pales in comparison to the mercury in vaccinations. i have tried andy cutlers chelation protocol, and definitely noticed something going on, so i am inclined to believe that mercury is a part of a my problem. getting it out is another story. the other thing that seems to do something is a small amount of squash juice mixed with other vegetable juice. hopefully the liver flushes will enable the liver ...
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i’ve had ultrasound and mri done on my liver. none showed any stones. meanwhile i passed about 800 over the past three weeks.   [End]
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you people here who are trusting the medical tests are kidding yourselves. i have had ultrasounds and mri of my liver and gall bladder. no problems showed up. i have done 14 cleanses and passed copious amounts of all sorts of stones. hard ones, soft ones, black, green. the scenario barry indicates about the calcium stones being formed in the gall bladder sounds like utter rubbish. the likely scenario is that the flush stones as he calls them, have just been sitting in the gall bladder for too long and then harden. occam’s razor. this idea of heredity too must be questioned. first lo ...
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good post jonathan the spleen has been on my mind as i have some swelling in that area. i think i need to finish the liver flushes before heading into that area. pork is supposed to be good for the spleen according to tcm. i would like to have contact with you when my liver is cleaned out. i’m still passing large stones.   [End]
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I have to take things that hulda clark says with a grain of salt. While it might be true that bacteria are inside stones, bacteria are also ever-present in our bodies. they are also ever-present on this planet. I am not a disbeliever in flushes or that parasites are very common. just a skeptic when it comes to her deductive process.   [End]
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i’ll check out normal walkers books on your recommendation. man, if you could get me running at ALL i will build a shrine to you. i have been dealing with debilitating chronic fatigue for many years. i have tried ALOT of different things over the years. i have my own colon cleanse method that works well... raw animal products seem to be the most cleansing of anything i have tried. especially raw eggs. i know it’s controversial, be that as it may. i’ve passed over 100 pounds of debris from my intestines over the past years. but to no benefit in my energy level. i am probably dealing wi ...
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Thanks for the suggestions agnes. i will try juicing the dandelion and burdock. i am well aware that the epsom salts can be very depleting which is why i posted the message in the first place. as far as developing serious health problems, i already have them. i have done as many as three or four back to back, and then juiced the following day. now i’m doing 2 or three back to back. after a day of eating lots of soup and juices i feel my strength return so i am being very careful in that regard. back to my original post, i feel large stones move to block the duct the day after each c ...
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i am doing the clark liver cleanses. i have done 13 so far-- 8 in the past two weeks. i started doing them back to back because i was getting enormous stones out. i think now that the clogged liver is a big part of my health problems. my problem is that i do not feel well if i am NOT doing the cleanses. i feel like i need to do them every day. the only problem is that the epsom salts are very depleting. when i try to eat to recover my strength, all my old problems come back worse than ever since there are more stones blocking the duct. i guess this is good since i am on my ...
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