This has been my experience, too. I water fasted for 18 days about 9 years ago and at about day 4 I started to experience that low back pain and it kept up for about 5 days and then went away. Last week I started a water fast and on day 4 the same thing happened except for it was considerably worse and it extended to my thighs, too. I couldn’t sleep at all and by 3:30 am I decided to quit the fast and try it again later with modifications to avoid this problem if I could figure out what to do. I drank an antioxidant drink and after about 45 minutes my pain was somewhat relieved and I wa ...
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We have tried many things to get magnesium into the body, oral, rectal and IV administration, and now we have found something effective and cheap (the IV’s were incredibly expensive) that we think works as well as an IV. It is actually possible to get too much magnesium this way, so anyone who wants to try it should read this whole post carefully to see what cautions they need to take. For those in the Candida forum: I have come to the conclusion that candida depletes magnesium and if the person can get their magnesium levels up, most or all of their symptoms might go away. ...
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I disagree with Robli’s answer. It is extremely unlikely that you could overdose on magnesium oil. Also her recommendation of twice as much calcium as magnesium is not really correct, although it is seen all over. This idea was based on a paper where the writer of the paper said that the calcium/magnesium ratio for intake should NOT EXCEED 2:1 and for some reason this was taken by many to mean that it should BE 2:1. Calcium is important, though. If you are really deficient in magnesium the level of magnesium stored in your bones has become very low and so your body is trying to conserv ...
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One thing that is different about magnesium oil and sea minerals from other types of magnesium supplements is that they have calcium in them. It may be either that you already have too much calcium or the opposite - you may have so little calcium or not be able to absorb it in your digestive tract and so your body makes a lot of the enzymes that use calcium and a sudden rise, even if it is a little bit, causes symptoms as those enzymes go to town until they have time to adjust. In the first case you would want to avoid magnesium oil. In the second case you would want to gradually build up.
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We have been having problems with acetaldehyde in our family, whether it is from candida or from histamine producing bacteria it doesn’t matter, you still have to get rid of it or you will get symptoms. (Histamine produces another acetaldehyde when it is broken down.) I have finally succeeded in figuring out which vitamins are the real cofactors to get rid of acetaldehyde, (because there are so many aldehyde dehydrogenases) and you have to take some of them in surprisingly high amounts. Everyone who has candida should think about giving this a try to see if it help with their symptoms. ...
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I posted a while back about my son. He has now been off medications for almost 6 weeks and is doing great. He has had schizophrenia for 10 years, since he was 16 years old. I would like to post the supplements that we have found essential for him, although perhaps other people can get along without some of these supplements, I think it is best to use them all at first if you want to try them, and then try lowering the amounts after you are feeling well. There are 3 forms of niacin that you can take: regular niacin, which causes a flush, but if you build up to 2 or more grams 3 times a d ...
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Well, it may have an effect on the release of histamine from the mast cells, but I don’t believe that it blocks any of the histamine receptors or helps more histamine to be broken down. The histamine that causes my son’s symptoms isn’t coming from his mast cells, but from bacteria in his gut, so it isn’t having a direct effect on the histamine. I believe that it is making it so that less of the histidine in the food is available for the bacteria to make histamine with and I hope that it is killing the bacteria, too, but that will probably take a while.   [End]
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My husband has some keloid scars from a burn and we are using a mix of 50% SSKI and 50% DMSO on them. SSKI won’t really show on the skin because it isn’t brown like iodine. You can use it without the DMSO if you don’t have any but the DMSO is supposed to increase absorption. We just started a few days ago and I think the smaller scars have gotten a little less already, but it’s hard to tell.   [End]
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”there are assumed to be 15 drops per mL;” You really can’t assume that because not all droppers are the same. I counted the drops in my dropper and I got 75 drops per 1/2 teaspoon, or 30 drops per mL. When you make your own and put it into your own dropper bottle, you have to count the drops to figure out how much is in each drop.   [End]
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Oh, I wasn’t worried that the iodide could cause dysbiosis; he already has dysbiosis from taking antibiotics over two years ago. I was just wondering if the iodide was changing the tyrosine and histidine in the food and making it so that my son couldn’t use them. I am trying to get more information online about this. Unless he starts having some sort of problem from it I am not going to stop giving him the SSKI because he is doing just great with it right now. That’s a good idea about making yogurt with iodine. I think I will do some experimentation with SSKI and yogurt making, because ...
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So today we have discovered that even with a 1 gm dose first thing in the morning, he does much better if he takes 250 mg every time he eats. He had a couple pieces of bread (that I made, not store bread) at 11:00 am and within 20 minutes started to feel worse, as usual. Then after a while he was still feeling worse so I gave him 250 mg of SSKI and he soon felt normal again. I believe that this is because he has the problematic bacteria in his stomach or very high up in his intestine and if he takes 250 mg of SSKI either right before or with the food, it does something that stops or inhibi ...
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Yes, that was me. However, I don’t think his copper was as low as I had thought at that time. After having antibiotics that messed up his gut he was very fatigued for a year and a half but after a few months we learned that he had also had mono, so we thought at first that the fatigue was just from the mono. But then he started having food reactions when he never did before, so I knew that he had a leaky gut due to the antibiotics. So I thought it was candida and we were trying all kinds of candida cures (including iodide, but too low of a dose, I realize now) and also we were rotating ...
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His diet is very good. He doesn’t eat any processed foods and no sugar at all for well over a year. He also takes a lot of supplements to support all his processes.   [End]
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I’m so excited! It’s to early to tell for sure, but I think that SSKI is going to make my 17 year old son well from depression. Two and a half years ago my son had antibiotics several times in a row and ended up with gut dysbiosis and some sort of histamine producing bacteria which has been causing him to be depressed. I have a blog which explains what I think the mechanism is by which the histamine causes his depression (http://histaminenormalization.blogspot.com/) It also tells about how another son has schizophrenia and is doing well off medications with supplements. (If the SSKI wor ...
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You might want to try the salt and switch to SSKI and take a larger dose as ds2 suggested. Today my son took 1/2 teaspoon of sea salt followed by several glasses of water and then (after about 2 hours) he took a gram dose of SSKI, which he has been taking for several days and having some die off symptoms and not feeling too well, even with supplements to get rid of acetaldehyde (a lot of niacin and magnesium). Today less than an hour after the SSKI dose he started feeling really good for the first time in a while. In the past when we used small doses (of SSKI and Lugols) we were not ...
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I wonder if you are experiencing die off from candida or some other unfriendly intestinal resident. It seems like your dose is too small to cause die off, though, but maybe not. Candida die off definitely will give you fatigue and brain fog, because it releases acetaldehyde, but if you take some supplements to get rid of the acetaldehyde you can probably avoid that. Niacinamide 500-1000 mg, plus magnesium 200-400 mg plus vitamin C 1 gram are three supplements we have found essential for getting rid of acetaldehyde.   [End]
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It IS a recipe designed by Trapper. He explains all about it here: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1403313#i It’s SSKI with some iodine added because Trapper feels that when you take larger doses you don’t need so much extra iodine, but more iodide. It’s the iodine that is at about 2%, assuming that it all dissolves in the SSKI.   [End]
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I am having good success with supplements for my son after 10 years of his having schizophrenia. Here is part of what I have written about it on my blog: It is interesting that the orthomolecular doctors discovered that niacin helped people with schizophrenia way back several years before SAMe was discovered in the 1950’s! They developed a protocol that helped many people, but since they didn’t really understand how it was working, they didn’t realize the importance of magnesium and left it out of their protocol. This comes into the story of Jon (not his real name), our son who has s ...
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I have been using this with my son and I have to add that a lot of people will need extra magnesium for this to work. It’s just that some people have magnesium in their water and others don’t and the ones who don’t will need to take it as a supplement. I have written all about it on my blog: http://histaminenormalization.blogspot.com/2013/12/schizophrenia.html It also explains why the paleo diet helps (because histamine producing gut bacteria are draining the body of what it needs to get rid of dopamine.) You have to read earlier posts in order to completely understand the schizophr ...
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My son has problems with histamine producing gut bacteria, and we have found out how to deal with it. The DAO and HNMT enzyme pathways can deal with your histamine if you take supplements so that they have the cofactors they need. Here is a list of the cofactors: Niacinamide (if you don’t have enough niacin the product of DAO, which is an aldehyde, builds up and causes a negative feedback loop which inhibits DAO production. When this happens people think they can’t make DAO when really they can. You have to take 500-2000mg three times a day with meals depending on how much histamine ...
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To get rid of adrenaline you need niacin. This is because the COMT enzyme pathway that gets rid of adrenaline needs SAMe and niacin to work. Try taking 500 mg of niacinamide before you go to bed and see if that helps. It should help with the SAMe levels, too, because it helps get rid of excess histamine, too, assuming that you have enough B6 and vitamin C for the DAO enzyme pathway.   [End]
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Actually, I was just studying some more about this, and I think that the niacin is a cofactor in the second step of the COMT pathway, too, not actually for the first step, which is COMT. I would imagine that there is a feedback loop in that pathway, too. These are similarities in the metabolism of neurotransmitters, since histamine and adrenaline are both neurotransmitters.   [End]
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I have read that the niacin flush is caused by the capillaries opening wider, and the increase in blood flow allows the body to release more toxins that are stored in the cells and it is the released toxins that cause the itching and I guess in your case the hives. If you take niacinamide that shouldn’t be a problem, but you should keep in mind that this just might be a sign that you have a lot of toxins stored in your cells. If you take care of your histamine so that you have enough SAMe all day your body will probably start working on getting rid of those toxins and I wouldn’t be surpris ...
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This is because the enzyme that degrades adrenaline, the enzyme COMT, requires niacin as a cofactor. It actually requires two things: SAMe and niacin, and giving niacin helps with both of those things. I think that some people here might be interested in knowing why, so I will explain, because I think it also explains one of the underlying contributors to adrenal fatigue and how people with adrenal fatigue can improve their condition even more by just taking niacin more than once a day. By the way, I think you should be able to get the same effect using niacinamide without getting the f ...
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Thank you! Thank you! Now I know why my son has been having trouble the last few days. I thought that copper was only important in histamine reduction due to its part in DAO but I was wondering why the vitamin C I was giving him hasn’t been helping him as much this past week and it must be because I let up on giving him copper! I won’t bother to explain the whole story, but he has high histamine because of gut dysbiosis and somewhat low copper due to taking lots of vitamin C for a long time.   [End]
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Depression can be caused by a variety of factors, so my comments here will not apply to everyone who is depressed, but I want to share them because they should be helpful for some people. These comments and theories are based on my experience with my husband and my son with a lot of research that I did on the internet. These comments will be much more likely to apply to a person who has trouble remembering their dreams (unless they take melatonin for sleep) than a person who usually remembers their dreams. Warning: You should not take 5-htp if you are on drugs for depression because it ...
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This is an old post, but I would like to relate our experience in order to help those who may read it in the future. I gave my son large amounts of vitamin C over a long period of time and inadvertently caused him to develop a copper deficiency. As long as I was giving him a multi with 2 mg of copper he was OK, but then I started using one that didn’t have copper and he became very deficient. So when you are taking a lot of C it is a good idea to take copper, too. And if you take C to bowel tolerance often, I think 4 mg of copper a day would be wise unless you know that you already have to ...
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I want to update this now because since my son took 6 mg of copper yesterday, his bowel tolerance has dropped dramatically. I have also learned that vitamin C gets rid of histamine through a different pathway from DAO so it looks like as long as he has enough B6 (we are going down to 100 mg a day now) and copper (we are going down to 2 mg a day) then he will be able to make enough DAO to get rid of the histamine without needing huge amounts of vitamin c.   [End]
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That’s MTHFR. Sorry about the typo.   [End]
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I wasn’t saying that I thought mold wasn’t an issue. If I gave that impression I didn’t mean to. I was just saying that there could be gut dysbiosis involved and telling you what helped us in case it might help you, too. I was basing that on an older post you made a while back that seemed to indicate gut issues. These types of problems ARE very confusing because usually there are a number of things contributing and it is like working out a puzzle to figure out what those things are. For instance, I knew my son had gut dysbiosis, but I didn’t know for over a year that he also has an MY ...
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With liposomal C how would you know if you were intolerant to the C or to the liposomes, which are usually made from soy? Even regular C is usually made from corn, but people who have problems with corn are usually aware of that and they realize that they are reacting to the corn and not the C.   [End]
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I saw your other posts and I would suggest that you might have gut dysbiosis creating high levels of histamine. My son has this and we are using GAPS diet to deal with the problem. When your gut is messed up you start having all kinds of health problems and reactions to foods and other things that you never had before. Your body can’t make enough DAO enzyme to deal with all that histamine because you don’t have enough of the co-factors so taking large amounts of vitamin C to nearly bowel tolerance and large amounts of B6, 100 to 200 mg a day or until you have vivid dreams, and perhaps 2-4 ...
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We are going through this now and find that large amounts of vitamin C to almost bowel tolerance, plus 100 -200 mg of B6 a day is a huge help with the production of DAO and lowering histamine levels. We just started copper so I can’t report on that, but I am hoping that if the copper and B6 levels are high enough we won’t need so much vitamin C.   [End]
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I know this is an old post but high histamine can be caused by bad bacteria in the gut which produces it and when you take coconut oil it kills the bad bacteria releasing large amounts of histamine in a die off and increases symptoms and the body is making adrenaline to deal with the histamine leading to panic attacks. The problem is that you probably don’t have enough co-factors for diamine oxidase, or DAO, the enzyme that neutralizes histamine in the gut, to take care of all the histamine. If you take enough B6 to have vivid dreams, probably in the 100 to 200 mg a day range, and maybe so ...
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I have posted here before about how vitamin C helps my son’s depression but now I have more information and we have figured out how to overcome his symptoms and some people here might be helped by the same method. Our son, now 17, was on antibiotics multiple times over 2 years ago which messed up his gut bacteria, leading to depression. It has taken 2 years to figure out the answers, but we have learned that the organisms that are growing in his gut are producing histamine, and they release huge amounts of histamine when they die off from certain probiotics or oil of oregano, etc, causing ...
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We are using the GAPS diet fr our son. This means that he can’t have any starchy foods but he can have fruit and homemade yogurt. Every time we try to introduce potatoes or bread he gets worse after about 3 weeks and we have to go through all the die off again to get back where he was.   [End]
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It means that you have a different candida, such as candida krusei. There are quite a few candida varieties.   [End]
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Was that the first time you took diflucan? Is anxiety a symptoms of your yeast infection? Do you get it with die off? You could try taking vitamin C to bowel tolerance and see if that helps your anxiety. It could help the fever, too.   [End]
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That can be done, but I had ready contradictory statements about whether oregano killed the good bacteria in the gut and I know that it kills bacillus subtilus (not really a gut bacteria) so I thought this would be a good experiment to help throw some light on the situation. I realize that it doesn’t tell us the effect of oregano on other good bacteria, but I have read emphatic statements online saying that it will wipe out your good gut bacteria, and after this experiment, I doubt that that is completely correct.   [End]
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Today I checked a few of the samples and tasted the yogurt at the bottom that appeared to be uncontaminated by the top layer and I found that the oregano seems to be permeating through the yogurt. In the samples with larger numbers of drops it tasted VERY strongly of oregano. So it looks like the Oreganol does not kill the lactobacillus in my strain of yogurt at least.   [End]
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The question of whether oil of oregano kills the good bacteria in the intestines has been on my mind lately so I decided to try adding it in various amounts to my yogurt before incubating it to see if it would prevent the lactic acid formation which thickens the yogurt. The results surprised me. I used regular strength Oreganol. I heated raw milk up to 110 degrees and added my mother culture in the usual amount and mixed it in. I poured out 1/2 cup at a time and added 0 to 30 drops of Oreganol in increments to eight 1/2 cup containers and shook them vigorously. I put them in the incuba ...
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I know I’m not the one being asked but I think I will chime in to say that you are being drugged, poisoned if you prefer that word. Sounds like you have a bad case of candida to me. Have you tried taking vitamin C to bowel tolerance to see if it will help you with your symptoms? That helps my son with his depression and brain fog from candida, but it might not help if you are eating starches and refined sugars. I hope from what you have said that you are not. The vitamin C won’t kill the candida, but it might help your symptoms become more tolerable while you figure out how to deal with it ...
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Another note: Not everyone can take 15 grams of vitamin C at a time. Each person is different. Some people might only need 2 or 3 grams at a time. You can read all about finding bowel tolerance in this forum if you do a search.   [End]
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I posted a while back about how I felt that St. John’s Wort was helping my son’s depression (caused by candida). Now I am pretty sure that although perhaps the St. John’s Wort was helping, the main help was really vitamin C that he took with the St. John’s Wort. Checking old posts I have found two other people who have found that vitamin c taken to or nearly to bowel tolerance is helpful in reducing certain symptoms of candida. “The other night I decided to up my dose of vitamin c. ... My stomach was grumbling like I was hungry...a sensation I have not felt for a while. The next mo ...
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I know this is an old post but I want to comment on it in case someone else besides me is reading old posts about nystatin. I think that Jorge was misled because of the oral suspension part of the post. Notice that it is a powder so the oral suspension part just means that it is a powder meant to be taken orally as opposed to the powder that is only supposed to be used for topical purposes. It is actually the refrigerated powder that Jorge says is best. As for the amount of bitterness, my understanding is that as the powder ages and is exposed to more heat, such as room temperature as ...
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I think that around 6 million units per gram is not unusual from what I have read.   [End]
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Our experience with our son is that sauerkraut causes a great deal of die off for him when his candida levels are high and if he gradually works up to about a cup a day divided between meals, he feels much better. But this is while he stays on the GAPS diet, when he eats potatoes, etc, after a while the candida comes back. So in general we have found it to be helpful. This is kraut that I made myself, fermented for about 3 weeks so it has lots of living organisms in it.   [End]
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Borax is extremely alkaline, so it will irritate the lungs if you breath the powder. Taking it diluted and by mouth is completely different.   [End]
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This is an old post but I am answering in case someone does a search on it. My son gets very depressed from candida so each time we increase the dose of the various things such as kraut, oil of oregano, etc. that we are using to control the candida he gets depressed for a few days UNLESS he takes enough vitamin c to constantly keep himself near bowel tolerance. Vitamin C obliterates the depression that the candida toxins give him. Some days he has to take 50 or 60 grams spread out through the day. So although the vitamin C doesn’t do anything to kill the candida, it makes it possible for h ...
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An update on my son. We discovered that vitamin C to bowel tolerance, or almost to bowel tolerance keeps my son’s symptoms (depression from candida) under complete control, but only if he takes the vitamin C every 2 or 3 hours throughout the day. So now because of this we have been able to increase the sauerkraut gradually over the last 2 weeks and now he is eating over a cup a day and feeling good most of the time. He is also now able to eat potatoes moderately, but always with kraut; he loves kraut so that helps. I make the kraut myself. So some other people might find that die off i ...
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I think most people who have gut dysbiosis have a problem with candida but other organisms can be involved also. Probably your protocol has helped already with the candida overgrowth and that’s why you feel better. You have pretty classic symptoms. I wouldn’t say that Candida is the root cause, we all have candida. It’s things like taking antibiotics or steroids or some other types of drugs and eating too many sweets and processed foods that are the real root causes that makes the candida turn to the fungal form and take over. There are a quite a number of things that can lead to gut dysbi ...
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The GAPS diet was the only thing that helped my son until we discovered another issue that he had and fixed that. He went off GAPS for a month in January, but now we are back on because it is clear that his candida was not cleared up, just subdued. Now we are using the GAPS diet with the McCombs’ plan (See Ask the Candida Expert forum). I think the McCombs’ plan diet doesn’t work as well for us as the GAPS. But the undeclyenic acid helps to clear the candida with less die off symptoms, I think. The sauerkraut from the GAPS diet gives our son terrible die off so we are going to leave it out ...
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Thanks, I have been giving him HCL, but sporadically, I’ll try to be more regular about it.   [End]
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Our now 16 year old son was suffering from extreme fatigue. after having had several rounds of antibiotics, followed by mono, then he started having food sensitivities, so I knew he must have candida and after trying several other things for candida we tried the plan about 8 months ago, and we didn’t see any difference in his tiredness, so we thought the plan wasn’t working. Since then we have discovered that his fatigue was caused by a lack of the proper form of folate, since we now know that he has the mthfr 677 gene mutation and taking methylfolate has solved the fatigue problem. No ...
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Vitamin C in doses large enough will keep the bowels moving. The amount is different for different people, but 4-8 grams will usually work unless someone has a cold or something that makes them need more vitamin C. Don’t take a lot of vitamin C on a full stomach or you might get bloating. When I take large doses I like to do it first thing in the morning and wait for a half hour or so before I eat anything. Sea minerals also work and also some mineral supplements work. A regular dose won’t do anything but keep adding more until you get the effect you want. I don’t think there are a ...
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St. John’s Wort is probably most well known for it’s helpfulness in mild to moderate depression, but it has been found not to be effective in severe depression. Here is our experience so far with this and my thoughts, which I am posting because I am hoping that they will be helpful to others who are suffering from depression or candida or both. Our 16 year old son has a candida overgrowth, and we have recently realized that his symptom from the candida is depression, which was formerly masked by extreme fatigue, but now we have found and corrected the source of the fatigue (a folate pr ...
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UGN doesn’t have undecylenic acid, it has calcium undecylenate, which needs an acid environment to work well. I haven’t been able to find any products with undecylenic acid except Candida Force and SF722, the other ones all seem to have calcium undecylenate.   [End]
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I called Thorne last week to ask when sf722 would be available and I was told that it would be available sometime in April, so I imagine that Candida Force will be available at the same time. However, I guess that before they were saying that it would be available in March and now they say April, so I am not holding my breath. I was very thankful that I was able to find 4 bottles for sale on Craigslist, but not in my area, but the seller was willing to mail it to me because I offered to pay full price (she was offering it at a low price) and I paid by PayPal.   [End]
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My son was on Seroquel and he got off of it. You have to decrease it slowly down to 25 mg or even half a 25mg tablet. After a few days if you are doing OK on 12.5 mg then take 5-HTP which you can get at a health food store. Take 200mg on an empty stomach about a half hour before you plan to go to bed and that should help you to get to sleep. (It is much more effective if you haven’t eaten for about 3 hours before.) Our experience is that no matter how small a dose of Seroquel you have gotten down to, you will have trouble sleeping for a night or two when you quit if you don’t take somethin ...
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Where do you get your information that people with schizophrenia live longer than other people? I don’t think it is true. For one thing, the suicide rate is about 20 times as high as for the general population. Flax oil is very good and helpful but it does not help everyone, and certainly more is needed than just flax oil for most people. My son has taken Essenial Balance, which is a mixture of flax and some other nut and seed oils, for almost a year, plus a fish oil product, and as far as I can tell they haven’t helped his symptoms. But I will keep giving them to him because his essent ...
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