I think I read somewhere that Chanca Piedra affects hormones and not to use it if you are trying to become pregnant. Also, some female users of statin drugs notice they start experiencing menopausal systems even though they have gone through menopause. Since these drugs change liver function I would guess there is a connection somewhere. [End]
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I’ve been planning to do a kidney cleanse for a while, but I decided to do a liver flush in about a week and a half. Should I wait to do the kidney cleanse since it just seems like a good idea as opposed to having symptoms? (I’m going to use the tea recommended by Andreas, through presentmoment.com) Thanks!
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I also love the Sensible Health tinctures and highly recommend them. Downfall, when you took both the GCG and CB at the same time, did you take them both literally at the same time? (like a tablespoon of GCG followed by a teaspoon of CB?) And can you keep us posted on your experience with Chanca Piedra...I’ve been thinking about trying that too. [End]
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I just skipped about a month and a half and while I’m a little sore, I’m nowhere near where I was when I first started. In a normal week, I only do them 5-6 times anyway. [End]
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I’ve done 7 flushes so far and have felt varying degrees of nausea - once I actually did throw up, but usually it’s just some slight nausea that still allows me to fall back asleep. I keep Altoids near the bed to deal with it. Some nausea might be unavoidable since you’re releasing so many toxins...but it should be manageable, so go for it!
Laura [End]
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Hi Katie! I’m flushing tonight - I’ll try taking Oxypowder and see how it goes. I’m not ready to do the Coke thing...yet. I was wondering, does the caffeine keep you awake? It’s hard to imagine drinking some caffeine before bed.
Laura [End]
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It’s been primarily brown in color for me, which I guess lends to my doubts since I was expecting it to be much darker. I also wonder how the Colonix jarred it loose when P& B shakes didn’t or how the mp came even after using Oxypowder for a while...so many mysteries. : )
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I keep asking myself the same question! I’ve been on Colonix since 9/1 and it seems like every day since the 2nd week or so, I’ve been passing stuff that looks like mucoid plaque. It’s not as dark as I expected, but it’s rubbery and has a bad smell , especially if you try to pull it apart. Only on CureZone can I admit something like that! :)
I waver between being sure and unsure if it’s mucoid plaque and I wonder when it might end. It didn’t pass when I was bingeing and eating badly, though. I hope others will share their experiences with us.
Laura [End]
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I have some liquid CLO from Carlson with a ”great lemon taste”, but frankly, I can’t stand it! I’ve managed to sneak it into my carrot and parsley cleansing salad, but that’s it. Even that’s not so good, and I know the oil is not rancid.
Since I know Carlson is a good brand, I went ahead and bought some in capsule form - that’ll have to do. I have about half a bottle of the liquid left and I’ll try to finish it up slowly.
Just my experience...I feel your pain! :)
Laura [End]
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I was thinking about that whole inches versus weight thing this morning, so I measured myself - the measurements were the same for my waist, but I had put on an inch on my hips! (I don’t even bother with my bust - it’s always big and saggy)
The weight going to my hips/butt just lends support to my theory of being estrogen dominant - which is basically why I’m cleansing and flushing in the first place. Grrrrrrr. But I’ll hang in there and keep doing what I’m doing and maybe sometime soon I’ll have a breakthrough!
Laura [End]
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I try not to focus on my weight, but inevitably I do. I’ve averaged weighing 2-4 pounds more than I did before I started my latest cleansing efforts. (I have allowed for fluctuations in weight due to PMS and period.) My diet is improved and consistent from month to month.
From the end of June to August, I did 2 liver flushes and used Dr. Schulze’s, then Oxypowder for a while. During my 3 weeks in India in August, I just took some Triphala a few times. I started Colonix on September 1st and have done 3 successful liver flushes since then. I’ve also taken lecithin and Livatone Plu ...
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I did my fifth liver flush over the weekend. I do a flush with one dose of epsom salt at about 5:00 and berries and cream a couple of hours later. I use safflower oil with grapefruit juice. During my last three flushes, I woke up about 4 hours after drinking the oil mixture feeling nauseous, but it passed. This time, it didn’t pass and I vomited. I can’t imagine much I hate more than vomiting, but I admit I felt okay after it was over...just had a sore throat for several hours.
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It sounds normal to me...my period lately takes a day or two to rev up and really come out. It wasn’t always like that, but that’s how it goes now. I’m interested in what Shelley will say.
Laura [End]
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I definitely agree that it’s too much estrogen based on my own experience - but I also think that you have to really work on the bowel and liver for the natural progesterone cream to have an effect. I used the cream for 4-5 months last year and it did nothing to lessen any of my PMS symptoms (breasts, moods, cravings, etc.).
I’m going for liver flush #5 tomorrow which I hope will be my breakthrough flush in terms of PMS, because I’m still suffering big time. I hope every flush is the one...hopefully sooner rather than later I’ll be right. :)
Laura [End]
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I’m sure I’m guilty of not chewing them enough, but should I be concerned about it at all or can I just chew better and write it off as one of those things?
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Can my digestion decide not to work for only one type of food? I’ve noticed that when I eat apples, they come out in pieces, maybe 7-8 hours later...that doesn’t happen with anything else that I’ve noticed (and I *have* been studying my stools for several months now! LOL) - except the usual suspects like corn.
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Hi Shelley! I thought I’d keep using Livatone Plus and keep liver flushing at least once a month to try to get my estrogen under control. BTW, the increased protein and salt have helped my sweet cravings a lot! I’m eating too much, but am happy not to spin out of control with sugar. Anyway, I read one of your posts recommending Fem-Mate and now I’m a little confused. At this point, I was thinking that I should get the liver going and then take the Fem-Mate - or will the Fem-Mate help as much as the Livatone Plus?
Thanks as always,
Laura [End]
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It happens the same way every month, life is great for about 14 days, then hell starts breaking loose. If I was put in a room on the first day of my menstrual cycle with no idea of days passing, I could tell you with almost 100% accuracy when the 14th day arrived.
Today is day 15 of my cycle and I’m barely hanging in there. For the first two weeks, my diet was fantastic - last week was my 4th liver flush and it went well. I have been using Colonix for just over a month. Every day, I take LivatonePlus, 2 tablespoons of lecithin, 1 teaspoon of cod liver oil, 1 tablespoon of Caprol (un ...
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I drank the cleansing drink faithfully for three days - just once a day, but they probably were almost 30 oz each (I think!) I woke up this morning with a cold sore in the middle of my lower lip - yuck! I read in the FAQs that the lemon might cause this, though I have some lemon in water almost everyday. I’m happy to report that I’ve been using coconut oil on it and that is helping alot!
I also had a lot of mucous yesterday - out my nose, in my throat and in my bm too - it’s not happening today. Do you think this was the cleansing drink too? I guess it’s more powerful than I though ...
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Hi Shelley! I feel ready, but I haven’t done as much prep work as my previous liver flushes. I want to flush Friday night/Saturday, which will be exactly 2 weeks from my last flush.
I’ve been taking 2 tablespoons of lecithin a day for about a month and have been taking Livatone Plus for just over 3 weeks now...though sometimes I end up with half a dose a day (2 tablets, instead of 4 total). In addition, by Friday, I will have completed 3 days of malic acid (about 1200 mg), 5 days of carrot cleansing salad, 4 days of an apple a day, 3 days of liquid phos (just once a day), 3 days of ...
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I figured out I could sneak a teaspoon of cod liver oil (Carlson’s lemon flavored) into my carrot cleansing salad, but I’m still not sure what I can do to the kefir. I’ve been eating it with berries for breakfast, but I don’t have berries all the time. I’m looking for something very simple - something to cover some of its sourness. I’ve used it in a cold vegetable salad, but I need something easy and quick to do on a regular basis. I’m hoping eventually I’ll get used to the taste, but until then, any suggestions? Thanks!
Laura [End]
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Hi Shelley! Last week at this time I started passing MP and was about to do a liver flush, my third. I’m happy to say that the planets causing nausea, etc. didn’t interfere with my flush. I was able to give myself an enema on both Thursday & Friday before the flush and Saturday after.
It’s interesting how each flush is different. This time, I had dark green stones and a lot of chaff. I had a bit of nausea about 4-5 hours after drinking the oil mixture, but I ate an Altoid, reminded myself that it had passed quickly during flush #2 and went to bed. All in all, very painless. I’ll ...
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I second the suggestion of safflower oil...I’ve used it twice now with good results. It’s light and blends well with the grapefruit juice.
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Hi Shelley and everyone - I’ve been on Colonix since 9/1, I did my first castor oil pack yesterday (and again today), I passed my first mucoid plaque ever today and I’m planning a liver flush tomorrow...whew!
While I’m beyond thrilled that I actually passed MP (good thing I pushed it around in the toilet, it was a medium brown color, not dark, otherwise I wouldn’t have know it was MP, even though it had a horrendous smell) - I’m concerned that the MP hanging out in my colon will effect my liver flush - like prevent the toxins from leaving my body. I’ve been in the bathroom quite often ...
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”Kichadi has a ”kid” type i, ah for the a, dee. It’s also called Kicharee depending on whether you’re in North or South India. :)”
The Bengalis (in West Bengal - east in India) call it khichri...I wondered where the ”d” came from - thanks for clearing this up for me! :)
Laura
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Hi Shelley and all! I’m back from my trip to India -- I picked up some chywanaprash and other various stuff, but what I’m most excited about is the sea salt. We were driving along the Bay of Bengal and happened upon piles and piles of salt, so we stopped and got a few pounds for about one dollar.
But here’s my question: I’ve started on Colonix today and wondered if I can add their fiber mix to the protein shake. Today I just had the mix and added some cinnamon for taste to rice milk. It would be great to take it all together - or at least a couple of items.
Thanks!
Laura [End]
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I decided to use safflower oil on my last flush (my 2nd) because I use olive oil at lot with food and didn’t want to associate it with a bad experience. I got the idea from alkalizingkatie, who also used it right before I did. It’s pretty tasteless and I will definitely use it again...and yes, I got lots of big stones. Have a great flush!
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And I just remembered, I tried kefir for the first time today - at first I was a bit freaked out because I didn’t realize it was semi-thick - but I liked it pretty well. I ate it with blackberries, was that okay? I’m still getting the hang of this combining thing, but I thought Shelley’s post on ”A Cure for All Cravings” said you could eat it with blueberries. BTW, Shelley, you should put that post in your FAQs...it really helped me put quantities and types of food in perspective.
Laura [End]
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I discovered that I have wasted at least 35 years of my life hating beets. I bought some today, cut one and cautiously took a bite -- it was great!!!! My mom and grandma loved beets, but they must have been the pickled kind. I ate it raw and crispy, then threw it into the food processor and added it to my carrot and parsley salad. Yum!
I also am grateful to have tried grade B maple syrup. I made the cleansing drink last night and it was too strong and overpowering. I did it today with the maple syrup and it was much better - although I’ve found that 8 oz of water isn’t nearly enou ...
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I did about 2 weeks, maybe a little more of Parastroy and saw/felt nothing, so I stopped taking it. Maybe I didn’t have parasites...I’m going to do Colonix soon, so I guess I’ll know for sure then since the parasite cleanse is part of it.
Laura [End]
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Hi Shelley! I did a liver flush on 7/9 and after that I experienced pain/aches in my middle back. A couple of days later when I posted, you said it could be my kidneys and gave me a bunch of suggestions like parsley tea, etc. that I have been doing. I have watched my urine frequency and color and everything is normal.
The pain/aching I have seems to travel and change - many times I’m pretty sure I am feeling stressed, like when I’m sitting at my computer. Sometimes I feel a sharper pain, sometimes a dull ache. At times it’s my middle back, other times it’s on the side of my rib cag ...
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--If you have to get up in the middle of the night to urinate, consider doing stronger intervention or going for two weeks instead of one.--
Shelley, why is this? My husband and I both get up in the night to go to the bathroom and I thought this was normal. If you’re drinking a lot of water/liquids during the day, it makes sense to me.
Also, can you drink cranberry juice with food or does it have the same restrictions as fruit does? It’s difficult to coordinate my eating and drinking! :)
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I know exactly what you mean...I bought some yesterday and am probably drinking one part cranberry to about 20 parts water!! And I *like* sour stuff!
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My husband is Indian, so we’re going to see some family and do a lot of traveling. I’ve been once before about a year and a half ago, but that was not enough traveling and too many relatives! Last time, I bought tons of triphala, yeast medications (I was still on the Pill then) and even ”prescribed” myself some prescription anti-fungals - it’s *so* much cheaper there for herbs and medications. Time to stock up again...just the herbal stuff this time! :)
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Hi Shelley,
For my possible kidney issues, I tried some parsley tea as you suggested yesterday - not bad - it’s weird because the ”recipe” I saw said you could add honey or something sweet and I added a speck of salt (it is a vegetable after all!) Instead of throwing away the seeped parsley, I added it to my lunch. I also bought some cranberry juice (the real stuff). I feel like I have too many types of things to drink! I guess there’s something to be said about variety. :)
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-make sure to add lecithin to your diet frequently-
How frequently is frequently?? I LOVE lecithin and lately have been having one tablespoon in the morning and one or two mid-afternoon. Once I was craving sweets in the evening and ate two tablespoons mixed with cinnamon - yum! But I’ve been concerned about the amount I would like to take and have been holding back. I, too, have liver and estrogen issues.
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Okay, I’ll wait...I looked up parsley tea and it looks like I can just add fresh leaves to some boiling water - will this work? So far my urine has been normal. I’ll stop at a health food store on Wednesday - should I pick up some Planetary Fomula Bupleurum Liver Cleanse or something else? I do have some liquid phos and malic acid around. What do you think? Thanks again!!!
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I only took the Oxy before the flush and yes, I ate (and enjoyed!) the berries and cream...I just don’t do well not eating for long periods.
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I did my second Oxypowder flush Friday/Saturday...thanks to Katie, I used safflower oil and it was tasteless!! I’ll probably never drink grapefruit juice again outside of a flush, but then that’s not something I drank before anyway. :) I only did one dose of ES at 5:00 - only because I was starving and hoped it would screw up my stomach or something. I woke up about 4 hours after I took the so/gf mix and felt really nauseous, but hung in there and didn’t throw up.
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Katie - congrats! I think I might do safflower oil too. I like oo okay, but since I use it alot, I’d rather not associate it with flushing. I’m still on for Friday/Saturday. How do you feel physically/emotionally today?
Pink - any stones yet?
What did you both do for prep?
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Katie, I can’t wait to hear about how it works out using the Oxypowder instead of ES - I’m planning to flush Friday and may follow your lead.
Sorry you didn’t like the raspberries...that’s what I had for breakfast today. I love them! I’m going to try to get some creme fraiche for Friday - though I might think of ice cream if it works out for you and Pink.
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You have a lot of things to deal with and my best advice is to choose one and act on it. It’s too difficult to do everything at once, as you well know, and you end up doing nothing.
Over five years ago, I finally quit smoking...I was also at about 2 packs a day. I had tried quitting numerous times, but each time I quit, I started gaining weight so I started smoking again. Finally I decided weight be damned, I was going to quit. I put on about 30 pounds, but for me, it was the only way I could concentrate on not smoking.
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In the FAQ, Shelley says to take between 1,000 and 2,000 mg of malic acid a day...I bought some that are 600 mg each - should I take one three times a day on an empty stomach? I think that’s more or less the way I took the liquid phos last time. Does it have to be on an empty stomach? Thanks!
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My throat is sore, apparently due to nasal drip, and I am leaving to go to Seattle for the long weekend...what can I do?? So far, I don’t feel too bad, but I’d hate for it to get worse.
I took some EmergenC - I can’t say I much like it or the CalMag Fizz either - can I add them to some diluted juice or anything else? They both remind me of AlkaSeltzer cold medicine - yuck!
What else aside from getting enough sleep can I do to stave off this cold? Thanks!
Laura [End]
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When I did my first flush Friday (the Oxypowder one), I took a dose of ES at 2:00 and one at 5:00 - before I even took the second dose, I was in the bathroom and by the end of the day, my anus was very sore - Shelley, was this due to the ES? If it was, then I’d say if it has worked without it, why bother?
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You’re right, Katie, in the grand scheme of binges, mine yesterday was pretty pathetic!! Thanks for putting it in perspective!
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...but there was some justice in that. Last night some powerful cravings overtook me and I ended up eating 3 mini ice cream sandwiches! Grrrrrr...I’d been doing so well and really can’t find a cause for it.
My period is going to start any second, but I couldn’t think of anything in my meal that might have provoked the binge. I had simple foods - about a half a chicken breast with chimichurri sauce, basmati rice stir fried in coconut oil and green beans and garlic also stir fried in coconut oil. When I felt it coming on, I ate some ground flax seed in rice milk, but that didn’t sta ...
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Hi Cat...today I had my *second* protein shake...it’s great!!! I added two tablespoons of ground flax seeds to it today and like Katie said further in the thread, a lot of it stuck to the sides. I was in a hurry, so I dumped it - but I did think of adding more rice milk to get it all out. I think I liked it better yesterday without the flax, but overall I love it!
I also made a cleansing salad - primarily carrots and parsley - I brought out the food processor and started working...why didn’t I think of it sooner?? The salad reminded me of tabouleh...same idea.
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Hi CAT - It’s great to hear all the positive changes that have happened to you...I hope I’m on my way too. I’ll be flushing on the 9th - unless my husband comes up with some major thing we have to do the next day which he better not. He’s not exactly supportive of all this detox, etc. I waited until he went out of town on business to flush for my first time...just seemed easier, though I told him I was doing it. It’s kind of ironic since he’s from India -- you’d think he’d be more open. At least he’s a great cook and not into the standard American diet.
Laura [End]
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I thought that heavy cream had some enzymes in it, but I couldn’t find anything definitive on that. I did see ice cream mentioned in one of the liver flushes mentioned here on curezone (see link below) It seems like people adjust/change various things with their flushes and many times they turn out well. Bodes well for ice cream lovers!
Laura http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/kelley.asp
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You only take two doses of ES (okay, that *is* two too many!) - I guess the Oxypowder is used to clear the way initially. I took the SuperPhos, but it was my first flush and I didn’t have anything on handand had to buy something.
I’m going away for the 4th of July weekend and that Monday is when I’m supposed to start the SuperPhos for my next flush, but I was planning on getting some malic acid to take with - don’t want to cart around a bottle of liquid. As long as you are taking something to break up the stones, you should be okay.
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Thanks...I’ve read her site and plan to try her tinture. I’m waiting to see if things will change once my liver is cleared somewhat. Here are some of the things I’m hoping will lessen with the flushes: PMS related starting at mid-cycle - severe food cravings (sweets and junk), painful breasts, mood swings, kind of a feeling of paranoia, irritability, etc. Other stuff: vertical lines (rather, furrow!) between eyes, cellulite, eye infections - that’s all I can think of now. Everything I complain about seems to point back to the liver.
Laura [End]
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Not Hanna, but I just did this flush Friday - I used 3/4 to 1 cup (I’m not much for measuring!) of grapefruit juice because I just couldn’t imagine taking oil with water!! I was pleasantly surprised by the taste - I used a large straw like Asian restaurants use for juice drinks with tapioca and it went down fast.
Laura [End]
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I just did the Oxypowder liver flush (my first flush ever!) and it went great...I loved that you could eat in the evening (berries & cream) and that you didn’t have to wake up and drink epsom salt solutions. I followed the plan completely, but drank the epsom salts with grapefruit juice.
I got a couple hundred yellow-green dull colored stones -- I think they were cholesterol -- and didn’t suffer any ill effects. I plan to do it again in 2 weeks and once more after that before I leave on vacation to India in August.
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I’m glad to hear someone else goes to bed early too! I actually decided to try this flush because I could eat a little (the berries and cream) and then I had seen a post somewhere where you said it worked for you. It’s always reassuring to hear a success story.
I’m going to flush on 6/25 - my first time! I’ll let you know how it goes.
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Johanna - I’m going to do the Oxypowder, etc. flush soon and I wondered at what time have you taken the oo/juice combo...all I’ve seen is ”before bed”. How many hours between the 7:00 berries & cream and the oo/juice? Thanks!
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I started OxyPowder last week and had a very rumbling stomach and lots of butt pee. I had to stop after 3 days (too many things going on) - while I didn’t take it for 2 days, my stools re-formed. I’m finishing it up now. I like this better than the fiber-based cleanses which tend to constipate me.
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It’s so hard to schedule this stuff!! LOL I will definitely do one on 6/25-26 when my husband goes out of town, but I’m hoping to sneak another one in two weeks before that. Thanks for everybody’s help!
Laura [End]
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Katie - How much triphala are you taking? I have some I had bought in India which says it’s 250 mg per capsule and you should take 1 caplet twice daily...seems like I’ve seen others mention a much higher dosage.
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I work in an office with plenty of opportunities to use the bathroom and only work from about 8:30 to 2:00, so I was wondering if I could do a liver flush and still go to work the next day. My head is spinning from all the different kinds of flushes and advice, but I haven’t seen much on how you feel that day. Right now, I’m using OxyPowder and going to the bathroom a lot...would a liver flush be much different? Thanks.
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Hi! I would like to do a liver flush, especially ever since I read one of Shelley’s posts a while back that said if you have a deep furrow between your brows, a liver flush would help! But I’m not sure how I can tell if I’m ready to do it.
I started my detox in mid-April with a couple of weeks of P&B shakes...all that did was really constipate me, so I tried Dr. Schulze’s IF 1 & 2 for another couple of weeks - this kept me moving (no mucoid plaque, but lots of bms.), but I didn’t care for the IF2. Then I read Raymond’s glowing recommendation for the Oxypowder and have been taking it ...
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Hi everyone...I’ve been reading everything I can on this site and think it’s great. I started drinking P&B shakes about 2 weeks ago and have managed to really get myself constipated. I cut way down on the psyllium, have taken herbal laxatives to get things moving again and am sure I’m drinking enough water - I feel a little better, but I think I should get a colonic.
PTree, if you’re reading this, do you think you could recommend somewhere I could go in Chicago for a colonic?
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Liver flush and kidney cleanse simultaneously?
Cleansing and weight gain
Discriminating digestion?
Products for liver and estrogen
Did the cleansing drink do this?
Second liver flush a success, but have questions n...
Fell off wagon, hurt myself!!