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” Yes, I would respect an M.D. as being professional. I also appreciated that she tells her own story of how she conquered her own illness with natural therapies.” This is not actually true. Dr. Day underwent three surgeries to excise her cancer. She provides path reports for her second surgery where it shows the margins were not cleared of cancer cells. In her second video ” Cancer doesn’t scare me any more” she describes going in for a third surgery. She does not provide a path report for this third surgery and one has to wonder if this reoprt would indicate that the margins are cle ...
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” Now I ask you...if someone has no symptoms of gallbladder disease...feels fine, in fact...why would they be having an ultrasound of their gallbladder performed?! Or any ultrasound?!! Why would they even go to a doctor?!!! Well sometimes ultrasound is done for other reasons then gallstones...for example I had a ultrasound guided biopsy and the technition and doc took a good look at my liver and gall bladder to look for anything that might be asymptomatic but serious. My wife when she was preggers with our first kid had an ultrsound tech look at her liver and gall bladder, spleen, abo ...
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What question or hypothesis would we be testing if I did that (the bile alone thing)? What would it be a control group for?   [End]
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I really feel for you and your child. And please watch the toddler whooping cough can have serious (very serious) complications in those under 2. With whooping cough by the time you get to the stage your son is at the cells containing cilia in the lungs have been damaged beyond repair. These cells are responsible for cleaning the lungs by waving the cilia and moving gunk up and out of the lungs. Your son will improve slowly as the cells are replaced by new undamaged ones. It can last 7 weeks and my mom and grandma called it the 100 day cough. I imagine there are quite a few websites ...
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First lets look at a more general definition of calculi seen below. I think we can agree that a cholesterol calculi would be considered a lump...yes? http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Calculi Stones or solid lumps such as gallstones Now lets look at the definition that you posted. One thing I immediately noticed was the word ”usually” in reference to mineral salts. Now the word ”usually” to me means most of the time but not always...how about you? Now I think we can agree that most cholesterol stones probably contain some varying amounts of mineral salts and other ...
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Well since we really want to test the null hypothesis how about this: Bile will not color olive oil or non-olive oil oil green. and another one: bile salts in the presence of liver flush ingredients will not coagulate the oil into lumps or sludge. For a control group I will place the ingredients for a liver flush into a balloon and not add any bile salts. Thus effects seen can be attributed to the presence of bile salts. any other suggestions?   [End]
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For your information the term calculi does not mean calcium it means lumps or stones...jsut wanted to make sure everyone understands that since some think it has something to do with calcium....not!   [End]
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There have been claims that cholesterol stones cannot be detected via ulstrasound. It appears that this is not the case. I have posted several links to other articles supporting the detection of these stones but figured they might get lost in the convolutions of the thread below. I figured another debate topic would be a good idea. here is a pretty good article where detection is 100%: http://bjr.birjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/68/809/459 Prediction of gall stone composition by ultrasound: implications for non-surgical therapy BS Kapoor, AK Agarwal and NN Khanna Depart ...
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I am going to butcher my last two hogs for the year tomorrow and I am going to do another experiment. This time I am going to take the bile from the gallbladders and place it into probably a long balloon. Since I have two pigs I will set up two experiments. One I will place the ingredients of a liver flush and add the bile and seal. I will agitate this for awhile and let it sit if need be. In the other one I am going to place the ingredients of a liver flush but substitute some other oil than olive oil and repeat the experiment. Crude experiment but I think it will give some interesti ...
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Yet another in many websites that can detect cholesterol stones and very descriptive on this is done. it seems that cholesterol stones are quite easy to detect! http://www.amershamhealth.com/medcyclopaedia/medical/volume%20IV%201/CHOLECYSTOLITHIASIS.ASP ”Cholesterol stones usually have an attenuation value that is lower than bile and are visible on CT as hypoattenuating structures. The ”Mercedes-Benz” sign is a triradiate central fissure of the stone and is particularly well displayed on CT as a hypoattenuating triradiate figure. MRI (Fig.4) and MRCP are able to visualize gallstone ...
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I tried it for 6 months and noted no differences in viral load...it did nothing for me. I know of several people who used it for several years and they also found out it did not affect their HCV. I stopped taking it about 2.5 years ago when I found it it was not working...just one in a long list of HCV treatment failures....sigh!   [End]
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I disagree, as do many performing these diagnostics, that ultrasound would not pick up non-calcified gallstones. There are different imaging techniques available for the detection of gallstones. Non-calcified, especially hundreds of them, would readily appear on the ultrasound. Ultrasound detects differences in tissue density and would easily be detected as outlined in the website I posted (one of many different sites supporting this detection via ultrasound). CT scans are also used but detection of non-calcified stones is routinely done with this method. Please provide some reference ...
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I do not feel that I have in any way misrepresented the research you or anyone else has presented. But that aside let us continue. First I do not knwo where you get the idea the ultrasound will not detect soft stones. Soft stones, especially hundreds or thousands of them will be readily identified by ultrasound. A CT scan will detect primarily calcified stones but even then soft stones are identifiable via this method. For scientific proof of this here is one site (from amongst many) that describe how different stone types can be detected. So you are incorrect in stating that soft s ...
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Since we are quoting the Mayo clinic did you notice that in the link you posted that they observe that one in twelve ( 1 in 12) people have gallstones. This is about 8% of people have gallstones. this is a very far cry from teh stance on this site that everyone has hundreds of stones. So we have the Mayo clinic whose information you trust and believe claiming 8% of the population have gallstones and this is also supported by the anatomy instructor and his observation over 25 years of disecting human livers. And then we have curezoneites claiming 100% of people have stones. So now come ...
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You might be the lucky one! After all what works for one doesn’t work for another. Collodialk silver did not work for me in facrt it cahnged nothing on my lab reports. I also know lots of others who tried it and it did not work for them either but it might work for you. good luck stage 3 is pretty scary and reflects quite a bit of damage. I wish you welland If you find something let us know.   [End]
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You are right the conspiracy theories you brought up actually ahve nothing to do with the liver flush debate. I am pretty confident that livers have been dissected and looked at long before the big pharma ever existed. I am also confident that 100’s and 1000’s of stonees would be found in at least some of the dissections and autopsies that have been performed. In all the literature on anatomy I have yet to find a reference to these melting cholesterol stones. As for the megacolon...what is the time course of the expansive growth of the colon? Did it happen overnight or for a prolon ...
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”You cannot figure out how the liver stores things simply by looking at it Couldn’t you measure it? For example glycogen is stored in the liver but I nor you nor anyone can see it with their eyes but there are methods to measure it chemically..correct? ”These questions are answered by experimental tests and painstaking research while the liver is running without damaging the patient. I would be asking of doctors and researchers who are sincerely interested in health where are these tests (so I can read them) ? isn’t this done everyday in toxicology and physiology labs across teh ...
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Excuse me Grog but dissection of dead humans is what lead to the udnerstanding of how the body and organs work...its been documented for 1000’sof years!! Also there are many people who are walking around with liver transplanted from cadavers who are alive and well. If these livers from cadavers work why are the livers dissected in anatomy classes allover the country and world any different? I amdiscussing htis on curezone because my wife and her family have been into this stuff for years and they always try to convince me that this is the real thing. I was hoping that someone here ...
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The livers we looked at in the cadavers were just as you described. A grain of sand would be 100’sof times larger than many of the ducts. There are larger ducts but they are much closer to the gall baldder and as the instructor showed us a stone of 8 mm is all that it would take to plug up the largest of the bile ducts. I don’t think people have ever seen a liver up close and personal so they don’t realize how difficult it is to believe that someone could have 100’s and 1000’s of stones in this organ. There just ain’t no place for them to fit. thanks for your post!   [End]
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I tried it and it did nothing for me. I also know quite a few others who have tried it with no success. Perhaps you might be the lucky one but frommy experience it doesn’t work and I often suspect that some of the testimonials are made up by the salesman.   [End]
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Thanks for looking into that for us Owen. Acute hepatitis is referring to (in the case of HCV) the very initial phases of infection. After infection has gone on for about 6-8 weeks the patient undergoes what is called seroconversion and the infection is now considered chronic. Acute hepatitis can also result in a reaction to exposure to liver toxic drug (drug indiced hepatitis) as well as to the initial stages of hepatitis B or A. In chronic HCV infection the patient is not able to clear the viral infection with their own immune system and the infection continues. About 15-20%of patie ...
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Interesting stuff and I totally agree but what does that have to do with *%#&¤?§* poor quality control of the supplements that Big Suppa sells us?? They are ripping us off big time and everyone seems to think this is a OK thing to do...I don’t get it?   [End]
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Grog this is a debate forum so you should expect to see dissenting opinions expressed. As for the debate what have you brought to the topic? This is as good as place as any to post my update. After dissection of the liver(s) and gall bladder along with all the connecting ducts my wife and I showed it to a friend of ours that is going to nusrsing school. She mentioned that they were now working on thier gross anatomy portion and that they had five cadavers they were workig on. Well she talked to the instructor and he agreed to allow us to come in and see the real deal!! While the sm ...
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Small cases...you have got to be kidding me! Products are not labeled properly with which parts of the plants are used, products are adulterated with pharmaceuticals, products don’t contain the amount of the active ingredients, ect. ect Yes your right the information is out there please read it. Quality control with supplements is non-existant!! What motivation is there for these companies to improve QA/QC...none just rake in the $$$ and screw the consumer looking to improve their health. Also the majority of folks use both routes allopathic and natural yoru figures are not correct.   [End]
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Recently, I was diagnosed by a healer in NY with an illness called ’dampness’. Can you tell me what it is, what the symptoms are, how it affects me and how it can be treated? Thank you.   [End]
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Hi Owen, yes I would appreciate your trying to contact Dr. Levy. When you do ask him make sure to request some specific documentation of any successes. As I said I know many many people who have tried this and all have failed intheir attempts to cure this dreadful disease. Some have reported some drops in their viral laod but once the vit. C is withdrawn the viral load bounces right back. It is one tough bugger and I ahve been fighting (and researching)it since I found out I was infected 10 years ago. I cannot tell you how many promising and acclaimed cures that I 9and others)have tr ...
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AS I thought it was too good to be true...sad. In his book Levy mentions acute hepatitis...not hepatitis C. I personnally know of 150+ people who have tried IV vit. C therapy for their HCV and not a single one has been cured nor have I found a single documented case where this is the case. Please be very very careful about what you post in realation to HCV spreading false hope helps no one. It also appears that Levy has never even treated a single case of HCV or polio...so what makes him an expert on this subject??   [End]
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What is your impression of the success rate? Out of 100 people in your experiences would people ”turn” their cancers around? thanks   [End]
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You are right to be concerned about in-vitro data. Cells in a dish on the benchtop are a very far cry from what happens in the body. Many miracle cures and such often use cell culture data to bolster their claims...never never do they repeat the experiment in a intact human body...or animal for that matter. You could probably put garden topsoil in a dish with cells and it would kill virus...be very very skeptical of cell culture claims!!   [End]
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I guess when you are making the rules up as you go along anything applies...doesn’t it??   [End]
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Where is the ”science ” at the suggested site? I read the site and all I found are peoples stories...hardly science!   [End]
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owen, Where did you get this information about IV Vit. C curing many cases of HCV? Sorry but I don’t believe it is true. How did these people determine that they were cured? thanks   [End]
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Well let’s talk about profit....the supplement industry is a 17 billion...yes that is 17 BILLION dollar industry in the United States alone.....now that is some profit margin considering there is no requirement that what is on the label is in the bottle. If you look at Consumer lab website you will find that in their testing fully 50% of supplements to not contain what they say they do...do you see a problem with that?? Who is guarding the hen house in this case...no one!!!   [End]
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What else did you expect a manufacturer to say? Not much different than any otehr company seeking to keeptheir profits up!!   [End]
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I don’t understand your statements Grog . You say I am making an assumption that these livers can’t hold stones. I never said anything like that. I did say that I cannot see where the large number and size of stones reported could possibly fit in the liver based on my personal observations. You then go on to say: ”To think you can analyze these livers and their capabilties just by looking at them is not a very scientific process and really doesn’t prove or disprove anything” Now I would think that looking at them and carefully dissecting the structures to see how the connecting ...
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Thanks for the link I read that article and a few more htis afternoon. Here’s one that I found that described a study with 100 patients. Out of the hundred almost half only had a single stone and they don’t describe thousands. I can’t figure out why everyone that does the flush produces hundreds and thousands of stones when I can’t find any references to a human having this many and looking at these livers where in the heck they might all fit. Don’t get me wrong it is really easy to see where the stones can (and do) form but the volume of these areas jsut doesn’t seem to match with the ...
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Grog you misunderstand me. I did not expect the pigs to have stones they are too young. Pigs that size are 8 months old FYI. What I did know is that the internal organs of a pig are near identical as humans so at the insistence of my wife I carefully removed them with a portion of the intestine (duodenum) so she (we) could study the structure of this organ and determine where all the stones would be found. the structure of the liver and ducts jsut does not seem to be able to accomodate the stones and chaff that people are describing. I was hoping someone else had done some dissections ...
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Thanks! I have looked at the photos and while I understand that stones do exist in some cases I don’t think that means everyone has stones. I mean I have never seen an autopsy report or a description from an anatomy class describing the presence of hundreds or thousands of stones. Looking at the liver and its structure I can see where there are a few places that stones the size of which are reported on the liver flush forum could lodge or form but these areas are extreemly limited and would certainly accomodate any nubmer of stones. The largest portion of the liver is very smooth w ...
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I posted a message in the debate forum and was hoping someone could offer some suggestions. Please read....thanks! Oh the message was titled ” I butchered 2 hogs today and....”   [End]
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carefully dissected out their liver and gallbladders intact to study. My wife and I carefully looked over the organs before beggining our internal dissection. While these animals are young and i would expect no stones what we did find suprised us. In looking at the internal structure of the liver and collecting bile ducts and the large ducts leading to the gall bladder as well as the ducts leading to the duodenum. We were suprised to find the these ducts were so small in the liver that even a grain of sans appeared huge. As the bile ducts ran into each other the ducts did become large ...
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sorry to hear about your biopsie results. Stage 3 is a cause for concern as you are only one step away from cirrhosis. Data does indicate that the more damage there is the faster the disease progresses. To answer yor question about how you feel people do very very well until about 80% or more of their liver is destroyed. thankfully there is a large redundancy in this very large and important organ. I knew a person who felt great right up until the time she had an esophogeal varices bleedout as a result of cirrhosis that she did not even know she had. Feeling great is a good thing b ...
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No hemolytic anemia is not a permanent condition. It is caused by a lack of ability of the RBC (red blood cell) to metabolise the drug. It (ribavirin) accumulates in the RBC and eventually lysis (breaks open) the cell destroying it. The typical life-span of a RBC is about 120 days and typically RBC #’s and hemoglobin numbers return to normal levels within (and usually sooner) this time frame once the drug is stopped. The spanish post below appears to me that ribavirin is only used for a short period of time to shorten the time span of an outbreak. It does not appear to offer a cure ...
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As I stated in my initial post I know nothing of ribavirin effects on herpes virus. I do know that it is a nucleotide mimic and acts to insert mutations into RNA virus during replication. My taking ribavirin was in relation to being treated for hepatitis C and my therapy was experimental and lasted 100 weeks. Many HCV patients will take ribavirin for 24-48 weeks dependent on genotype. For herpes its anyones guess but the cautions on birthdefects and the absolute need to use birth control with both partners still stands. Hemolytic anemia typically takes about 3-6 weeks to fully manifes ...
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Thank you for your post. How long did you take Ribavirin?   [End]
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I was jsut surfing by and had to make a comment here. First I don’t have herpes and do not know how effective ribavirin is in fighting this virus. I have however, taken lots of ribavirin when I was treated for HCV. The webiste below is very dangerous because of the information that is left out. The most important point is that ribavirin is a potent teratogen (causes birth defects) in all species tested. It is imperative that if either partner in a relationship is using ribavirin that birth control must be used. Most doctors requrie a pregnancy test before prescribing to woman because ...
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Diatmacious earth won’t work if taken internally in food or water. First to understand how it works you need to know what it is. diatamacious earth is the shells of diatoms (frustules) and are made of silica. These are very sharp edged. Insects are small in size but what is important is that they have a large body surface in comparison to their bodies volume. This makes them susceptable to dehydration. The sharp edges of the diatamacious earth gets into the joints of the insects and basically cuts them. This causes them to dehydrate and die. It is very effective when used dry and i ...
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Getting a pet and especially a dog is not a trivial decision. While I am not an expert I have owned dogs all my life. First you have to ask yourself what you expect out of the dog? Will the dog be allowed on the furniture? the bed? allowed to sleep with the family or sequestered in a seperate room? Then you have to ask yourself what kind of temperment you think you could deal with. For example Border Collies will not do very well if their owners cannot spend lots and lots of time with them. The same goes for australian shepards. These breeds (my favorite) demand lots of attentio ...
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O.K. To much conversation here, but here is simpliest think you can do. Next time use some other oil, non-green one...like Safflower oil. Make sure it has no color in it,or some other color other then green. Mix it with RED GF, of dont use it at all,if you can drink it....or lets say, mix it with a bit of Coca Cola, if you can digest it alone. As a beginer, I would strongly recommend you to use Epsom Salt, to relax you bile ducts...But again...if you don’t want it,..well it is your do decide. And then come tell us what you think about that and those so called it soaps? H ...
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I sent some stones for analysis and the results back said no evidence of being gall stones. I find it infuriating that I have passed hundreds of green stones and then I have liver function, cholesterol tests and my stones analysed and I am told everything is normal. Am I going mad? Will I be seeing little green men soon and be taken away by some oh so sweet doctors in white coats?! Any similar stories or comments please. http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=170&i=608 First off I did not mean to question your or anyone else’s beliefs on where stones come from. I only pointed out ...
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Anything passing rapidly through the small and large intestines will contain bile salts which are predominately green in color. Color is not a good indication of the origin of the stones.   [End]
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Hi happytype, you might want to post your question on the AIDS alternatives forum. Some recent requests for responses from cured patients have gone unanswered as well as requests for successful protocols. You might be the lucky one!   [End]
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I am sorry no one has answered your question and I am also sorry that I cannot do so either. I have the same questions and I was also wondering why if the passed stones dissolve outside the body why they don’t do so in the body? I also do a lot of butchering on our farm and know the size of the lvier and gallbladder and wonder how some people can pass so many stones that it would exceed the volume of the gall bladder and liver? Can anyone help us answer these questions? thanks!   [End]
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Hey Grog, For what its worth have you considered a biopsy or the Fibrospect test to see what if any liver damage you do have? Knowing that you have both HCVand work in an industry which exposes you to solvents would seem to me to warrant closer surveliance of your liver. I have a friend who is a 5 year transplant survivor. Her enzymes were always a little elevated and after awhile they went to normal or near normal. The docs told her she was doing fine but 30 days later she was in the ER with a varices bleedout...almost died. Found out the reasons she had normal enzymes is that her ...
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toxemia and pre-eclampsia are not the same thing. Hope this helps: http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/clinics/default.ihtml?step=4&pid=2282 What are pre-eclampsia and pregnancy-induced hypertension? Pre-eclampsia and pregnancy-induced hypertension are the most common blood pressure problems in pregnancy. They can only occur in pregnancy and will resolve within a few weeks or months of delivery. They represent two forms of the same disorder. When the high blood pressure is combined with abnormally high levels of protein in the urine, this is called pre-eclampsia. The protein in the uri ...
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”This all raises a lot of questions. Like, how come this study group had so many heart attacks, and why are the general public on vioxx not having that many, or did they allready have a heart attack or stroke?” The data from the recently stopped clinical trial supported data from earlier trials which showed in 2003 that long-term usage of vioxx led to a increased risk of heartattack and/or stroke due to clot formation. In any case patients, from all indications, would have to be on the drug for a period of at least 18 months before this risk is realized. This was not a case of isolat ...
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