Vitamin C doesn’t do much to me - I take 4 gm a day of whole food vit C because ascorbic acid seems to make my skin worse, due to lowering copper probably. If you were part of the andy cutler chelation list you would see members, once in a while, complaining about looking older since starting chelation - the assumption is that the oxidative stress is causing that. It doesn’t happen often but a few people have reported it. and it’s been happening with me too. Other people have reported aging backwards after 80+ rounds. So I’m assuming after the mercury is out, cells can finally regene ...
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I had 6 huge fillings for over 12 years. All fillings were close to the root - I was pretty worried I would need a bunch of root canals as a result. I didn’t feel sick at all after the removal though. So far, chelation has only helped with insomnia, unfortunately. It has accelerated my premature aging too which I think is normal to get worse before getting better. People of the andy cutler chelation group report of worsening of wrinkles. Yeah - premature aging/dry skin is my worse symptoms and it has happened at a very fast pace. this should refresh your memory http://www.curezon ...
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Hi Mikee, I am in a similar situation as you; however, probably not as bad. I removed all my fillings and was convinced mercury was my main issue. The removal process went smoothly other than loosing a tooth in the process. I’ve been chelating for a while now (12 rounds @ 37.5mg ALA) and have not got better, nor worse which makes me think mercury isn’t the main culprit for my health issues - probably a big part of it, however.The one thing I can say though is that since ALA, my sleep is much better. Insomnia is almost gone!I still have high hopes for mercury but I am not experienci ...
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I’ve recently tried the L-Arginine + L-Citrulline combo in order to raise nitric oxide as I knew this was the cause of my ED and just WOW - works very similarly to v1agra and it’s a much cheaper and safer alternative. Arginine and Citrulline relaxes the blood vessels and increases overall circulation so this combo would not work for those suffering from performance anxiety but for a lack of nitric oxide, it works beautifully. I don’t take it every day - only before sex. 4 gm of arginine 1 teaspoon (5gm) of citrulline 1 K2 capsule and voila. this stuff is awesome.   [End]
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Hi burnout - wondering what your more agressive NB program is...can you please explain? I started a few months ago on an NB program using ARL labs but at the same time I am doing Andy Cutler’s mercury chelation protocol. Hoping they will compliment each other. There are a few things that Dr. L Wilson doesn’t take into account in the 4-low pattern, which is my pattern. For example, 4-low pattern can be an indicator of deranged mineral transport caused by mercury. (in my case ALL my mineral levels are below ideal level) Also, copper toxicity or deficiency can be caused by mercury poiso ...
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What are you symptoms? What is your protocol? If you know how to do fix this bio-unavailable copper imbalance. If one suffers from bio-unavailable copper it means that toxicity and deficiency are present at the same time; therefore, taking Zinc to lower the excess copper will also lower the low copper your cells are utilizing. What I am doing to fix this is a nutritional balancing program which focuses on balancing mineral levels and ratios to achieve cellular health. But this can take up to 2 years.... My skin won’t stop aging due to low copper. not sure if high copper c ...
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Sorry you’re going through this! I have adrenal fatigue also and learn the hard way that we cannot exercise when sick. the most you should be doing is going for 30 min light walks. Not even jogging or anything that raises your heart rate. I know it sucks, but now I just go for walks because I want to get better Here are a few things: - 30 min walk - meditate daily/breathing exercises - clean up your diet - avoid drinking coffee, eliminate all processed sugars, eat healthy fats as your glands love it, protein, etc... - sleep is very important what supplements are you tak ...
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Yeah maybe I’ll get some DMPS. currently I’m doing a round with just ALA, we’ll see how that goes. sounds good. I’ll load up on C and E   [End]
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25mg then went back to 12mg. I mean, the symptoms weren’t bad at all while taking them. But DMSA is known for triggering candida, something I always thought I had. I don’t take huge amounts of vitamin C. Maybe 1,000? then some vitamin E with 300 mcg of selenium. zinc, cod liver oil, magnesium, iodine, kidney support. I’ll usually load up on C and E 3 hours after my last dose of the round. currently finished my 4th round. I actually feel worse then when I started which I presume is candida. I think It’s time to try ALA by itself. I’m pretty sure my mercury is in my brain and glands. o ...
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DMSA is a no no for me. digestion has been worse since I’ve started. Also, dark circles and facial overall looks are worse. I think it’s triggering candida because the back of my tongue has a nasty thick layer of white mucous. Going to try taking ALA by itself since I am mostly concerned of getting the mercury out of brain and glands. Anything else other than DMSA and DMPS that I could take along with ALA to reduce mercury distribution ? Or is it fine to take ALA by itself.   [End]
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Not sure if the CE would be responsible for low minerals - especially copper/zinc levels. When I first did my first HMTA I hadn’t done any CE and liver flush yet, and by the time I did my second HMTA I had already done probably around 100 CE and 8 liver flushes. The results actually showed sodium levels significantly higher. Magnesium and calcium went down by 1 only. All I did to make sure my mineral levels stayed consistent was drinking sea salt water. I’m not sure coffee enemas would cause a zinc/copper imbalance. They promote bile flow and would only get rid of unwanted excess c ...
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Sorry to hear about your problems. It couldn’t be more frustrating when ”doctors” can’t help us making us have to deal with this on our own. Going through similar issue (no hair loss but premature aging) too but slowly getting better with liver flushes, coffee enemas, lifestyles changes and now heavy metal chelation. have you ever looked into heavy metal toxicity? could be copper, mercury, lead....etc... adrenal fatigue/candida are just symptoms of a deeper problem happening in your body (mercury/copper toxicity, parasites,liver congestion, etc....) Maybe go to a naturopath ...
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Hi joegrane. For sure - I have heard thathat people who take DMSA often should supplement with minerals but in the long run getting rid of mercury will get your minerals in the ideal levels again. My hair test mineral analysis shows all essential minerals below ideal level and I believe mercury is responsible for that! In the long run you are right. I don’t think I would ever go over 25mg of dmsa. Good to know that both your and your friends skin condition got better. I’m really hoping this will get better once I get my health back in track. I’m positive that with chelating and bei ...
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wow those are some pretty high doses of ALA and DMSA. What kind of minerals are you taking with your protocol? DMSA strips minerals from our bodies. What do you think is causing the rapid aging and dry skin? Maybe the chelation is bein too hard on your thyroid and you’ve become hypothyroid? I’ve been going trough the same thing for the past year. My hands are full of lines and the area under my eye has lost so much elasticity. Skin health has been decreasing consistently no matter what I do. And skin care products won’t help at all. That’s a piece of a puzzle I haven’t been able to f ...
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I used to have bad breath, especially when i flossed, I could smell it pretty badly. sometimes it was a fecal smell. What worked for me was flossing twice a day and the key factor was swishing water diluted in clove oil. salt or oil pulling didnt do it. it was the clove oil. it completely went away after that. that’s a pretty cheap experiment but not sure if that’s your cause. bad breath could also be due to dental infection or congested liver - have you tried liver flushing before?   [End]
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Man..have a little faith in life. There are some good people out there. Still. Believe it or not. Idk how you can live like that being so skeptical about everything. If some cartel is behind the alternative methods of medicine who cares? It’s still works. What’s important is to be healthy and not to be relying on conventional medicine. If my insurance and employer paid the cartel to remove my fillings I wouldn’t give a rats ass. What’s important is that they’re out. Nobody wants metal in their mouths. Especially when they’re the most toxic non-radioactive element on earth. May ...
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#461 I understand your concern and obsession with parasites. They are a problem indeed. However, this tread was started for the purpose of sharing my experience with amalgam removal. Any discussion related to amalgams, heavy metals and mercury us welcome here. A lot of people on here are on a dillema of whether they should remove it or not and it can be a tough decision due to the removal process but in the long run it will be worth it for most people. Please take your parasites to another tread. You’ve just infected my tread with parasites. And I have to cleanse it now.   [End]
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I only spent 500 dollars (yep. It’s great living in canada) on removing all my fillings and so glad I did. Its a real problem - didn’t get tricked into replacing them at all. I think it would be really dumb to keep them in your mouth. How can you not acknowledge mercury toxicity? It’s probably the most common and problematic type of heavy metal toxicity in today’s society and it also contributes to parasites since you mentioned it. I’ve read of people doing parasites cleanses but they would get reinfected and only after chelating or detoxing were they finally able to clear parasites ...
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I guess if you added iodine in a NB program. It might be too much for one’s body. But it doesn’t mean you can’t do it after you’re done with the program or when the copper is mostly balanced ? I think mercury and copper toxicity needs to be deal with first. But fluoride detox is on my list! I want to get the metals out first though. How have you been? Have you got any results with copper detox? Man this mercury is making me groggy   [End]
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I understand what you are saying. I am however choosing not to do fluoride detox for the moment. NB focuses more on heavy metal ”chelation” and on re-establishing its body biochemistry. Plus I am going to do parasite cleansing and mercury chelation in a addition to NB I don’t think Wilson really offers Kelp for the purpose of detoxing fluoride either. My practitioner told me to take it for extra nutrients. Sorry Dr. Wilson’s protocol didn’t work for you but I think in order to complain about the program, you should give it at least a 1 year try - not just 2,3,4 months. A lot o ...
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Not sure if I know of any dentist doing these procedures where I live. I’ll try finding one tho.   [End]
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Fluoride is a problem for sure and I have symptoms of hypothyroidism. NB doesn’t recommend Iodine products such as lugol so I am taking kelp.   [End]
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Joegrane, Whenever I am having a bad day at work I feel like I need coffee, alcohol, sometimes nicotine and other things. I am usually able to quit those things for 2 weeks but then I go back to it. A nice cold beer or a glass of wine helps me wind down after a day of work but my problem is the compulsive behavior related to all these stimulants. I read somewhere where someone was struggling with addiction and once he detoxed from mercury and other metals it was way easier for him to say no to all those things that held him back this is for sure holding back my recovery. This is my i ...
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My 6 amalgams are out. I’ve had them for 12 years and exactly a year ago I thought I would have taken them to the grave with me - no kidding But then I discovered the dangers of having them in our mouths I never got a real diagnosis, except for a hair mineral test analysis which showed low levels of all essential minerals and mercury causes deranged mineral transportation. I have symptoms of overactive adrenals, hypothyroidism, mercury toxicity and copper bio-unavailability. I may not be mercury toxic but am I glad they are out! This was pretty risky because all 6 fillings were s ...
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https://m.reddit.com/r/Supplements/comments/2t44b7/i_invite_you_down_the_rabbit_hole_copper_the/ Hopefully this will answer some questions for you   [End]
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A lot of people indeed have bio unavailable copper. Usually, if you’re low in copper that means you have low ceruloplasmin - copper binding protein - and thus, your body cannot utilize the copper releasing all this free copper into the blood stream which causing cooper toxicity. I’m one of those. My hairesume analysis shows low copper and ideal zinc. So the supplements I’m taking contains zinc and copper. It could be harmful of I only took zinc. Yes copper is a stimulant to the adrenals. But our body needs balanced levels of copper. It’s a very complicated subject as its hard to find ...
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yeah I’m still here...unfortunately haha. but what is 1 year of trial/error and discovering our health condition. a year ago I was pretty clueless - now I have learned much from a lot of people and nutritional balancing seemed to solid approach for getting rid of excess metal/ re-balancing the body’s biochemistry. I would look into maybe getting those cracked fillings out since they are leaking more poisonous mercury into your body - the removal process isn’t actually bad at all. I did run into a couple issues but I’m glad they are mostly out. Yes exactly - our bodies are powerful de ...
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Hey thelaughingdogs, Nice to see you here and good to hear you’re fully healed! Must have been quite a journey of frustration but also of learning and improving ones self. At the end I hope this was all for the best. I’m 1 year in and haven’t made that much improvement but I do know that my main problems are mercury/copper + mineral imbalance. I have one last amalgam to get removed out of 6. I’m working really hard on liver detox - coffee enemas and liver flushes and kidney too. I though my main issue was adrenal fatigue initially but I was wrong. they might be slightly affected ...
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I started a sugar detox recently and now I just use lemon instead of grapefruit. Also, buy malic acid in powder for - Malic acid can be used in lieu of apple juice so you should have no problems there.   [End]
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Just found this - ”Study participants took three doses of eight grams each for the period of the study. As mentioned below, don’t take activated charcoal within 90 minutes to two hours of taking any prescription medication or supplements as it can prevent proper absorption.” I guess I can only take activated charcoal after they remove the fillings then.   [End]
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I think so, I was just trying to figure out if I can take benzos and charcoal at the same time without compromising the anti-anxiety effects of the benzo.   [End]
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Thanks for the recipe Klauss. I will try this myself. However, maybe the benefits you’ve been getting can be also due to the fact that you are cured from adrenal fatigue? I saw other posts where you mentioned it. just a though ! but I will try this; however, I doubt it will solve my digestive issues but if it helps, it’s a bonus. Digestive issues in my case will be solved once I chelate all the heavy metals, including mercury, copper - hopefully! Cheers,   [End]
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Hi joegrane, Yes, I remember you giving me advice on supplementation pre and post amalgam removal. Vit C, E, selenium. I will add glutathione and NAC as well as adrenal glandulars. The charcoal is to bind any swallowed mercury However I was told it is usually given to people that have overdosed from takin drugs by removing the effects of the drugs. I’m wondering if it will reduce the effects of the benzos. I will need something to calm me down and gaba doesn’t do the trick. Haha   [End]
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Hey all, I finally am scheduled to get my first 3 amalgam removed as I believe mercury toxicity is adversely affecting my adrenals. Im very anxious for this removal since the fillings are big and I am worried about acute mercury exposure.anyways, it needs to be done. My question is, I will be taking benzos (never really take them) to prevent any panic attacks from happening. However, I was planning on taking activated charcoal as well before the procedure. Will the activated charcoal remove the effects of the benzos? If it will, then will chlorela help instead of activated charcoal?
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Hey free bird - yeah vacations really suck lol http://www.curezone.org/ig/i.asp?i=81630 I guess for me, my first step is removing my dental amalgams with a biological dentist as soon as I am back from my trip. Finding a good dentist who will minimize the amount of mercury vapour emmited during the procedure is hard. I’m.going to have to trust him. But activated charcoal, lipomal vitamin c and glutathione will be taken to detox before and after. After that I think I’ll be hoping NB will work on removing some of the mercury which I’ve read it does. Read here: http://marzbon ...
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May the force be with you as well! Thanks for the article. That copper dysregulation article was very informative. Candida seems to be a huge problem as well and it goes hand to hand with copper imbalances. I’ve heard of people not being able to cure candida until their copper was regulated. I would add parasites along with candida and biofilm. Also, a 4th one is the most insidious metal - mercury. Merucy is a problem for many ppl with dental amalgams and it competes with copper as well. As I am not an expert as well. Please see this article on mercury. I myself thought that this art ...
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At least your body has enough energy to dump metals right. I think high copper on hair is better than low copper. Candida and copper are highly related so once you get copper under control the candida will easily leave. Same with parasites. For na/k ratio. Eat lots of real sea salt. I bumped my na/k ratio from 1.2 to 2.1 doing that. Sodium is at ideal level now! But being a poor eliminator is hard. My body ain’t dumping metals probably due to mercury toxicity. Can’t wait to start again.   [End]
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I’m surprised they only gave you 15 mg of zinc. that means your reading probably didn’t indicate copper imbalances? I’m on limcomin 2-2-2 which is pretty much 50mg per day.   [End]
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What are your zinc and copper and what’s their ratio? Mine is low copper, and zinc is just below ideal level. I’m 4 lows pattern so paramin and limcomin are my core supplements. haven’t started taking it yet! Does paramin help you sleep better?   [End]
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I think it depends on each scenario - if you are suffering from biounavailable copper and take only zinc, you’re going to get into some big problems especially if taken long term. What I’ve read about taking zinc long term is that it should have 1/10 of copper. zinc 10:1 copper otherwise you may become really copper deficient and die of aneurysm. I think you’re doing the right thing about trying to get copper from food as I’ve read somewhere the ones from food source is already protein bound - not sure though.   [End]
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I also have adrenal fatigue and have done hundreds of coffee enemas and maybe 10 liver flushes ? I made me feel slightly better and never really crashed from neither of. If liver congestion is the culprit of your AF, then you will greatly benefit from CE’s, liver flushes. But if heavy metals are crashing your adrenals, you won’t benefit as much - however, it is still important to do CE and flushes because when you are detoxing from copper, CE’s will make the ride much smoother. But again, if you have never done a coffee enema, I would suggest using 1 tea spoon for 2 cups of water and w ...
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Most people who are copper toxic feel like garbage while detoxing, but my assumption is when the unbound copper is gone, you will feel much better and that’s when you know when to stop. So many symptoms are associated to copper toxicity. Some additional zinc never hurts as free bird mentioned - as long as you are taking copper with it on a 10:1/8:1 ratio. The problem however is when you have copper bio- unavailability and are toxic as well as deficient, which is my case. I think I went from slow mixed oxidizer copper toxic to fast oxidizer copper deficient. I’m certain I am more defi ...
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Hi, I wouldn’t wanna go more than 3 days without fat at all. Avoiding protein is ok but eating fat is essential. I can’t go a day without my almonds and butter haha. But you can go 3 days low fat low protein and the other 3 days just raw vegan, maybe ? I’ve done over 8 flushes now and the most I’ve got was about 20 - 1/2 inch stones and hundreds of pea sized stones (my mood and vision got so much better after that) but for some reason my flushes haven’t yielded much lately. I think liver flushing isn’t a miracle cure when copper and mercury is the main culprit of my health issues ...
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Thanks for sharing! how do you feel now ? Hopefully you felt some after benefits of flushing. Definitely going to implement some of this stuff to my flush next time. I always make the mistake to eat fats/proteins the day before the flush. Keep on flushing Cheers,   [End]
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Happy flushing and let us know how the results where now that you didn’t fast - I’ve always wondered that maybe my results aren’t as good because I eat animal protein the day before the flush. Green juicing would be effective for a couple of days before a flush I bet! Cheers,   [End]
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Maybe try weaning off even slower? I’ve managed to reduce half my symptoms with good diet, less alcohol, less caffeine, daily coffee enemas, a few liver flushes (which I haven’t really noticed any benefits). But my worst symptoms - premature againg - hasn’t stopped for some reason. After lots of research I am almost certain the curprit of my AF are parasites, coppper and mercury toxicity. Gonna work on parasite cleanse first. Btw I took the blacknut and woormwood for a week and felt shittier than any liver flush. Must be inane die off. Next year I am going to work on coppper and mercur ...
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I used to drink 6 cups of coffee a day - probably helped drive my adrenals into exhaustion, along with other things of course. I decided it was time to stop and tried to quit cold turkey which led into crazy headaches. The way I managed to quit was dropping the Caffeine to 3 cups a day, and 3 cups green tea a day. then the following week 2 cups of coffee and 2 of tea. I would drink half a cup of coffee then fill it with more half water to give me the illusion of drinking more cups. eventually I was down to 1 cup of coffee and 1 of tea. leading to 0 coffee 0 tea. it took about 3,4 weeks. ...
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Quick update - Pelvic pain is gone. I don’t experience any discomfort anymore. Not really sure what brought this to a stop - maybe all coffee enemas, liver flushes, body building and healthier eating? ED has been better as well. Cheers,   [End]
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Honestly, I find kefir much more effective than probiotic when it comes to regulating my bowels. I’ve learned how to make it at home. Also, since I’ve been drinking kombutcha my digestion has greatly improved. If you did both, I’m sure you would feel a lot better. Plus the daily carrot and cucumber juice would replenish some minerals. These is very basic advice but I feel pretty good since drinking this all. Also, magnesium citrate everyday along with fish oils and vitamin D. Hope this helps!   [End]
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Sorry to hear that - what are the symptoms of hypoatremia. I have low sodium too due to adrenal fatigue. But always juice and drink salt water after enemas...you should start drinking home made kefir and get some kombucha for good bacteria. Maybe it isnt a stuck stone then. hold off on flushing maybe and focus on re-mineralization ?   [End]
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Maybe you still have a small stone stuck or stuck parasites causing all these symptoms and the next flush may relieve these symptoms? I’ve talked to a lot of people who had bad really bad flushes but it was just temporary and they were relieved with the next flush. I’m not telling you to do it - you know your body and your situation. It’s a tough decision. I myself was experiencing some similar symptoms that got eliminated after an emergency flush. But they only happened after eating fatty meals.   [End]
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