Diana, Have you tried either the expensive mag oil, or the cheaper one for $57 per gallon in order to compare them to the stuff you have made yourself? Thanks for the info. Scott   [End]
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There isn’t a whole lot of hope here ... if full blown PAS is occurring, then the only solution is to pull custody.   [End]
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I’m sorry fledgling, but you really don’t know what you are talking about. Your answers may be right on for normal divorce or partial alienation ... But in the case of full parental alienation, you are way off. The children just drop off the face of the earth ... never heard from again. Not by grandparents, cousins, aunts, uncles, and certainly not the parent. Gone with the Wind.   [End]
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This entire thread does not belong in this forum - maybe in the Webmaster Forum or something, but not here. And, just for the record, I do not agree with Charlie either, and I still do not know what he means by ”Herbal Physician” ... he better be very careful throwing that name around. Is he an Herbalist? Is he a Naturopath? Then why not use those titles? The use of the title Physician is legally reserved for practitioners with an MD, whether we agree or not.   [End]
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No, not really. A white toungue can be caused by any number of imbalances in the body, but MMS, either activated or unactivated will not ever cause it. I have been using it for four years, activated, unactivated, small doses and large, and that just does not happen. Also, all of the many, many others I know who have used it but with never a white toungue.   [End]
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There is no Natrium in NaClO2 ... the Na stands for Sodium, which is why the residual compound becomes NaCl, or salt, from the Sodium in the original compound.   [End]
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Bruce, You need to stop posting here ... multiple usernames are not permitted under the Curezone terms of service.   [End]
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The person who posts under the user name ”Biosafe” is in direct contact with regulatory agencies in the US, Europe and Australia in efforts to get access to a holistic protocol restricted or banned. Here is his own post: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1168815#i Please ban him from further access to Curezone.com . Scott   [End]
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Drinking a lot of pure, alkalized water is one of the keys to returning to health. As long as the kidneys are working ok, they will not swell ... and after a while, your cells will start to absorb more water. The two greatest single factors in optimal health are drinking a ton of pure, alkalizing water and eating an uncontaminated, green diet.   [End]
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That sounds entirely plausible, Tom. If by ”biofilm” you mean layers of mucuous, mucoid plaque, or other types of layered biological debris that builds up various places in the body, then I definitely agree. This is one of the ways in which ClO2 works. My own experience with ClO2 is that is broke up things like hardened plaque from the walls of the digestive tract, and deposits in the liver and gallbladder, as well as dislodging mucuous layers. I’m sure that there are pathogens within these various layers, especially within the mucoid plaque of the intestines and the deposits in the ...
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I understand about not wanting to ruin your taste for your favorite juices ... but as far as the other reason goes, taking MMS in juice, either fruit or vegetable, does NOT reduce its effectiveness at all. In fact, this is the actual protocol - to take it in a juice. And, for the record, taking a juice as a chaser just after taking MMS in water would have the same impact as taking the MMS IN the juice anyways.   [End]
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Sounds good ... but why not take your MMS right IN those drinks, so you never have to experience the horrible taste? Drinking fresh carrot juice, or a freshly blended carrot, right after you take MMS is NO different than putting the MMS right into the same juice and drinking them together. I think that MMS should just be taken right in a juice, just like Humble says ... it is way to gross to put in water. I used to take it in water with some wheat grass or other greens, but it kept turning us off, so we went to organic, no Vit C juice. The best way to go is to use a freshly juiced ...
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Acidified sodium chlorite is acidic on the ph scale, but alkalizing in the body. This is why it is beneficial to the body. Certain foods are like this also, including lemons, limes and white grapefruits - all acidic on the ph scale but alkalizing in the body. Acidity in the body is not only caused directly by the ph of what we eat or drink, but also by its effect on the body, particularly whether it encourages or discourages pathogens. Pathogens, along with their debris and wastes, are a very large factor in creating acids in the body ... consequently whatever decreases the pathogen ...
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Are you aware that it is against the Curezone terms of service to promote your own product? Most of your posts in this forum seem to contain promises, even if indirect, about your product, and throw into question the products and methods long-used in the forum. This is not the place for spam or self-advocacy. Let the users of your products speak for themselves. And exactly what do you mean by ”Herbal Physician”? Do you mean a Naturopathic Physician, or an MD who uses herbs, or an Herbalist?   [End]
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We have used all 3 protocols in our family, and I think they each have merit. You can actually use Humaworm at the same time that you are using MMS. If you are asking which one you should do, it is really up to you. I think that MMS has some added benefit that Humaworm does not have in terms of health benefits, so for $20 I would suggest that you try MMS myself.   [End]
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Dan, I understand how you feel, but people are not going to post copies of their blood tests here on Curezone, or anywhere on the net probably. It isn’t so much a matter of belief, as trial and error ... if you think a protocol has merit for you, then try it and see how your body reacts.   [End]
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I suspect that I am the only person responding to you who actually makes their own MMS - I first made it about 1.5 years ago before I ever read either of Humble’s books, and at that time I made 25% NaClO2 solution. Just recently I ran out, and I made more 28% solution, based upon Part 2 of Jim’s book. You can obtain NaClO2 80% tech grade from a number of sources - check out chemical supply companies. There is a wide difference in pricing among the different sources. Any valid chemical supply company, such as LabChem or Spectrum will have the genuine product, and you will not have t ...
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That may be Jim’s opinion, but this is not a healthy person by his own statement, and as someone who has been using sodium chlorite for over 4 years, I do not think that anyone take 50 drop doses of 28% NaClO2. You must use common sense here, and the sodium chlorite will cleanse the body over time when taken in steady and reasonable amounts.   [End]
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Mia asked some good questions: does the activated MMS turn yellow? does it have a ”chlorine” smell? Also, make certain you are not using any juice containing Vit C, or taking Vit C in proximity. You should drop back to 15 drops per dose, and NOT go any higher. You absolutely cannot just keep increasing the drops. If the answers to the above questions tell you that you do indeed have genuine MMS, then it will help clean you out over time; however, if you increase the drops like you are, you will end up getting very ill.   [End]
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The activated MMS should drop significantly in ph ... I have never actually measured mine, but it does read on the acidic side.   [End]
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Excellent post Turiya. I would even take it further ... or this may be included in what you are saying. The negativity that people so vehemently express in these debate forums is very largely an expression of the negative state of their health and spirits. They feel negative physically, and it expresses itself emotionally and intellectually. Or (and this is probably more often the case), the dis-ease or maladies they suffer from are outward (gross) manifestations of the emotional and intellectual negativity they host within themselves. Scott   [End]
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Personal attacks on these debate forums should not be tolerated, especially when they are the starting post on a thread. If there are questions or issues regarding a protocol, or claims, etc... they can be discussed without personal attack.   [End]
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MMS solution before activation should be quite alkaline. If you are measuring unactivated MMS at 4.5 then either you do not have actual MMS solution, your test strips are not working or you are not reading them correctly. After activation, the ph is reduced because of the reaction with the acid.   [End]
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Interesting little abstract of a study done where Sodium Chlorite solution was used to turn mercury into a water-soluble, oxidized form which can then be removed: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/117925116/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0   [End]
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Ananda, I know there is some differing info on this topic. I have stored my MMS that I made myself for 2 years with no problems, although it is possible that it lost some potency after the first year. If so, I do not think it was much at all. Based on this experience, I would say that the shelf life is at least 2 years, and probably even more like 3 or 4. Of course the key is that it is kept away from all light.   [End]
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The juice that he asked about from Santa Cruz Organics is fine for MMS. If a person is very concerned about the possibility of fillers or additives, even in organic juices from reputable companies, then they should absolutely make their own (as Humble suggests). Get yourself a Vitamix (I have one) ... and just blend up some organic carrots and some distilled water .... Voila - pure blended juice ”puree”.   [End]
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You did a fine job checking the label ... the Vit C is natural in that juice and that’s ok, and it contains no artificial sweeteners. And, kudos to you for not using too much of it.   [End]
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If you read the label carefully, you will see that there is nothing but fruit in this juice. ”Puree” merely means that the fruit is pureed or blended in a blender, so this drink will be thicker, with more fruit pulp, than a filtered fruit juice. There are NO added non-fruit products ... please read the label carefully.   [End]
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MMS will penetrate every organ in the body, carried BY the blood stream. So, it WILL attack pathogens that are resident in organs or even in bones ... but it must be matched by changes in diet and lifestyle to be effective.   [End]
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That juice should be fine for mixing with MMS. SCO makes a fairly good line of juices, and that one does not have any added sugars, fructose or corn syrup. Very often, ”Nectars” DO have such added ingredients, but some do not, including the line from SCO and the line from Knudsen’s. The ”Sugars” you see on the nutrition list are from the fruit juices. Here is the actual ingredient list: ”Filtered water (sufficient to reconstitute); Organic Apple Juice Concentrate; Organic Strawberry, Boysenberry, Raspberry and Blackberry Purees.”   [End]
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Yes, that juice should be just fine. I believe that it is 100% organic juice, and has no added Vit C. Another juice brand that is good to use is Knudsen’s juices, found in the health food store or section. Often, juices labeled ”Nectar” have corn syrup or fructose or other sugars, but this appears to be all fruit juice.   [End]
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The MMS will store for up to 2 years or even a little more, as long as it is kept in the dark, and in relatively cool temps.   [End]
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I use citric acid (1 part) mixed with distilled water (9 parts) to make the citric acid solution as an activator. You can also use lemon juice, lime juice or apple cider vinegar. Citric acid is the most potent activator.   [End]
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You would get a lot more input if you would post questions like this in the support forum. Most of those who post here in the debate forum do not use MMS, and are opposed to its use, so they have little or no experience with it. Having said that, I can tell you that there is no problem using a glass bottle for MMS, but you would want to make sure that the cap is plastic - many glass bottles have a metal lid and you need to avoid those. The plastic bottles that are used for MMS are PET and do not contain BISP-A. However, they do contain other chemicals - usually the danger from leac ...
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Les mesures du volume sont en onces des USA en livre de Jim Humble. Oui, il est plus facile de faire exactement 12.6 onces de MMS parce que la quantité de NaClO2 (100 grammes) et H2O (9 onces d’USA) il est facile travailler qui est employé avec. Soyez sûr d’employer au moins des 15 onces la bouteille en plastique, avec un couvercle en plastique, et suivent les instructions en livre humble sur se mélanger et chauffage. Après fabrication, ALORS vous pouvez verser ceux 12.6 onces dans de plus petites bouteilles, de quelque taille vous voulez. The measurements of volume are in US o ...
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No, I do understand ... but in order to go backwards you have to start from the volume of the original solution (12.6 ounces) and relate it to the final volume of the intended size (4 ounces). 12.6 is the volume in ounces of the original, Humble MMS solution, not the weight. So, you start out with a 15 ounce or so container, then use 9 ounces of water and 100 grams of NaClO2 to make the basic recipe of 12.6 ounces. So to make 4 ounces of ”final product” solution, instead of 12.6 ounces, you must relate that new volume (4 ounces) to the old total volume (12.6 ounces) ... you would ne ...
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Yes, I think that you are exactly right: for 4 ounces of water, one would need 44.44 grams of NaClO2. But this is where it gets a little tricky, and I had to re-read chapter 16 a couple of times. He is not using 4 ounces of water ... if he were, then he would want to use 44.44 grams of NaClO2, and he would be making a total of maybe 6 ounces (5.999) of MMS solution. He wants to make 4 ounces of MMS solution, which requires a smaller amount of water and NaClO2 in order to get an total amount of solution equal to 4 ounces. This is EXACTLY the reason why we should just stick to the ...
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I think I messed you up ... I think that your original post was closer to the correct amount ... sorry about that. Since 4 ounces is 31.74 % of 12.6 ounces, then I would think that I would need 31.74% of the ingredients as well: .3174 x 9 ounces = 2.85 ounces H2O .3174 x 100 gams = 31.74 grams of NaClO2 I think that these are the quantities to make 4 ounces of MMS solution: 2.85 ounces of H2O 31.74 grams of NaClO2 It is easy to see why Humble strongly suggests making the solution in 12.6 ounce quantity, so that it uses an even 100 grams of NaClO2.   [End]
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100 grammes de chlorite de sodium 9 onces (US) de H20 Début avec une bouteille de 15 onces de plastique. Les ingrédients ci-dessus font exactement 12.6 onces de MMS. Après que vous faites les MMS dans la bouteille de 15 onces, vous pouvez le verser dans les bouteilles de 4 onces. Le sodium chlorite la poudre est dangereux et peut exploser dans de certaines circonstances. Il doit s’absenter de la substance organique et loin de la lumière du soleil. Dans la solution, le sodium chlorite est complètement sûr. Il serait plus sûr d’utiliser vos 500 grammes de NaClO2 pour faire 5 bo ...
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In Book 2 he says to use 9 ounces of distilled water, and 100 grams of NaClO2 80% ... these ingredients in those quantities make a total volume of 12.6 ounces of MMS in the following ratio: 100 grams of NaClO2 357 grams of H20 And this does in fact make a 28% solution. I am pretty sure that Humble’s recipe is for 100 grams of sodium chlorite to 9 ounces of H20. If you do not agree with this, please let me know ... I want to make certain that I am not in error on this recipe. Also, if you do agree with this, then it would probably be a good idea to go back to your original r ...
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Johnny, This is rather important ... unless I am mistaken, I believe that the amount of NaClO2 80% Tech Grade needed to make 12 ounces by volume of MMS is 100 grams. Here is a quote from Jim Humble’s book, Part 2, page 16-1 : ”The reason that we use 12.6 ounces is because that’s how many ounces of MMS 100 grams of sodium chlorite will make. The reason for that is 100 grams of sodium chlorite is the easiest amount that you can purchase. Many chemical supply houses sell 100 grams for about $30.” Please respond as soon as you see this either pro or con because I would like to ...
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Rick, You have to click directly on the link ”contact mysticmom” at the top of her message. The system has a bug in it, and will not let you reply to the message from her. In other words, it doesnt allow replies, only initiating messages.   [End]
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You do not want to allow the dry NaClO2 to come into contact with organic matter, or to sit in direct sunlight. So, even if the solution were to evaporate and leave just the dry sodium chlorite, as long as it was properly contained and in a closet as you say, it would probably be fine. It is really very safe in solution, but you do have to pay attention to any spills, and be careful to wash off thoroughly when you get it on your skin.   [End]
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MMS (Sodium Chlorite in solution) is completely non-flammable, and is quite safe in that regard. The only way that it could be potentially dangerous is if the solution evaporated, leaving only the dry NaClO2 remaining. Scott   [End]
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Just a note ... if you order from them, I believe that a pound of NaClO2 (453 grams) will make about 54 ounces of MMS, or 4.5 x 12 ounce bottles. Make sure that you follow Jim Humble’s recipe in Book 2 in order to make the proper strength (28%) solution.   [End]
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One thing that I did not understand though about the ad on their website: ”1 pound of sodium chlorite powder (makes 32 ounces of 28% sodium chlorite solution)” A pound of NaClO2 should make a lot more than 32 oz of MMS. A pound is 453 grams - this should make about 4.5 12 ounce bottles, or about 54 ounces of MMS. This is using Jim’s recipe of 100 grams for a 12 ounce bottle of MMS, from Book 1. When I made my own in 2006, I used a different recipe to make a 25% solution, before Jim’s book was published, and I used a half-gallon bottle.   [End]
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Thanks for the info, I appreciate it! We do have a silver puppy (with the auto mag stirer), and love making our own CS with distilled water. I figure that it probably costs us about $ 0.25 to make a liter of good CS. One thing that we need to get though is a good nebulizer. A couple of years ago I bought a 1 liter bottle of Lugol’s, which I keep in a cool, dark place. I think I will start using it again... Thanks again. Scott   [End]
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This is an interesting question, but I do think that it is a mistake to assume that MMS will not touch it because chlorine does not act upon it. MMS acts in ways that are different than straight chlorine ... the biggest being that it is an extremely potent oxidizer ... far stronger than chlorine. The other thing that MMS does that chlorine certainly does not, is that MMS gives a huge boost to the immune system via the provision of hypochlorous acid.   [End]
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CS and MMS ... these are two things that every family interested in alternative health should have as mainstays. I do think people are a slightly off base if they think that MMS will not help with bird flu ... MMS works in a couple of ways ... by both strengthening the immune system, and by directly attacking pathogens. Since bird flu is a pathogen, it would be directly attacked by MMS. I also personally think that MMS WILL have great benefit to the immune system in the even of bird flu ... because in this case the ”strengthening” of the immune system does not mean a blind increase ...
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Still trying to boost your sales, Bruce?   [End]
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Oh, ok ... I see Mia. Yes, it is good to raise the issues, discuss the possibilities, etc... Good find.   [End]
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Sounds like a darn good plan to me, Hanna. BTW ... was Humiston saying that Chlorine Dioxide does or does not leave chlorine in the body? Scott   [End]
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Mia, Chlorine Dioxide breaks down in the body into salt, and some hypochlorous acid...it does not leave Chlorine. There are tons of studies on this subject produced for the water purification industry, the FDA and the EPA which demonstrate this. Hypochlorous acid is a naturally occurring compound in the body. The main reason for using Chlorine Dioxide is specifically that it does NOT yield chlorine when used in the body. Chlorine tends to form organic chlorine compounds in the body, which are toxic...this problem is completely avoided when using Chlorine Dioxide.   [End]
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Just be sure that you start slowly, with a small dose (1 drop), so that you can make sure you do not have any increased symptoms.   [End]
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Dry sodium chlorite is dangerous to store, and should not really be stored in a residence. The only way to render it safe is to put it in solution. NaClO2 in solution will store for at least 2 years, if it is kept cool and out of sunlight.   [End]
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Yes, Tom ... that is exactly correct in my opinion. The amount of dilution serves to make the ingestion more palatable and tolerable, and it also serves to increase body hydration. The only difference that I would suggest is that adding a few ounces of juice is not really all that significant ... adding a LOT (30 - 60 ounces) of water is a much more so. In the end, the amount of ClO2 is the same ... but drinking is absolutely VITAL along with MMS. I would go a lot further than what most people are doing, and increase water to at least 4 liters per day. It doesnt matter whether th ...
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Mia, The amount of liquid does not impact the amount of ClO2 that one gets from MMS ... we don’t need any scientific proof as to this. Does that mean that, for purposes of hydration and dilution that it doesnt matter? Of course not...drinking is absolutely essential when using MMS, and I have been repeating myself on this score over and over again. Adding an extra 6 ounces of juice to an MMS dosage is not going to make that much difference ... but drinking additional liters of fresh, pure water will. Everyone using MMS should be drinking at least a liter per day per 40lbs of b ...
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Not really ... except that: 1. It dilutes the NaClO2 and the ClO2 so that it is not too harsh on the tissues. 2. It helps the body to process everything, hydration. If you take 6 drops of NaClO2, and activate it properly ... you can then add 4 ounces of juice or 8 ounces of juice. Guess what? You are getting EXACTLY the same ClO2 either way. The difference is taste, comfort and hydration. The main factors which influence the ClO2 concentration in the body are the original concentration of the NaClO2, the acidity of the activator, the amount of the activator, the duration ...
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This is a good discussion to have, but it should not be in the ”support” forum. This is more of a debate topic.   [End]
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Yes, it should be the same stuff.   [End]
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Very reputable supplier, $3 per lb plus shipping. http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/search/search.php?keywords=citric+acid   [End]
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Dave, I think this is a great post...and I truly wish the best for you healthwise. We are all looking for the same thing. Also, when I do encounter MS’ers (and also others with very serious ailments), I have learned from you to be very conservative in making suggestions to them. Please be well. Scott   [End]
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Nope, big mistake on my part. Google sometimes pops up with Sodium Chlorate sites even though the search was on Sodium Chlorite, and I didnt notice it while I was making a list of potential suppliers.   [End]
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Yes, you’re right, and thanks for catching it. I was researching and making lists of potential NaClO2 suppliers, and this one caught my eye as they sell it in 5 lb lots. It came up through Google, even though I was searching ”Chlorite” ... Please spread the word if anyone mentions http://www.sciencestuff.com that it is NOT the right stuff.   [End]
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This was a bad suggestion, and I thank all those who saw it and notified me.   [End]
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Many people try using the ”Contact ...” feature of Curezone. You know, the little link next to the poster’s name that allows you to send an internal message to another Curezone member. Well, in order to receive messages like that, and in order to receive replies to messages that you send, you must have that feature ”allowed” or enabled in your profile. If you do not, then any attempts to send such messages to you while generate a message to the sender that you have it disabled. What I have found is that many people send out a message using this system, asking a question or making a ...
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Humble only suggests staying away from added Vit C, and also orange juice. I do not know if he says to avoid orange juice for its Vit C content ... if so, you could compare the Vit C in your juice with that of orange juice ... Generally speaking, the rule is to avoid added Vit C together with the MMS.   [End]
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I did get your email, and I just replied (I was skiing). I think if you use the ”email” function, then Curezone does not track it at all, it becomes just like any other email that you send. If you use the internal ”contact” feature, then it is basically a ”Curezone message” then, and Curezone tracks it internally. Scott   [End]
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I posted a link here in this thread earlier from http://www.sciencestuff.com as a source for NaClO2 ... it had come up in my Google searches while trying to find a source. And, in my noting down sources, I wrote it down without noticing that it was Sodium Chlorate. This is the WRONG stuff - please do NOT buy this stuff to use to make MMS. There are other sources for NaClO2 ... if you need help please email me, and sorry for the confusion. Scott   [End]
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The Humaworm and MMS will not interract, except that MMS may oxidize some of the ingredients of the Humaworm. I would give a little space between the two, say at least an hour. Scott   [End]
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That’s similar to what I do ... I just breathe through my mouth after I take the plate off until I have drunk it down.   [End]
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I’m completely sure that it will get activated for her also. It is a lot of MMS according to Stabilized Oxygen standards, but not by Humble’s standards. A drop of unactivated MMS equals about 5 - 8 drops of Stabilized Oxygen, depending upon several factors. As long as her body tolerates this many drops, she will probably do well on it. Scott   [End]
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I do not know much about the MMS IV option ... If your mother is not drinking much, then this is definitely one reason why her acidity and her test readings have increased. You do not say if she cannot drink, or if she prefers not to drink much. Either way, using MMS and NOT drinking much will absolutely result in a deeper toxicity in the body. MMS produces a ton of toxic by products from the pathogens it destroys ... the way to clear these is to drink. In order for your mother to detox her body, she is going to have to drink a lot more. As far as the ”green” food part of it, t ...
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Tom as shown you how erroneous your understanding, or at least your representation, of the MSDS information concerning Sodium Chlorite has been. You have misrepresented the hazard class, the toxocological studies, and the transport regulations. In addition, I have pointed out to you that you have misrepresented the alleged flammability of Sodium Chlorite solution (it is non-flammable). In addition, you have misrepresented the fact that, according to you, additives are required to make Socium Chlorite solution safe and usable. All this despite the fact that you yourself SELL Sodium ...
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Bruce, I have to tell you that I try to keep an open mind about every subject under the sun. I do form opinions and judgments based upon my research and experience, but I am always seeking to modify those assessments based upon the information I study. However, I guage all new information partly according its source, and I have not been overwhelmed by what you have presented as your ”evidence” against using NaClO2 in 28% solution, or by the way in which you have presented it. I really am sorry to say that to you, but you are frequently argumentative and emotional in what you write, ...
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The elevated readings may very well indicate the detoxing that your mother’s body is undergoing, especially with all of the MMS she is taking. Please make sure that she is drinking a LOT of water. She should be drinking at least a liter of water for every 40lbs of body weight per day. Also, try to shift her diet to a more alkaline or ”green” one, based upon organic fruits and vegetables. There is a suggestion below about Dr. Gabriel Cousens, and his diet is awesome; another great example of an alkaline diet is from Dr. Robert Young. Use a blender, and make organic, ”green” smoot ...
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Awesome reply David ... I love Dr. Cousens, and I agree with you both about the temporary increase in cancer markers and the need for a shift to a green diet. Scott   [End]
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Yes, I agree on the different causes of cancer. However, the body is a related whole, and it is hard to separate a single cause for a cancer ... there are so many poisons floating around the body between the mycotoxins from the pathogens, and the pollutants ingested from foods (pesticides, additives) and from air and water, and I think that they all contribute together to making cells sick. So, from this perspective, any reduction in pathogens and their related toxins will reduce the overall toxin load. Also, MMS boosts the immune system, and is used by the body to oxidize and remove ...
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”One evening I drank a lot of water before I went to bed I felt a light funny feeling in my stomach and had a very slight headache” If you mean that the water you drank in this instance had some unactivated NaClO2 in it, then what you describe is entirely possible. I have had that same reactions several times. The slight headache is what I call an ”oxygen headache,” because I get something similar with a little too much H2O2 or even Ozone. It doesn’t really hurt, but it is a slight ache. As far as the stomach feeling, I’m not sure what you mean by funny ... I have felt what I can ...
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This will create a roller-coaster effect, constantly causing detox symptoms when she restarts the MMS. Also, the body will not effectively cleanse. It would be better to reduce the MMS to a lower level,but keep taking it.   [End]
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Yes, I agree   [End]
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You may be using too high a dose. In one sense you are right, it is not the common detox that you get from other therapies. However, I believe that it is still a result of detox. It can often be more of an ACTUAL cold of flu, rather than just cold or flu-like symptoms ... You could stop the MMS altogether for a while (which, unfortunately, many do), and the symptoms will still continue for several days, even up to a week. This is because the body became SO polluted, so fast, that the pathogen count actually took off because of the ”friendly” environment. In effect, this has becom ...
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The body definitely becomes more acidic at first on MMS, and the organisms that proliferate in that environment (pathogens, including herpes) will proliferate in those fluids. As the body continues to cleanse, the body fluids will become more alkaline even than they were before starting on MMS, and also the MMS continues to kill the pathogens. So, generally there is a temporary increase in both debris from die-off, and ALSO from increased organisms that find that debris a friendly environment.   [End]
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Sorry, Bruce, your information is not correct. ”NOW WHEN SODIUM CHLORITE IS MADE IT IS MADE IN LIQUID FORM, IT GOES THROUGH A SPECIAL DRYING PROCESS TO MAKE IT A POWDER. WHEN CONVERTING BACK TO A LIQUID Ph BUFFERS, ANTIRUST INHIBITORS AND ANTI FLAME RETARDENDS SHOULD BE ADDED. POWDER FORM CONTAINS 20% SODIUM CHLORATE. (USED FOR PYROTECHNOCS ETC, EXPLOSIVE).” You do not have to add ph buffers, rust inhibitors or ”anti flame retardends” (whatever THEY are) to make tech grade sodium chlorite into sodium chlorite solution. Those additives are for specific industrial or commercial appli ...
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”as the MMS kills the infection, the breakdown parts of the infection causes the symptoms of a cold, not the live infection” This is true, doc. But in our family we have actually noticed times when we have restarted on MMS and actually gotten a real, live cold or flu too. We have also had a day or two of flu-like symptoms, so we have had both. There have been similar reports by others on this forum. I guess it is possible that the flue-like symptoms could last for several days or a week ... but at some point, if it ”walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck ...” Not quite sur ...
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Look for some info in your email from ldsfireguy@yahoo.com Scott   [End]
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EM, I would have her try Alkaseltzer Gold ... I have read that it is an antidote to too much MMS. The other one mentioned by Humble is Vit C ... but I have tried that and it really did not help much. And have her try and drink as much water as she can.   [End]
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Ananda, Great to have you back. Please please please say away from that crazy debate forum...the folks over there totally feed on negativity. They actually like it, and they cannot understand why it is not allowed in the support forum. One of them actually runs a support forum, and boasts about how debate is allowed in that forum ... and how we are ”afraid” of debate, lol. Of course, we have many refugees from that ”support” forum here! :) Scott   [End]
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Here’s my method ... I breath only through my mouth after I take off the plate covering my MMS, and while I am taking it.   [End]
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You should try and keep MMS in your system continuously ... a better route is to start slowly and keep your dose low enough to tolerate it. When you ”take a break” you create a window of opportunity for pathogens to regroup and replenish.   [End]
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LOL ... it was a sake-induced repartee ... :)   [End]
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Yes, I remember that post. I still use the citric acid solution, mainly because I came to the same conclusion as Humble that any miniscule yeast remnants in the citric acid crystals would be immediately neutralized by the MMS itself. But I still sometimes have lingering doubts, because I so hate taking anything that is associated with yeast at all.   [End]
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Thank you for sharing that information. I am very interested in what others are using and their experiences relative to MMS. By the way, you may not even want to respond to Davizona. Those folks over there, especially him, will just sap your energy. He is really an extremely hostile guy, and he really enjoys getting right into the dirt and name calling. He can’t seem to help responding to each post ... one of those guys who must always have the last word. I think that he is the one responsible for Ananda quitting this forum, but I do not know that for sure. If so, then I am sure ...
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This sounds like a good question for EM ... n/m   [End]
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I don’t usually add it to the Melody water, mainly because the Melody water is already at a ph of 9.5 - 10. I often use a distiller to make the water for my liters of greens, to which I add about 2 - 3 drops of unactivated MMS (mine is 25%).   [End]
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Thank you, Friend for posting this ... n/m   [End]
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The citric acid solution is a more potent activator than the lemon juice, so basically it is like taking more MMS. Not sure exactly how much more powerful, but it is something to be aware of. You will notice that the activated MMS is a darker yellow, and smells more pungent. As far as mixing the solution, just do 1 part citric acid to 9 parts water. You can use tablespoons, teaspoons, whatever.   [End]
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Those were pretty much my observations exactly with regards to my own beck equipment too, doc. But I also feel that MMS is much more powerful.   [End]
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The Beck protocol can cause a magnification (as much as 10x ... called ”electroporation” I think) of the uptake of any supplementation. I have seen some conflicting information from Bob Beck about this, where he says that it is not actually his blood electrifier that causes this but another type. However, I have seen lots of info that says that the Beck device will do it. This would mean that, if it acted in this fashion with MMS, then taking a 10 drop dose could act in the body like a 100 drop dose. With that warning in mind, I can say that I have actually used the blood electrifi ...
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I really think that the best thing to add is a fresh squeezed lemon wedge. If your greens are a good mix, and you add a fresh lemon wedge ... after a few liters of this combo (if I am in an acidic state), it begins to taste yummy. Sometimes it can take a couple of days, and I have drank 8 full liters per day to get started, but invariably as my body chemistry shifts my palate starts to appreciate the inherent sugars and goodness of the mix, and I then start to crave it. Oh, one other thing that goes well with the lemon (and lime will work too), is some mint. Anyhow, finding somet ...
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But there’s nothing wrong with Cinnamon or Stevia. The raw, unprocessed Stevia is probably better for us, but the fact that they are different colors doesn’t really matter, except that the colors may mix into some kind of murky brown ... :) Cabbage can be purple, carrots are orange, onions are white, etc ... but I would consider them all to be green in the larger sense of trying to eat ”green”, or more alkaline.   [End]
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Good luck with your MMS application ... you are a pioneer, just as we all are. Make sure you drink a ton, and drink an absolute ton of pure water to flush out toxins.   [End]
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The doctor in Africa working with the Aids patients was working with Jim, and was using his methods ... so this is still Jim Humble.   [End]
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Since he was the only one using MMS at that time, I am sure that he was the only one to ”do it that way” (intravenously).   [End]
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Jim invented MMS ... no one ever used it before him, and he used it on himself and others for several years before he allowed others to administer it. What he means I would assume is that, before he ever injected anyone or allowed anyone to be injected, he injected himself with it. I’m sure that he did this a while ago... This is a pretty small thing.   [End]
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Most greens are not going to taste very good as long as you are still battling sugar cravings. I know this from personal experience. :) I think we talked about stevia and/or lemon, so those are not working for you? The only other things that will make greens ”taste” good are sweeteners, fruits, etc...and those will add to the candida woes.   [End]
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Good advice IMO ... the hydration is so important (and not with Gatorade, lol) ... the more he drinks, the more he pees, and the faster it flows out.   [End]
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Yeah, Unfortunately the Melody is expensive. I bought one about a year ago, and we love it, especially the taste. It really does taste like drinking water right from a fast moving mountain stream. I wish they would lower the price so that more people could buy them.   [End]
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They are exactly the same, keeping in mind the different concentrations. Ph drops are 5% and MMS is 28%, so MMS is slightly more than 5x more potent. So, if you want to try it, where the Ph Prime calls for 15 drops you could substitute between 2 and 3 drops of unactivated MMS for the same thing. Use 3 drops if you are using a standard glass dropper to measure, and 2 drops if you are using a regular MMS bottle with the dropper style top. I used the ph drops from Innerlight for a long time, and now I use drops of MMS style concentration instead because it is so much cheaper. Althoug ...
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I do not think that it would be useless ... there would still be benefit. But, you must be careful about the detox symptoms...go slowly, and maybe stay at a lower dose for a little while. Be sure to drink a lot of water (a liter per day per 40 lbs is a good rule of thumb). Also, I have heard about using organic cigarettes as a path to quitting. They actually still put severely addictive additives into cigarettes to prevent you from quitting. I am not talking about the nicotine, or tar, or whatever, but things like formaldehyde, other chemicals, and a special sugar coating on the tob ...
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Thank you for an Awesome Post ... n/m   [End]
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Silver Puppy is a great machine, we love ours. The only real downside to CS is that it definitely kills beneficial flora I have heard.   [End]
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I do not know anything about this particular case, and I have only heard of Aerobic 07, but I can tell you that unactivated NaClO2 CAN do incredible things for the body. In many ways, it can help when activated MMS cannot, because it is so much more gentle on the body. I have seen firsthand in many people, experienced myself, and heard of instances of moderate to severe or aggressive health challenges being controlled or even more often reversed using this stuff. Very often people use the activated MMS, receive great benefit, but then they may begin to struggle with the detox sympto ...
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Would you be willing to send me an email, either through Curezone or directly to my email address: ldsfireguy@yahoo.com ? We would certainly miss you! Scott   [End]
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Mia, MMS will get into all the ”cracks and crevices” in your body over time...as you said, it works upon what it comes in contact with. It will continue to be carried deeper and deeper into the tissues and organs until it encounters more organisms or substances that fit its target profile. I can tell you from my own personal experience, and the experiences of many others, that sodium chlorite WILL absolutely clean out the entire body over a period of time. Of course, it needs to be complemented by hydration to flush out the toxins, and by lifestyle changes too.   [End]
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I don’t know ... I do not swish it myself, but have heard of others who do so. I also am aware that sodium chlorite in solution is available commercially for oral hygiene, but that is very likely at a lower ppm. If it bothered you topically in your mouth, then maybe you should only swish it at a lower dosage. Was there any lingering after-effect to the ”burn”, or was it only while you were swishing?   [End]
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Hanna, I think that the reason your ph goes down when you use activated MMS is precisely because of the detox ... the activated stuff is so much stronger, and it causes a much larger release of toxins as the bugs burst apart. However, as you process out the stuff from that die-off, the ph will rise up, in the end even higher, especially with good hydration. This temporary decrease in Ph is what causes all the various symptoms that we see, including the flu or flu-like symptoms. Those bugs love their own junk, they love to swim in it and it helps them thrive. I think this is one ...
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Those are some excellent questions. Here is my own information, from my own research and experience: I have been using MMS/sodium chlorite on and off for 4 years, and I am aware of many hundreds of others who have done likewise. I have never had a problem with my own organs being attacked or destroyed by it, and I have also found that my beneficial flora actually proliferate when I am combining the MMS protocol with a greener style of eating. MMS goes after organisms that are BOTH acidic and anaerobic. So, beneficial flora, which may be acidic but are always aerobic (oxygen metabo ...
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Voy, I agree with Boondoc’s suggestions ... monitor his edema, get him to move, and monitor his urine. Also, with regards to your MMS solution ... I was not even aware that 99.95% NaClO2 was commercially available. Just to note, because of the increased purity of your sodium chlorite, the MMS that you have is a little more potent than Humble’s ... MMS usually is 80% pure, so in a 28% solution will only 80% of that will actually be NaClO2 in solution. In yours, about 99% of that 28% is NaClO2 in solution. So, when you are using 10 drops it is more like using 12 drops or so ... ...
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Just to make sure we are talking the same, the you made about 3.5 ounces of solution, or about 105 ml ... is that correct? Yes, be careful of the swelling. And, it is important that he is urinating enough. Do not increase his drinking too much, until you are sure he can handle it without swelling. I would go to 3 x per day, if I were you, but lower the drops until he is comfortable. I think that it is important to spread out the ClO2 as much as possible throughout the day. Also, if you wanted to do one dose per day with higher drops, then you might want to try the night dose. ...
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I just read your post above, and understand that your father has other physical problems before the tumor, and that he cannot drink too much because of swelling in his feet. You must be careful with the MMS if he cannot drink very much, because this is the way that you flush the toxins out of his body. As you begin to notice detox symptoms, you may want to back down on the MMS a little because of the lower water intake. I would try to keep taking the MMS 3 x per day, just make sure that the number of drops is at a level where his body can tolerate it.   [End]
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Voy - I assume from your post that you purchased tech grade (80%) sodium chlorite from a chem supply company, and made your own MMS according to the instructions in Humble’s book - part 2. Is that right? Good for you! I did the same thing... How much is he able to drink? If possible, try to get him to drink 3 - 4 liters of pure water per day. If your detox symptoms are mild, and you feel committed to continuing on the MMS protocol, then you will want to continue hitting the tumor as hard as you can. I know that there have been others who have used even more than 3 doses per day ...
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It is ok for her to make her own, as long as she follows the instructions in Humble’s book. That is what the ”MMS suppliers” are doing ... they have no more expertise in this than we do. The important thing is to use tech grade (80%) and get it from a reputable chemical company. Most stock this stuff for sale as a water purifying device (and this is essentially what we are using it for ... a purification application).   [End]
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I would not suggest taking 10 drops for all that long ... but I can tell you that at the power concentrations it has been used and recommended by naturopaths and other practioners for years on a longer term basis. What challenges are you dealing with?   [End]
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Mia, I have been using unactivated MMS for 4 years as have many thousands of others, with not one single problem. It is used in very low ppm doses of about 1 - 2 drops per liter of water. MMS, or sodium chlorite, has been used this way for over 40 years, and there is WAY more information on its use in this way than there is about using it in the pre-activated form.   [End]
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”There are numerous warnings (not just instructions) about using the Sodium chlorite without first activating it and I think it wise to head those warnings” If you have seen such warnings from Jim Humble, or some other practioner, would you please post them here? I would appreciate it. ” I am aware of the use of extremely diluted sodium chlorite in stabilized oxygen products (at 1/18th the concentration per drop of MMS solution)” I do not know where you get this information, but Stabilized Oxygen products generally run around 3 - 5% NaClO2 solution, compared to the 28% NaClO2 sol ...
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I think that it is probably a form of detox, but also 4 - 5 drops per liter is probably somewhat high. If you and they decide to continue, try going down to just 2 drops per liter. They may still get some detox from this, but it should not be very much. (the fact that they may get detox is one very good reason for telling them) :)   [End]
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I would not put MMS into their drinking water without their knowing it, as I would not want anyone doing that to me.   [End]
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Ananda, I have to tell ya I feel a real kinship to your perspective. Do you practice yoga? Scott   [End]
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LOL ... you got diarrhea-envy!   [End]
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Thank you for the nice comments. You do not necessarily have to use it in your water, there are other things you can add to alkalize your water. I just did not want you to think that there was any particular harm in doing so.   [End]
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Wow ... very cool information doc. Thanks!   [End]
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I agree with you to some extent on this ... you had a good thread going. There did seem to be a diet debate brewing which was kind of off-topic, so maybe that was what the moderator was thinking. Anyhow, just wanted you to know that I have also had my threads moved to debate before too, and not really because of my own posts ... and I for one really appreciate having you around here! :)   [End]
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Terry, Sounds to me like you are doing the right thing for your body ... however, you may want to drop down just a little on your drops. It is very important that you be able to tolerate the MMS dosage. If it is too high, then it is very likely that you will be able to take it for a while, but if it continues then eventually it will wear on you and you will be very tempted to discontinue MMS entirely for an interim. I really would suggest that you cut back on the drops. Also, I’m not sure how much you weigh, but Dr. Young suggests a liter per day per 40lbs of weight ... so if ...
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That is very likely true ... I would cut back on MMS, not increase it. And, at the same time increase your water intake if you are not already doing a liter per day per 40lbs. How much MMS are you currently doing?   [End]
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You should post questions like this in the MMS Support Forum.   [End]
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This really is not the place for you to be ”on this soapbox”. There are HUGE differences of philosophy and research on this issue ... I believe the less cooking the better with regards to plants and veggies, and the less meat and dairy the better. I have very reputable sources that support what I believe, as I am sure that you do. However, this is not a debate that should ensue here in the MMS Support Forum. It would be better if we could recognize that there are valid and large differences with regards to this discussion, and not post opinions as absolute fact. Using phrases such ...
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MMS is actually just sodium chlorite, so the Wiki entry for sodium chlorite, and by extension for chlorine dioxide, is applicable. In many ways it is better for MMS to stay under the radar, as the more high visibility it garners the more likely the possibility of regulatory interference. I personally do NOT trust Phd(s) or MD(s) at all ... they build an artificial world around their shared knowledge and assumptions, and very often reject the truths that stare them in the face. If the Phd(s) and MD(s) did get a hold of MMS/sodium chlorite, then it would be studied, and then restricte ...
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