I am so sorry for the delay in responding. There was a time not so long ago, where all I did was stay online looking for answers. Now that I enjoy life, I do not get on the computer nearly as much!! I’m off to bed now (10pm) so that I can wake up very early for work! When I get some time, I will answer all your questions. If you are able....surrender to your fatigue, to your anxiety, to your depression.....stop ”trying” so hard....relax and just be with what is. You WILL heal! And I will be in touch. Good night and many blessings.....   [End]
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Hello everyone, It’s been ages since I’ve posted on here, probably well over a year or more. I wanted to give you an update, so that you will remain positive, KNOWING that you CAN overcome this adrenal sh*t. The last time I posted, I think I shared that I was working full time, unheard of for many years. Since then, I have a new job, a wonderful one, far less stress, nice co-workers, and a short distance to work. Those who don’t recall my posts, I was rock bottom in adrenal exhaustion, I could barely put one foot in front of the other, horrible insomnia, couldn’t work ...
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In a sense Ryan, I will have to agree on something. I need to ”get a life” and spend more of my limited free time away from here. See ya. It’s been real....   [End]
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He has been exposed. Although no surprise to me. I recognized the style from way back too. I think you may have put an end to the trolling, name calling, and hate-filled nastiness. The mods have tried through the years but to no avail. That is if he is sober enough to realize that we have his number now. His life may be so hopeless that he doesn’t give a flying foo foo about anything.... Sad really...   [End]
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Simply stated. [Video Embedded Here]   [End]
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Good post, MB! I didn’t go there, because I thought enough was said about it, particularly regarding humans as superior to animals. We tend to dismiss what our filters excuse, because of rationalization. Regarding the animal issue as ”less important than human”, I wonder why people do not consider dogs and cows and chickens for example, as equals. Would people EVER consider eating their dogs or cats? One can squirm at this question, but it is legitimate. Life is life.   [End]
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This is certainly a refreshing change, exploring information and differences, with respect. Striving for harmony is of course the ideal, and indeed respect for ALL life. Yes! In a harmonious, perfect world there would not be a need for abortion. Unfortunately, we are not there yet. And yes, we need to be the change we wish to see, so......all change begins within as does all responsibility. I would suffice to say that not one of us on this forum, or almost anywhere is pro-abortion. We are all pro-life. I do not have the luxury to live in a rural area, which is far more ha ...
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Grz, it’s wonderful to see a pro-life post that is done intelligently, without name-calling and hateful energy, done in the true spirit of debate. I would like to address a couple of your points. ”Why are children aborted as a form of birth control, or for convenience?” First, since the majority of abortions are performed in the first trimester, these fetuses are hardly children. This seems to be one of the huge differences in the belief systems of pro-choice and no-choice proponents. Second, we have many posts on this forum discussing the fact that multitudes of abortions ...
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”Hatin’ for ”god” actually only has one source and it has nothing to do with ”god.” Yep. It’s all self-hatred. And you are correct, it’s all projection....which makes it easy to be on these forums. I don’t take anything personally when they attack. Those names they call me are not about me at all, but they tell me LOTS about them!   [End]
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"Hell, there’s enough suffering going on inside the US, but yet their focus is on Fetus Fetishes." You got that right!  Right here in our backyard.   So would they force birth on this poor American woman living in a car with her family?   [End]
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All’s fair in love and debate.... So every time you post one of your propaganda fetus pics, I will balance that out with a live child. One who is living in extreme poverty, war and suffering. One of millions who could be helped if the no-choice zealots would walk their talk when they claim to really love babies. With all that passion, think of all the good you could do!   [End]
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Oh yes,   pro-choice people understand life,   very much so.   And with great compassion.   I can post pictures too, refreshed,  of starvation and war on terror victims (and most christians support the war on terror)   [End]
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You do want to save the lives of innocent children, don’t you? Isn’t that the basis of the no-choice campaign? Then why do you ignore the 40,000 already born children who die each and every day for lack of food, care, and basic medical attention? Could you not save thousands perhaps even millions more lives by focusing on real children instead of embryos? You may be pro-embryo, but you certainly are not pro-life.   [End]
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I don’t trust any of these sites either, but you are correct. How would they feel if THEIR choice was taken from them.   [End]
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I don’t need these bible verses to prove anything to myself. I don’t see the bible as the word of god. However, many here do...so thought I would share!   [End]
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According to the bible: Genesis 2:7 ”And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” This clearly states that life begins at first breath, which is outside the womb. Job 33:4 ”The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty has given me life.” This reinforces the Genesis 7:2 statement that breath is the place where God acknowledges His creation as being alive. Ecclesiastes 11:5 ”As you do not know how the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of the woman with child ...
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”Let’s cut to the chase. Do you support forcing a women by the state, to carry a fetus full term, or would you leave that as a personal choice (free will)?” --This is a non-issue for me, as I have no involvement with law-making or activism in this regard. I have no control over the choices that other people make. I can only observe what’s happening.” You are skirting the question. You were asked if you would SUPPORT forcing a woman by the state, to carry a fetus full term, or would you leave that as a personal choice. It is a legitimate, bottom line question and it IS an issu ...
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Yes, spud. I became suspicious when I kept seeing the same pictures over and over, only to learn that in many cases they were stillborn or miscarried. Lies and deceptions.   [End]
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Very politically incorrect! lol! Good parody, with victims of rape and incest as the actors in the video. In the not so distant past, an extreme abortion involved coat hangers, a dark, dirty back alley, maybe some cheap booze as the antiseptic and an untrained midwife, with high mortality rates. Many posed as doctors just to get the high fee. Also, many women died using the coat hanger themselves. How bout a little history lesson: In the 1960s, abortionists often turned women away if they could not pay $1,000 or more in cash. Some male abortionists insisted on having sexua| ...
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”At this point is not pro-choice vs pro-life. It’s compassion vs. crazy christians” Great bible study lesson, MB. It’s all right there, they just need to read their own book. Although we know quite well they only translate literally when it suits their own agenda.   [End]
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I think you’re correct, beej. He would never have a gay friend because he hates gays. Even though he tries to soften it with the ”hate the sin love the sinner” line. Little does he realize that the term sodomite is an assumption for many gays. I happen to know gays and 2 lesbians who live celibate lives. AND my friends who are gay are christian. Why on earth would they be, when their religion and their bible condemns them to hell? Well it’s their choice, not mine.   [End]
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”The living God hates sin not the sinner.” And what about you? You hate the sinner, don’t you grASSman? ”Gay is a political title designed for dopes like you who love the world and all its sin/dis-function.” Spoken like a true christian. You never disappoint or break the pattern. No wonder I left the christian cult. People like you woke me up.   [End]
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’Choice MM, choice, remember that. I don’t for one minute think that all christians are anti-choice, do you?” Of course not! I even posted a picture of Christians for choice. Many thinking, intelligent christians are pro-choice. And there are many wonderful, loving christians in this world. Unfortunately, CZ is populated with some of the other kind. Not all, but some, and they are the most vocal and passionate about no-choice. I would invite anyone to compare my posting history with yours, and see the differences. I use parody from time to time to make a point when ”certa ...
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Just for the record.....I am not ”knocking” christians. I was saying that there needs to be other perspectives other than from that one belief system. There are many such, but christians seem to be the most passionate about no-choice.   [End]
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Yes, an example of how SOME women feel after an abortion, a very small sample size, on a christian forum. And yes, beginnings are always hopeful. And I think there are many hopeful and helpful posts already on this debate forum. It seems that semantics are at play here, between the word ”support” and ”debate”   [End]
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That was a ”recovery” forum for after the fact, not while a women is seeking advice and answers, moderated by Ev, a born-again christian. It has been out of use for over 5 years. It probably isn’t possible to have a one-size-fits-all abortion support forum. Too many belief systems at play.   [End]
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Let’s see. The problems with an abortion support forum is that each belief system would be posting from their own perspective, and it would end up being just like this one. *sigh*   [End]
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Yes, I thought of that actually. I wonder, should we ask for an abortion support forum? Because as it stands, women seeking help on CZ are only finding this forum.   [End]
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And you asked some very good questions too, rasc.   [End]
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”As far as back-street abortions. Evil deeds are always done in darkness.....until the majority become so corrupt that evil seems good and it is brought out into the light and many agree that it is good. I don’t support evil against the innocent anywhere but I’m more appalled that christians are calling this evil good. Murders in back alleys will continue and so will abortions even if the law of abortion is done away with. Evil will always try and expand it’s borders to cause the light to dim and become gray. Isn’t that were I’m losing you? In the gray?” So you refreshed are the ju ...
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”Direct your question to God and find out.” Answer the question. You always do this when you can’t answer the question!   [End]
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”Every person has to make their own choices in life. Good or bad. I have just as much right to stand up and vote ”no” to abortion. It’s my choice....my free will choice.” Exactly. So don’t have an abortion, this is your choice! It doesn’t make it a ”good” or ”bad” choice, either way. It’s freedom. But what IS ”good” is the freedom to choose. The problem, the BIG problem you have is that you realize you have the right to stand up and vote ”no” to abortion, but you refuse others that same right, the right over control over their own body. And btw, many of your posts concern re ...
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Look at this safe sex information on the same website. So basically, abstinence is the only answer. How realistic!! http://www.abortionfacts.com/safe_sex/safe_sex.asp I love this one...Dating and Sex: Need ideas for what to do on dates besides sex? 54 ideas here. Get real.   [End]
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Fudged statistics for the purposes of propaganda. This website actually advocates natural family planning ”the new and improved rhythm method” and is critical of any other forms of birth control. So you don’t want women to have a choice, and you don’t want women to be able to prevent pregnancy in the first place. Women really are screwed if it’s up to you. ”This sounds dangerous.” Not nearly as dangerous or painful or liable to cause complications as an 8 or 9 pound baby exiting a teeny, tiny little hole! Not to mention complications that require cesaerian sections. Not to ...
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Great post, I really enjoyed it. A truly ”living” building. A whole new paradigm!!   [End]
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”One of the biggest risks of having an abortion is to have some religious loony tune show up at your front door and shoot you for the choice you made. My first instinct was to laugh, but it’s likely true. Look at this poor contractor and what he and his family put up with from anti-choicers. (And anti-choicers call themselves pro-family ;) [Video Embedded Here]   [End]
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Try to really get this. We are NOT pro-abortion, but pro-choice. This is a good explanation. [Video Embedded Here]   [End]
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Very good videos, MB. I particularly liked the argument about the DNA being available in a dead person as well as a fetus, with the pro-lifers saying that they have ”proof” because of the DNA. And the question was asked do we need to protect dead people too?   [End]
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All new technology is a process which is perfected over time.    It takes TIME, dreaming, tweeking and new engineering insights to emerge.   Computers and airplanes/jets for example.   Those happened in "real life."        As for green technologies, they are ever-evolving.  Here’s a sample timeline for renewable energy: http://www.uwsp.edu/cnr/wcee/keep/nr735/Unit_1/Timeline.htm Renewable Energy Timeline K-12 Energy Education Program Renewable Energy has been used throughout the world throughout time becau ... [Image Embedded Here]
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”If you think you can do a thing or think you can’t do a thing, you’re right.” Henry Ford   [End]
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”A person isn’t always the same sex on the inside as their outward appearance would tell us. Judge not...” I agree with you on this one! I have a very good friend who is a gay male. He is a gentle, beautiful person, and for all intents and purposes, is more like a ”girlfriend” than anything else. I would be not like this man to be judged as anything other than a wonderful human being.   [End]
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Indoctrination and brainwashing 101. Enlightening documentary. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/jesus-camp/   [End]
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Documentary on Christians’ perspective on gays...   [End]
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I found the full version of The God who wasn’t There. Very good information, not very good production. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-god-who-wasnt-there/   [End]
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Good interview for discussion. There are many more clips on youtube from the movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crV_4XO_Ywc&feature=related   [End]
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Sorry about that. I’m having a computer challenge. (or it’s just me HA) Seems like I’ll only be able to post the links instead of the images. Here’s the trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73_IjNPmIEI   [End]
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http://www.thegodmovie.com/?gclid=CN7M7JPG2KQCFRpO5Qod7zrjKQ   [End]
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” But in the end, it’s my choice - not the preacher’s choice, not the government’s choice, not your choice.” Succinct, bottom line!! Thank you. And I agree about birth control. The only problem with it is that is it not fool proof. Plus all kinds of reasons it fails, such as human forgetfulness, etc. I use to counsel women at a Center and we had a Planned Parenthood representative come in to speak to a group of women. You’d be surprised at how many young women were unaware of their birth control options. Many thought ”the pill” was their only option, because their boyfr ...
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Good answer....unreal *shakes head* And how about the guys? Not necessarily rape or date rape....just normal guys. Shall we suggest abstinence to them too? Geesh, they are involved a bit in pregnancy, wouldn’t you say? Seems the women always take the brunt of the responsibility. Not fair. Soooooo.....the very least we can do for them is to give them choice and control over their own body.   [End]
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This is a parody, which is very close to the real thing. I used to get the feelings that the child in this video must feel when proselytized to.... It’s an insane approach, and not too exaggerated. [Video Embedded Here]   [End]
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That’s very interesting that you would USE a quote from Mother Teresa, a Catholic nun, who you and Moreless and other born-agains say is probably burning in hell right now as we speak. Simply because she was a catholic. But that’s typical. Use quotes and bible verses to suit your own agenda.   [End]
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A little theme song to go along with your dinner... [Video Embedded Here]   [End]
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Yup, round and around and around they go. But until they use their noggin’ and get it, there are so many poor souls doomed ;)... [Video Embedded Here]   [End]
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Yes, spud. Very simple! It does not take a great mind or intellect either. Just logical common sense.   [End]
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