The amino acids l-lysine 2000mg and l-arginine 2000mg taken together first thing in the morning did the trick for me; acts like a benzo but without the nasty side effects. Ive tried lots of things that showed some promise at the start only for the effects to fizzle out after a while. Also great for copper dumps. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16117182   [End]
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Thank you both for your suggestions. This is kind of weird but the hemorrhoid has almost disappeared overnight by itself. Perhaps it was just caused by the constipation which has now been relieved, who knows..If it returns I will definitely try your ideas, though have never heard of ozonated olive oil, sounds like something you might bring on a trip into outer space!   [End]
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Thats really interesting, thanks for the info. I will look into that thank you :) Im seeing my doctor tomorrow, I want to get the result of a liver function test I had last week and possibly have my vitamin A level tested too. Im wondering whether a blood test would accurately reveal an elevated vitamin A level/toxicity. Hoping good ole google will enlighten me ;)   [End]
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”Physical illnesses can masquerade as emotional disorders. Before filling that prescription, find out what the real problem is” I totally agree. My problems were purely physical but manifested(largely) in emotional symptoms. What really put the nail in the coffin with regard to my diagnosis was the fact that both my dad and sister are actually bipolar. I have no idea whether their illnesses are due to adrenalfatigue/copper(they have absolutely no interest in following an alternative route, I suppose they are medically institutionalized at this stage). Would be interesting to find out t ...
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My symptoms were all over the place at one time too, can be very difficult to pin it down as you say. You could try it but if you become more tired instead of energised, I would try preg instead. Might be an idea to have both on hand. I juggled my symptoms for years and from time to time even now, when stress has been high/doing too much. No the meds were awful, actually made me worse. Its funny that I was only diagnosed bipolar *after* I was put on meds(antidepressants, mood stabilizers and antipsychotics). I still take a small amount of seroquel(as a sleep aid). Have been on it for y ...
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Hi I wouldnt recommend those supplements for a low cortisol state, they have proven in studies to lower cortisol so you may actually end up worse. If you have low cortisol pregnenolone is great. Source naturals sublingual is the best Ive tried, works very quickly to boost energy, mood etc. I think it would be best for you to determine which state you are currently in first in order to determine the best course of treatment. Yeah I was diagnosed bipolar five years ago, spent a couple of years on pretty heavy meds too. Im off those meds about 3 years now and no longer meet any of ...
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Yes I have used benzos in the past. Xanax was the only thing that used to get me through the day when I was at my worst. I found that a combination of the amino acids l-arginine and l-lysine work just like a benzo but better(no sedation, mood elevation also). It is THE best thing that I found to counteract a raging high cortisol. I took 1,000mg of each literally first thing in the morning when I woke up which nipped the anxiety feeling in the bud before it even had a chance to start. When the anxiety was bad I found that I sometimes needed a top up of the same amount around noon. This work ...
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Ive been thinking today, not much else you can do when confined to the toilet! Ive been using topical retin a cream off an on for the past month or so to treat some pigmentation marks left over by my years of chronic bacne. I have read that retin a can affect liver functioning and I have noticed that my stools have gone from a dark brown to much paler in recent weeks. God am i poisoning my liver in the pursuit of vanity?!   [End]
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I should also mention that I was using some hydrocortisone cream for a period of a couple of weeks to treat a type of boil that erupted on my skin.   [End]
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Ok Im not sure which forum Im supposed to post this in. Just hoping someone can offer some advice?? Have been eating a lot of spicy food lately which I think may have caused it, I had a similar issue about five years ago which coincided with my eating a lot of spicy foods. I have also had a stressful two weeks, overtime at work, moving place etc etc. I have just finished a eound of antibiotic treatment(cipro) for a bacterial stomach infection which has played havoc with my bowels, intermittent diarrhoea and constipation. Im currently dealing with the constipation side of things. Sorr ...
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I found out about copper toxicity when researching my condition some five years ago. I had pretty much every symptom listed. I had a series of hair tests which indicated copper toxicity(biounavailable copper to be precise). I also found an integrative doctor here in Ireland who tested copper levels via blood testing which doubly confirmed the condition. I did nutritional balancing for a couple of years but my progress though consistent was slow. Thats when I pretty much took things into my own hands and have been self treating ever since(while getting copper levels checked every couple of ...
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Spence Its just a suggestion. I personally know a number of people who have thrived on raw dairy products who were suffering with debilitating conditions and could not stomach much else, apart from broth. Changed their lives for the better. The Weston Price foundation is also a proponent of raw dairy products.   [End]
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Hi Sypher, I just read your post and I felt compelled to reply. Taking those pictures must have taken some guts.. I suffered with bacne for most of my life too, horrendous condition, almost as bad as yours but without pitted scarring(thank the lord). Mine was directly related to copper toxicity. Since getting my copper under control, my bacne has disappeared. Since you say you have liver issues, copper is likely to be a problem for you(amongst other things Im sure). You say you are unable to tolerate many supplements but have you tried focusing on your diet much? I know you also said ...
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Resistance stage, yeah that makes sense. Its been a while since Ive studied hair analysis, might need to brush up on it a bit. If you are low cortisol pregnenolone is miraculous but make sure you actually are in this stage before you try preg. I used it during a high cortisol state once and never again!! My anxiety went through the roof. Best form of preg, from what I have found, is sublingual form. Source Naturals are pretty cheap and importantly effective, Ive tried other brands and formulations and the effect just isnt the same. Sublingual as opposed to tablet form as it bypasses an alr ...
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Your calcium isnt too bad at all, anything above 70 for calcium indicates copper toxicity. This might put it in perspective for you, my calcium level was over 600!! Yeah I had it bad, off the charts high. Your sodium/potassium ratio is pretty good too from what I can remember, anything below 2.5 indicates copper excess. A higher sodium/potassium ratio can indicate the alarm stage. Are you stressed? Is your cortisol high?   [End]
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Hi Lalobear, Yeah a reading below 1.5 usually indicates biounavailability. But other indicators are important also and need to be taken into account when determining total copper load like calcium and the sodium/potassium ratio. If you could tell me what those readings were I might be able to help more :)   [End]
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For anyone who is interested, I just received my latest copper result. I attend a GP who tests copper levels via blood testing and I am so pleased to find that my copper level now stands at 17 while my zinc level is 16!! Ideally copper should be 15 but my doctor and myself are so pleased! This is a huge difference since I first began getting tested where my zinc was a measly 8 while copper was 26! I have read however that blood copper does not always provide a true indication of copper burden in the entire body, particularly copper sequestered in organs. Therefore I am going to go back and ...
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Hi, I did it for about a year and a half when I experienced my first severe adrenal crisis. I found it helpful yes. I made consistent but slow progress and I got frustrated and could no longer afford it so I have been pretty much self treating my adrenal fatigue/biounavailable copper condition since. I also found that some of the dietary recommendations went against what I was beginning to discover about the importance of a high fat diet. My nutritionist was horrified when I told her how much fat I intended to consume on a daily basis! I intend to get tested again sometime soon out of cur ...
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Hi, I have done NB in the past and according to my previous nutritionist and the research I myself have done on the subject, candida tends to resolve itself when copper is brought into better balance. To be honest, once copper is balanced it tends to have a positive effect on just about every symptom of adrenal fatigue/copper toxicity.   [End]
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That doesnt sound too good at all. Its funny you say that about the effects of taking single aminos. L-glutamine was amazing for me when I first took it, energy out of nowhere. But the effects bottomed out after about a week and I was left with a horrible hangover like effect for two weeks straight. Great stuff if you can tolerate it but like you said, caution should be exercized. Methionine had a similar effect on me also   [End]
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Pregnenolone brought me back from one of the worst periods of my entire life. I experienced a particularly huge stressor last year and my body basically gave out on me. I was plunged into a severely low cortisol state, at one point I thought I was suffering from some kind of combined CFS/Fibro/Adrenal Insufficiency type condition that left me bedridden last summer. I had been treating for adrenal fatigue/biounavailable copper for 3 years previous to this,my progress had been steady but slow, almost like 2 steps forward, 1 step back. My body was already pretty weak and this particular stres ...
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Would be very interested to hear your progress :)   [End]
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L-Arginine gives more focus and energy so you wouldn’t want that when having anxiety. That is exactly what I wanted, a decrease in anxiety in order that my mind could focus and my energy could return. High anxiety was flooring me, literally. The combination I used enhanced not only my mental focus but it lifted the exhaustion brought about by my high anxiety state, including inducing a welcoming lift in overall mood.   [End]
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Ok thats interesting. What I found particularly good about l-arginine and l-lysine is that they actually lower cortisol. My cortisol was off the charts and within a couple of days of using this combo it had stabilized,it was quite miraculous to say the least, even my doctor was impressed. Does glycine have a similar action on the stress response?   [End]
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Hveragerthi Im a bit confused,what is your point about l-lysine and l-arginine? Yes they do antagonize each other and as research is very limited in this combos anti-anxiety effects, more research is required in order to accurately determine why it exerts such benzo-like effects. Are you saying that because they antagonize each other that this disputes their therapeutic effects and that glycine should be used instead? Just curious   [End]
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Bigtime,worked amazingly well for me. I actually dont take it any more as I dont need it,come to think of it I dont actually take anything anymore except for zinc of course for maintenance. I was taking 2/3000 mg of each together on an empty stomach(important with aminos). I found when my anxiety was particularly high I needed 2,000 of each first thing when I woke up, early morning anxiety was the worst for me and then 1,000mg around noon. But as the anxiety came under control I only seemed to need 2,000 upon waking. Im guessing everyone is different as with most things, so you could play ...
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Try a combination of the amino acids l-lysine and l-arginine. It acts just like a benzo but without the nasty side effects, it literally changed my life and has allowed me to get my copper level to the lowest point it has ever been. I wrote a post on this a couple of months ago if you want to take a look   [End]
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Perhaps you dont need it at the moment.Have you been tested for high cortisol? I only ask because if your anxiety is sporadic maybe you are no longer in a high cortisol state,its a hallmark for most I think.   [End]
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The vivid dreaming is familiar, Ive noticed this too-I see this as a good thing and a sign of a deep sleep. Is it helping the anxiety at all?   [End]
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Glad to help. I would be interested to hear your experiences also, please keep me updated. Always good to find a buddy trialling the same treatment :)   [End]
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Hi Daniell, 1) It indeed seems the ’L-lysine/L-arginine’-combo is what is usually recommended (as opposed to taking solely L-lysine OR L-arginine). However, anxiety is apparently related to L-lysine deficiency. Why shouldn’t one just supplement on L-lysine then? (This confuses me the most..) I have read that too about l-lysine being used for anxiety as a stand alone.I honestly dont know, maybe you could try the l-lysine on its own first, observe the effects and if it does not provide the relief required add in the l-arginine. There is not a lot of research on this treatment, maybe fo ...
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Hi all, I posted a message 2 weeks ago about a study I found that showed that a combination of the amino acids l-lysine and larginine helps to normalise the stress response in individuals presenting with high trait anxiety. I wanted to share my results in the hope that it may benefit others with high anxiety/high cortisol. I have been consistently taking a dosage of 3 grams of each daily for two weeks now to test it out. The only thing I can say is WOW!! I had been relying on Xanax intermitently for a number of months to try and curb the crippling anxiety I had been experiencing. I havent ...
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Hi guys, Came across this study and thought it might interest some of you http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16117182 Also http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17510493 http://www.pnas.org/content/101/22/8285.abstract Im going to try this combination out. If it helps at all I will report back. Cheers   [End]
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Hey there, I have read though that siberian ginseng is not one of the stimulatory herbs like rhodiola for example. Maybe my dosage is too high. I might try cutting the dosage in half and see what the effect is. I dont want to give up on it yet as its the only thing that has lifted this awful brain fog. I also have some holy basil somewhere, might try it too.Thanks for the response :)   [End]
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Hi guys, Im looking for some advice. So I am very much convinced that I have now switched from a low cortisol state to high cortisol.The past few weeks I have been living in a fog. I took one capsule of siberian ginseng yesterday and felt so much better within a couple of hours..my mood lifted, my energy improved greatly and my mind felt clear for the first time in weeks. I did however feel a little revved up and had some difficulty getting to sleep last night, which isnt normal for me as I take seroquel as a sleep aid. This morning however I felt very revved up, heartbeat increased a ...
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Hi Marie, No I havent been tested recently. Pretty severe adrenal fatigue was confirmed a few years back by hair analysis, at the time my nutritionist commented that I must have been high cortisol for years prior. Currently I am not in a position financially to get properly tested but I have been around the block enough to know which state I am in. Anxiety and sweating are key signs for me.Also my pupils are like saucers and have been this way for weeks now...   [End]
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Hi guys, Havent been around here for a while as I felt like I was doing so well for a number of months. Basically I discovered pregnenolone and it literally transformed my life. I went from barely functioning to almost functioning ’too well’ as my mother put it. I have been given a diagnosis of bipolar disorder in the past and therefore I see her logic. But since around the second week of jan this year, it suddenly felt like a switch had been turned on. I seemingly went from a low cortisol to a high cortisol state almost overnight. What I think is pretty weird is that it was around th ...
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Hi guys, Just thought I’d share a recent discovery with you all. I bought some black pudding today. I know this isnt regular fare for you guys in the US but over here(Ireland)it has been a staple food for centuries. Basically it is dried pigs/cows blood, fat, oats, salt and spices rolled into a sausage shape and either boiled or fried, similar to Scottish haggis, fried it is delicious. I havent eaten it since childhood but today I ate some and shortly afterwards OMG I got this sudden rush of energy! I am premenstrual at the moment and have been awful tired all week but this has seriously ...
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I do experience an exaggerated startle response, particularly to loud noises. I also cannot tolerate bright light too well either, at times. So perhaps I am stressed as you say but not always aware of it. I have just added raw milk, raw cheese and raw eggs to my diet(which are really delicious) for the past couple of days and I feel calmer in situations which would usually really stress me out.   [End]
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Thanks. No not under any stress at all. I dont really understand it either. Hopefully the docs can figure it out.   [End]
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Hi Feo I tried taking it in the morning but the exhaustion is worse when I take it then. No I do not have insomnia but I take a small dose of seroquel each night, have done for years. I am afraid to stop taking it, what if it is actually helping to restore my hormonal balance(which could account for the mood swings, it also brought on my period within 2 days which was almost 2 weeks late). Is it possible that it is converting to progesterone which may be causing the exhaustion?? I am seeing a chronic fatigue specialist next week for the result of a DHEA test so I am hoping he can shed som ...
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I am really hoping somebody can help me out here. I have been taking pregnenolone for almost 2 weeks now, I am currently taking 40mg sublingual by Source Naturals having titrated upwards over this period. I am taking it for adrenal fatigue/social anxiety. My question is, is it normal to feel run over by a bus/comatose while taking it? The exhaustion is overwhelming to the point where all I can do is lie down/sleep, weak isnt the word, even making meals is a huge struggle. My mood is all over the place, swinging between depression, anger sometimes rage where I have had to take Xanax to calm ...
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Thanks for the reply.I stopped drinking it 2 days ago but my ear still feels inflamed and/or infected,it is completely blocked,I cannot hear through it at all and this mucus stuff is still in there and coming out of it at times.My mood and energy have been severely affected also.I am seeing my doctor tomorrow about it.Looks like no more buttermilk for me :/ sometimes we have to learn the hard way..   [End]
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Ok,I will see if the company will let me return it,though now that I have opened it Im not sure :/ Thanks for the advice.Im not using preg as a quick fix at all actually,just hoping it will help me get back on my feet a little quicker,I have been pretty much housebound with chronic fatigue the past few months.I am actually a mature student,almost 29,been battling anxiety and depression for years.But I have been properly addressing my adrenal fatigue with the help of a nutritional therapist for a year and a half now.I have drastically changed my lifestyle,I eat well and take nutritional ...
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Thanks for the reassurance:) Im doing this on my own at the moment as I have been told by my doctor that it could take months for my appointment with an endo,I am actually thinking of going private tbh,so your help and guidance is *greatly* appreciated. I am waiting for the company to contact me back about the mix up.I really dont want to have to send the product back and then wait for them to send me out the right one,could take weeks.I really want to get started on this as Im back to college soon and really need to feel better before this. So I was thinking,what if I just suck on ...
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Hi there, I hope you dont mind but I was looking for your advice.I received my order of Source Naturals Pregnenolone this morning but realised that it was the ordinary tablet form and not the sublingual formula.I tried it anyway,I cut the 25mg tablet in half and swallowed it with some water.Its been about an hour since I took it and Ive felt kind of strange since,a little out of it,not the most pleasant feeling.I was just wondering if you felt this way when you first took preg?Could it be due to the fact that it is not the sublingual form that I took?I have such high hopes for preg,I real ...
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Hi guys, I posted this message on the adrenal fatigue board and did not get a response so I am hoping somebody here can help me out.The past couple of days I have been drinking buttermilk in an effort to increase my friendly bacteria which has given me a pretty bad ear issue,deafness,inflammation,excess fluid,swelling and ’crackling’ in my inner ear when I try to unblock it.This happened the morning after I drank a large glass of buttermilk. My question is,is this some kind of a herxheimer reaction caused by candida die off?I have been drinking sea salted water for a few weeks now and ...
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Hi guys, I am hoping somebody may be able to help.Yesterday I bought some buttermilk.I have been drinking sea salted water for about 3 weeks or so and was worried that it may be killing off not only my bad bacteria but also the good guys,I also have not taken a probiotic in a couple of months and so thought that buttermilk might be a good (and cheap) way to provide some friendly bacteria. So I drank a large glass last night with dinner.Everything seemed fine but I woke up this morning with what I will describe as a congested ear which is a little sensitive to the touch.My question is,i ...
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Thank you so much for that,I really do appreciate it!Clears up a lot of questions I had,though I do know that everyone reacts differently to things its nice to get the feedback :) I noticed on another thread that you mentioned you have some copper issues,me too.I was diagnosed with biounavailable copper by a doc who has a side interest in orthomolecular medicine.Has the preg helped your copper issues at all?Heres my logic,not exactly scientific I know but just my own personal theory on what has caused all this for me.YEARS of chronic social anxiety/agoraphobia which led to excessive adr ...
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Thank you so much!Wow that sounds amazing!Going from agoraphobic to being able to socialise,what a huge achievement!My social anxiety was crippling in the past too,it has improved since I have been working on my adrenal fatigue through diet,lifestyle etc but any form of stress knocks me way back and the anxiety creeps up again.I am so tired of it and just want some stability,tired of re-starting my life over and over again. I have ordered the Source Naturals product,I hope to have it by the end of the week! Just a couple more questions,I hope you dont mind :) Does the pregnenolone ...
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Yes I would like to have my pregnenolone levels tested,I am waiting on an appointment with an endocrinologist.But from what I have read the test isnt very accurate at all,worth a shot though. I know what you mean about targeting the underlying subconscious issues but you know what Ive been trying to do that for years through counselling.What I discovered is that I have asolutely no idea where this social anxiety issue came from.I have also read,if a pregnenolone deficiency is indeed the true cause,that raising this hormone *alone* can eradicate such irrational thinking and that without ...
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I recently had an appointment with a chronic fatigue specialist who moreorless confirmed my long standing theory that I suffer with adrenal fatigue/exhaustion as a result of YEARS of crippling social anxiety with alternating periods of agoraphobia. He took blood for a DHEA test. This got me thinking about pregnenolone, the ’grandmother of hormones’. Having done some research I came across a number of studies which have shown a direct link between low pregenolone levels and social anxiety. I have ordered it and hope to have it within a week or so. Can anyone who has tried pregnenolone suppl ...
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Thanks everyone, Im feeling much better now.I stopped drinking the himalayan sole and switched back to regular sea salted water and the difference is crazy!!I feel fine again.I definitely think the himalayan salt was throwing me into some kind of weird detox mode.I have read that himalayan salt has hypnotic properties,well I can certainly attest to that,all I wanted to do was sleep!!I tried having the himalayan salt with a meal as somebody suggested and I fell asleep after the meal!This stuff is weird and I also believe that it was dehydrating me,I was pretty constipated.I am going to sti ...
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Ok so I bought some himalayan salt and have been using this instead of plain sea salt. This past two days my energy has plummeted, not that it was great to begin with. Its making me think that the salt is causing a detox reaction.Ive tried cutting back on the amount of salt in my drinking water but find that I urinate more when I do this and if anything experience MORE tiredness(I have adrenal fatigue). Yet the salty water tastes real good to me. I am also in the middle of my menstrual cycle at present which I know is cleansing of itself. Am I putting too much pressure on my body at thi ...
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Ive been doing some reading since discovering that my adrenal fatigue has been greatly lessened the past couple of days by drinking sea salted water. Apparently there is a Dr Batman who claims that chronic conditions such as CFS/adrenal fatigue and a host of other conditions are caused by dehydration.He advocates water and salt but not how I was consuming the mixture. Has anyone ever heard of this protocol or tried it? I am getting his book tomorrow,feels like Im onto something here.   [End]
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That is reassuring,since you have been doing this for years have you ever experienced constipation or other digestive upset as a result?I do think my body went into cleansing mode a little but I think since I have just had a series of colonics that the cleansing really didnt feel severe at all.If cleansing is an additional benefit together with helping alleviate my adrenal fatigue then great!   [End]
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Hi Sal I was drinking a 1/2 teaspoon in a glass of water first thing on an empty stomach which really did seem to increase my energy level which I therefore assume raised my morning cortisol level,then another 1/2 a teaspoon in water around 2pm(just before my weakest point of the day) and I added a pinch to a 2 litre(quart) of water which I was drinking throughout the day.That actually does sound like a lot!!I am going to cut back and see if I can find a healthy balance because I really did find some benefit from it.I think I am also around stage 3 adrenal fatigue from everything I have r ...
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Thanks for sharing your experience,at least I am not the only one!I did find however that I was capable of ’holding on’ to much more water than I usually do,I usually spend my time rushing to the toilet after I drink water,even small amounts.So I do think that it helped hydrate me at first.As another poster pointed out perhaps the amount of salt was too much and caused a cleansing effect that was a little overwhelming for my body to deal with.I am going to try it again tomorrow but in smaller quantity.I also strangely found the mildly salted taste of the water quite palateable so maybe I d ...
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Hi Marie Yes I have come across this article already but tbh this is one of the very few articles that does not recommend sea salt drinking.I decided,since it has been advocated by many other reputable websites,doctors,and personal testimonials that I would give it a try.I am going to try cutting down the amount as suggested by another poster and see if that helps things as I felt that I was benefitting from it initially.I would be interested to hear how you get on with Dr.Wilsons recommendation,keep me posted!   [End]
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Thanks for your reply.I will try your advice and see if I can handle a smaller amount.From everything I have read sea salt drinking can really benefit those of us with adrenal fatigue,I would hate to abandon this protocol simply because I was ingesting too much and I did find that it seemed to help raise my morning cortisol level.Its funny that you mention that about cleansing,today I have experienced some pronounced sugar cravings which I just had to give in to,I eat a no sugar diet and have only experienced sugar cravings when I suspected candida or indeed die-off.Perhaps you are right.T ...
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Hi I sent you a private message,not sure if you have seen it or not. I am dealing with the EXACT same problems as you. If you would like to email perhaps we could help each other out :)   [End]
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Hi I recently came across a number of websites which advocate drinking sea salted water,rather than plain water,when experiencing adrenal fatigue,so I thought I would give it a go. The first day I tried it I could actually feel a great sense of calm wash over me,my bowels moved 5 times and I thought this was the missing piece of my puzzle! Then last night I started to experience cramping in the lower part of my stomach. I thought that maybe it was because of all the bowel movements that day. Today I have again been consuming the salted water(1/2 a teaspoon in 2 quarts of water). But to ...
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