When my hemorrhoid was acting up, I could not have done a flush. Yours will probably be settled in less than two weeks. I would wait.   [End]
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No wait is necessary. The original poster’s question was whether it was necessary to wait before doing a flush when the previous ”flush” hadn’t actually been done. They only took two doses of epsom salt, but did not take the olive oil. Which means they took a laxative, that’s all, and have done no flush. The first person to respond was correct. There is no need to wait, except perhaps for a day or two to allow the loose bowel from the epsom salt to settle.   [End]
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I believe the oil and citrus mix can be adjusted to your size. Smaller people would need less, larger people more. The recommended half-cup is for the average-to-large person.   [End]
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Not only CAN you drink water after 2 pm, you should. Water is necessary for the epsom to work, and helps prevent dehydration.   [End]
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How do you identify the results as candida? Is it because of a white color? It might be mucous, which is often induced by milk, plus the milk itself.   [End]
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I have developed rashes due to liver flushing. It does release and stir up toxins. Since yours appeared before the actual flush, however, this doesn’t seem likely. It looks more like a reaction to the hot water bottle, given its location and appearance. Most likely, it is due to a combination of the salts and the heat of the bottle. On the whole, I would consider it a good sign. Rashes are almost always a symptom of toxicity, and you seem to have started something moving. Continue to flush at appropriate intervals.   [End]
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Agree with Jill. Right or wrong, I skipped parasite cleansing, colon cleansing, kidney cleansing, and all the other cleansings people have suggested. Perhaps I would have been better off doing those things. But I have done twenty-one flushes over two years. I hate them. I don’t like the ”prep” of not eating fat a day or two before the flush. I hate the Epsom salts. I am always awake pretty much all night of the flush. I usually have heartburn and sometimes nausea. I feel rotten the day after and often a day or two more than that. My symptoms often flare during and after flushing. I have ...
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I am one of those who almost never feel better right after flushing. If anything, doing a flush seems to stir up toxins and makes me feel worse. I have had rashes, raw emotions, headaches, and other negative reactions to flushing. And I almost always was careful to try to empty my colon through enemas and even a few colonics. But, over time, continuing to flush (I have done 21 over a period of 2 years), I have improved. I know many people say that they feel better right after flushing and then begin to feel worse before another flush. My experience has been just the opposite. I feel w ...
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I understand your confusion. When I first read about liver flushing, I went to the protocol page here and saw all these different flush techniques and recipes, and wondered which one was the ”real” flush. Many of them were similar, some were completely different. Some called for odd and largely unobtainable items (ornithine?), while others sounded like a late-night snack (blueberries and cream? Coke?). Some called for days and days of ”prep” (apple juice, malic acid, herbs, special diet), others didn’t. Some call for special kidney, colon, and parasite ”cleanses.” Others don’t. Some insist ...
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Congratulations and best wishes for your health. However, you may wish to reconsider flushing every week. Short of some sort of emergency, that is too often. Even once every two weeks is considered too often by most of us, and is really the absolute minimum interval. The ideal is considered to be once a month.   [End]
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Some people have theorized that the stones passed in a liver flush are mostly saponified olive oil -- that is, olive oil that has been turned into a form of soap. Most of us believe this is wrong, for various reasons. In the first place, some people’s stones have been analyzed and have been proved to be cholesterol and bile. Also, the chemistry of saponification involves saturated fats (tallow, palm oil, coconut oil, etc.) and not unsaturated fats such as olive. Furthermore, the process which results in saponification is very different from what occurs in human digestion. Finally, a few ...
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Congratulations on your flush results. I am curious about the source of the stones. You said they were tan, and that this indicated that they were from the gall bladder. I assume you meant as opposed to the liver. Yet, you said you had flushed many times. How could stones remain in the gall bladder after many flushes? Wouldn’t the gall bladder itself (as opposed to the liver) be emptied of stones with each flush, and then refilled by the liver? I myself have flushed about twenty times, and have released stones and chaff with most of them. Maybe five flushes were what I would call unpr ...
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Andreas Moritz recommended it. He believed the body was more prone to release things in the days leading up to a new moon, and to retain things in the days leading up to a full moon. Whether true or not, I can’t say. My own experience is that it doesn’t seem to matter.   [End]
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I never ”prep” according to the Moritz protocol. I may drink some apple juice for a day or so, though usually not even that. The only ”prep” I do is try to avoid fats and heavy protein for a day or so. The one thing I do without fail is to fast the day of the flush. I don’t take herbs, I don’t worry about parasites, I don’t do anything for my kidneys. I drink the Epsom salts and take the oil/citrus. That’s it. I have mostly had very productive flushes. Lots of stones and chaff. Only three flushes have basically produced what appeared to be almost nothing, and even those produced a litt ...
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Your symptoms sound exactly like mine were. I can especially relate to the pressure and ringing in the head. You almost feel like you’re going to have a stroke. The anxiety and panic seems to come from nowhere, and always seems to come when you would think it wouldn’t. However, I must say here that the very things you are taking and doing contributed to my problems. I found that things like probiotics, herbs, and vitamins made me worse. Whether this was my body or my psyche, I don’t know. I wasted three years fighting candida, which I now question the existence of, insofar as it is defin ...
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Your response is normal. A liver flush will deplete your bile and thus stools afterwards will be less processed and paler or yellower. You are also leaking residual bile. It is typical to have flares of physical and psychological symptoms following a good flush. Everything from head and body aches, to rashes, to rage and depression. You have released toxins which have been sequestered and are now working through, and hopefully out of, your system. In my experience, feeling worse in the days after a productive flush is the norm, not the exception, and I tend to get better long-term result ...
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It could well be sodium. In the spring of 2011, I drank two to three teaspoons of sodium bicarbonate every day for two months dissolved in lemon or lime juice. It had to do with a stupid protocol involving ”alkalizing” my body (don’t ask). The only result was that I got kidney and bladder stones for the first time ever in my life (I was 60) for about a year following. Try greatly reducing your sodium intake and see if it doesn’t help.   [End]
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I would take the ”liver rescue” herbs after flushing. I don’t think you want to promote bile flow in the time leading up to the flush. Just my opinion.   [End]
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Yes. Be patient. Did you follow up the next morning with the third and fourth Epsom salt doses? If so, just continue to wait. If you haven’t passed stones or sludge or even just butt pee from the ES, then you might consider a water enema on the second day after the flush. But don’t assume that everything is going to happen like clockwork the morning after the flush. And don’t fret too much over the nausea at one a.m. or being miserable the night of the flush and the next morning. That is par for me.   [End]
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I do not know much about bentonite clay. I tried it some years ago, before I ever did a liver flush, but found it constipating and less helpful in all respects than it was touted to be. I haven’t used it in years. And I have no idea whether it is advisable or beneficial during a flush. But I can definitely say that it is very common for me to get more stones two days after the flush than on the day after it. Beginning with about my third or fourth flush I almost quit getting any stones or sludge the day after the flush and began to get most results the day after that. More recently I ...
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Did an unplanned flush yesterday. Normally, I plan my flushes in advance, usually drink apple juice, avoid fats for a couple of days, fast the day of the flush, follow the Clark/Moritz protocol, etc. In fact, I did one two weeks ago (after an unusually long interval of four months without one). But in the two weeks since the last, my stomach and IBS and digestion have been a mess. I have felt miserable. But I still wasn’t planning another flush for at least a couple weeks more, if then. Yesterday morning, I didn’t feel like eating and felt gassy and constipated, so I took a dose of Ep ...
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Here is my two cents’ worth. I follow the Moritz protocol. Epsom salts at 6 and 8, olive oil and grapefruit juice at ten. Two more doses of Epsom salts the next morning. At about noon the day after the main flush I do what I call a mini-flush. I figure that I am still fasting, still full of Epsom salts, which means my tubes are still enlarged, and so why not. I fix a small mixture of olive oil and lemon juice, about 2 oz of each, prepare a coffee enema, and do them simultaneously. I can’t honestly say whether this adds to the efficacy of the previous night’s flush, but I think it do ...
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Did my 18th flush Sunday night. Followed same routine as usual. In the past I have averaged one a month, though they were closer together at first. However, this time I haven’t done one since April, and this is the longest I have gone between flushes since I began almost two years ago. I passed a fair number of stones of varying colors yesterday and today, and did an enema today as is normal for me. But I noticed an odd rash on my left groin area which I have never had before. Now I have suffered rashes in my groin and genital area for the past five or six years, ever since a year of ...
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By the way, I was struck by your reference to ”allergy head.” Could you tell me a little more of what you meant? My sinus congestion, pain, rawness, and reaction to foods and other stimuli is a continuing problem, and it have noticed it worsen in the vicinity of a liver flush and especially afterwards. I had not really connected it to liver. Has that been a continuing symptom for you?   [End]
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I would proceed according to the protocol. You need to find out how a ”regulation” liver flush affects you before making adjustments. Although, you will find that in some ways each flush is different. I’ve said this before, but next time, if you want to use the apple juice for its malic acid, you might consider tart cherry juice, which has five times the malic acid and requires much less drinking. Good luck. You will probably feel like hell tomorrow, but will be helping yourself immensely in the long run.   [End]
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I always have reflux and nausea, and it generally hits about 1am. I don’t usually vomit, however. But don’t assume your flush as a failure. Have you passed any stones or sludge yet? The olive oil/citrus mixture very likely did its thing before you vomited. It prompts the liver and gall bladder to discharge in the hours or two after drinking it. By the time you threw it up, it had already caused your liver and gall bladder to empty. If you do another in a few weeks, use less oil and citrus. Some people even do them during daylight hours rather than at night, and don’t go to bed.   [End]
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The coat on your tongue may not be candida. Anytime toxins are released, the tongue coats. People who fast, for example, invariably get heavily-coated tongues, and the coating generally lasts the duration of the fast.   [End]
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Not necessarily a bad idea, but you don’t want to go into a liver flush with nothing in your system but a few days of juice. Many of us don’t eat the actual day of the flush, but you should eat on the days before that. Just avoid fats and heavy proteins. By eating, you ”prime” your liver and gall bladder, and by avoiding fats it remains primed without releasing. Then, when you flood your system with the oil and juice the evening of the flush, bile is ejected with enough force to move stones, sludge, and cholesterol. In my experience, a liver flush takes a lot out of you. I wouldn’t wan ...
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By ”prep,” I just meant the things I mentioned in the same paragraph. Avoiding fat and heavy protein for a couple of days, at least, and getting some malic acid in your system by way of apple or sour cherry juice. Of course, many people believe you must do a lot of other things, including parasite cleanses and kidney cleanses, etc. but I’ve noticed that you can make things so complicated that everything just becomes unwieldy. In my experience, you need only three things for a successful liver flush: Epsom salt, olive oil, and grapefruit or lemon juice. Many users say even the olive oil ...
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I would wait for the two-week mark, at least. It probably won’t hurt to do it this weekend if that is the most convenient time for you, though. Remember to prep properly. It’s not complicated. Avoid fats and heavy proteins for a couple of days before the flush day. Drink some sour cherry juice for a few days. Set yourself up for success. Don’t fret too much on the number of stones. One of my most successful flushes produced only a pile of tan floating sludge that burned like hell on the way out. Just don’t get so impatient that you are flushing every week in hopes of hurrying things a ...
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Don’t despair. It is not at all uncommon for chronic conditions to worsen. Andreas Moritz in his book on liver flushing said as much, and even used the example of a young woman who had facial rashes which worsened and did not significantly improve until six months into flushing. The reason it is not a good idea to flush too soon is because it takes at least a couple of weeks for your liver and gall bladder to recover. Your bile levels will not be restored, and thus another flush will not be productive. Moritz, who along with Hulda Clark, is considered the founding guru of liver cleans ...
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Thank you for your reply. Actually, I have used castor oil packs in the past, several years before I began liver flushing. What benefits have you received by using one during a flush? It is certainly something I would do if there is a chance it would help.   [End]
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I water fasted for 23 days a year and a half ago. This was before I began liver flushing. I did my first flush about a month after the fast. In retrospect, I should have done it the other way around. Liver flushing a few times before fasting would have been better. Fasting will basically cause toxins stored in fatty tissue and organs such as the liver to be released into general circulation, putting an extra burden on your liver. Fasting will stop the normal flow of bile and cholesterol, because you are not consuming fats, proteins, or anything else. This will cause what is probably ...
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Telman, this is an interesting variation on the regular flush. How did you come by it? Did you devise it yourself? The main difference between this and the regular flush appears to be the shorter time intervals (seventy minutes instead of two hours) and the extra large Epsom salt dosing, plus the extra amounts of OO and juice (seven vs four ounces of each). Also, I notice you specify lemon juice. Is it important to use that rather than grapefruit? Have you done this yourself and gotten results/relief? Would you recommend it over the standard flush protocol? The reason I’m asking i ...
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I have done sixteen flushes over the past year and a half. Most have been productive, and it is common for me to feel bad for up to a week following them. Overall, however, they have steadily improved my issues and symptoms, with the exception of prostatitis, which has worsened. The most recent, done almost two weeks ago, has left my stomach and bowels gaseous and painful. This has never lasted for more than a few days before. Also, my food intolerances and general well-being are both worse. I plan another flush in a week (I try to keep them at least three weeks apart and prefer a f ...
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You can substitute sour (tart) cherry juice for the apple. It has five times the malic acid, thus you need only drink a fraction of the amount for the same effect.   [End]
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You don’t say how many flushes you have done, but, yes, symptoms can get worse. I began to see improvement in my symptoms, especially skin symptoms, at about three months. If you are able, you might want to bump up your frequency of flushing. Keep flushing. You will get better.   [End]
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Great! And don’t worry if you don’t feel so good right now. I know some contributors here say that they generally feel better right after a flush, then start to feel worse as they approach another flush, but my experience has been the opposite. A flush is a hard, sleepless, gut-wrenching experience for me. I always feel like hell the day after and even into the next day. It always takes me a while to recover, but in time I am usually better than before the flush.   [End]
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I would continue for a while, if I were you. I have done fourteen. Am doing number fifteen tonight. In August, I did number eleven, with only a few stones (maybe less than ten). Six weeks later, I did number twelve and got nothing. Six weeks later (notice how I was extending the normal intervals in hopes of generating more stone buildup) I did number thirteen and got absolutely no stones. That was three flushes over almost four months that I got few results for one and no results for two. I was convinced I was through. I even said as much in a comment here. But I remembered that the con ...
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Calm down. It isn’t a horrible experience, and I am speaking as someone for whom liver flushes (I have done fourteen) are thoroughly unpleasant. You don’t need anything for a successful flush except Epsom salt, olive oil, and grapefruit juice. That’s it. I don’t use ornithine. Clark advised it to help you sleep through the night of the flush, but most people say it doesn’t help. Clark also advised a bunch of herbs for parasites (like wormwood and black walnut), but Andreas Moritz says you don’t need them either, and I agree. Forget betaine hydrochloride. It’ll just give you heartburn. ...
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I would stick to the two-week minimum between flushes. There are several reasons, even if you didn’t get stones from the last flush. Telman has noted that it takes about that long for your bile pool to restore. Toxins released from a flush will need to be eliminated, and that is not always a straightforward process. It is not just a matter of expelling them through the intestine. Rather, some are recirculated via blood and will pass through the liver again for reprocessing, and partly re-sequestered there and in fat cells. Two weeks is really a very short time to wait. You are probably clo ...
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I believe the apple juice was recommended pre-flush because it contains malic acid, which is thought to break up the calcification among the stones. Lemon juice is not a good source of malic acid, so is probably not helping in that way. Also, I noticed in a previous thread that someone was asking about herbs to take before a flush, particularly cholegogues, which are supposed to induce or improve bile flow. Things such as dandelion root. In my opinion, such things before a flush are counter-productive. The whole concept behind a ”flush” is to induce a sudden ejection of bile from the l ...
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Sorry for the double responses above. I thought the first one failed to post.   [End]
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Yes. Food intolerances and allergies were the first things that began to improve, but it took a couple of months to really notice. Rashes on my legs which I had had for five years began to clear. Rashes on my arms, which had come and gone in response to antibiotics and anti-fungals (all hard on the liver), and had returned because of a month long fast I had tried in the fall of 2012, cleared up. Fasting, by the way, is not advisable for someone with a congested fatty liver. Fasting allows for the release of toxins from fat cells that then simply impact an already overloaded liver. Keep ...
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Oh yes. In fact, the food intolerances were the first things to clear up. About a month before I began to flush, I did a water fast for almost a month. Not only did the fast not help me much, I am sure it caused some symptoms to get worse. I even developed allergies (or intolerances) to fresh fruit and vegetables, which I had never had before. About the only thing the fast did for me was to reduce my blood pressure, and it has stayed lower ever since. The flushes allowed me to begin to eat fresh fruits and vegetables again. Rashes on my arms and legs began to clear about two months afte ...
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Keep flushing. I am much older than you, but took a ton of antibiotics about five years ago and began to have symptoms like yours. Nothing helped until one year ago I began to flush. I did them about three weeks to a month apart. I generally felt like hell after the flushes, but got tons of sludge, chaff, and stones. Some symptoms got worse. But about a month or two after starting, somewhere around the fourth flush, I started to notice I was getting better. I appear to be one of those who runs out of stones, just about like Andreas Moritz, who did twelve flushes and stopped getting ...
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Have you had flushes with few to no stones? My most recent, #12, I had no results. That happened once before, in March, with flush number six or seven. It was also the most uncomfortable, with nausea and awful reflux. I haven’t done one in about two months now, though I tended to do them about every 3 to 4 weeks before. I think I am hesitant to do number 13 because I seem to be getting poorer results. If i do it and get nothing again, I may quit, though I believe the standard recommendation is to wait for three unproductive flushes in a row before quitting.   [End]
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Just to be sure: Did you use the regular regimen of Epsom salt? Did you mix the oil, lemon, and Coke into a single drink and consume it all at once before going to bed? What was it about the original that you thought might be problematic -- the olive oil or the grapefruit? I tried using cold-pressed extra virgin only once, about my fifth flush, and had the worst nausea ever. Before and since that flush I have used extra light (partially refined) olive oil, and it seems to work as well with less nausea and reflux, though nausea and reflux seem to be pretty standard for my flushes. Fin ...
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When you say LF was a success, do you mean in terms of releasing stones and chaff? How many LFs have you done? I did a three-week water fast about a year ago, but did not observe much improvement in my problems. It did, however seem to permanently bring my blood pressure down, as before the fast it had a tendency to be high, but afterwards it has not. The fast brought out some food sensitivities that it took me three months and several flushes to overcome. I did my first flush about a month after the fast. I used a zapper for about a week and a half almost 24/7 in April between my fift ...
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I have done ten flushes beginning last November. I am doing my 11th tonight. I did not see real improvements for weeks, and in fact some did not happen for three months. Some of my symptoms are still slowly improving. Others, particularly my prostatitis and its attendant inflammation, began to worsen beginning about April and have not abated. I remember someone quoting Andreas Moritz here that, for many, real progress is most noticeable at the six-to-nine month period after beginning the process of flushing. He also said that some chronic problems can get worse before they get better. Do ...
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Don’t give up. I have been exactly where you are, and I don’t mean a long time ago. Even this summer, I would have ended my life if it were a clean simple thing to do. But it is always worst before it gets better. You will overcome the pain. I don’t know how, but it will happen when you have completely given up. God bless you.   [End]
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Epsom salt is magnesium sulfate. MgSO4. As Epsom salt it has water added, and is called magnesium sulfate heptahydrate (MgSO4, 7H2O). You should be able to get it in China at whatever they have there for chemists, apothecaries, or drugstores.   [End]
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I have completed ten flushes about 3 to 4 weeks apart beginning last December. On the whole they have been successful and I have passed hundreds of stones, many as large as marbles or bigger. Rashes of years standing have been pretty much cleared. However, beginning in April some old prostatitis pains and inflammation, especially in the penis and perineum have flared horribly. During March and April, I had some colonics which I think may have irritated my prostate and rectum. They were quite painful. So I stopped the colonics and have used only home enemas after the flushes since. My la ...
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If her gallbladder is compacted with stones or if it is otherwise not functioning well, the coffee enema may actually increase her pain and discomfort. Before I started doing flushes I discovered that things which promoted bile flow, things like dandelion tea and coffee enemas, gave me some gall bladder pain. She might want to do a full liver flush using the basic Epsom salt, olive oil and grapefruit recipe either before or in conjunction with the coffee enema (I do the coffee enema the day after the flush, myself, and consider it sort of booster or mini flush).   [End]
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The Epsom salts before and after the flush will clean you out sufficiently. However, you should get over your squeamishness regarding enemas. About the second day after the flush a couple of distilled water enemas will help remove stones that remain behind -- and some ALWAYS remain behind. Enemas, using a kit with a vinyl bag and tube you can get at any Walgreen’s, are quite simple and easy to administer. Put some distilled water, about four cups, in the microwave and warm for a minute or two. Add a teaspoon or two of sea salt. Pour into the enema bag, and then continue to fill the bag ...
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The Epsom salt is fine if it says it can be used as a laxative. You can drink water any time during a flush, except don’t have any about thirty minutes before and after your Epsom salt doses at 6 and 8 o’clock. Don’t drink any just before the oil and grapefruit at 10 o’clock. And of course you will go to bed immediately after that, so you won’t be drinking water then. But Andreas Moritz recommends keeping well hydrated, so drink all you want on the day of the flush, except as I indicated. Drink all you want the next day as well. Take a teaspoon of Epsom salt in a cup of water right n ...
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Don’t give up. It is not at all unusual to have poor results. Some people report doing two or three flushes with few noticeable results, then suddenly hitting a mother lode. Andreas Moritz said that even if you see few results, you are making internal changes, rearrangements as it were, and there is really no such thing as a flush that does no good. Try again in two or three weeks.   [End]
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How long since you did it? Moritz said that a month was ideal, in most cases. I generally wait three weeks, minimum, but am beginning to think a month would be better. If you follow his advice to have a colonic afterwards, it takes a whole week just for your bowels to normalize, let alone other things. I don’t believe I could manage doing them every two weeks. Remember that he suggests almost a week of apple or sour cherry juice (or malic acid) beforehand. So if you do it every two weeks, you are basically always preparing for or recovering from a flush. In my reading this forum, my ...
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Did my eighth flush last night. The first six were productive and helped me. The seventh (three weeks ago) was a nightmare of acid reflux and nausea, and the first to have no noticeable results -- neither stones nor chaff/sludge. The eighth, last night, was very much like the seventh. Woke up at 2 am with acid reflux burning all the way up to my sinuses and throat, some nausea. It’s too soon to know results. Another awful, sleepless night. Why were the first six so much easier and productive? I have done them all exactly alike. I am wondering how important the grapefruit juice is. ...
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In addition to the Sunday night flush being the most uncomfortable I have ever experienced, it is now the most unproductive. No stones, no chaff, no sludge. Went for me colonic today, and even the therapist noted that I was remarkably clear. It is disappointing to have the level of nausea and reflux I had Su day night (both of which are unusual for me), and still not have any results. But I am going to continue on my schedule of doing one every three weeks, because I have seen too many posts here from people who have u productive flushes, only to return to producing stones in later flus ...
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Did my seventh flush last night. Followed Moritz’s protocol to a T. Five days of malic acid, ES at 6 and 8, olive oil and GF a little late at 10:30. A little late, because, for the first time, the ES had not moved me as of 10 pm. So I did a little Fleet enema at 10 and passed a dribble of water. Was I too empty? Too dehydrated? I don’t eat at all the actual day of the flush, and avoid fats and proteins the two days before that, so my colon should have been ready to empty following the ES. It usually does. I had spent the previous week making and drinking celery seed tea for my kidneys. ...
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Interesting you would mention malic acid. For my, last two flushes, I have used it dissolved in water, a teaspoon in a liter. One per day for five days. It may or may not make a difference that apple or cherry juice doesn’t. How long since your sixth flush? Weeks, days? I have read hundreds of posts here in the archive, and feel certain that a couple of people have mentioned ongoing periods of reaction, detox, healing crisis -- whatever you want to call it. Telman mentioned something going on for two or three months in one of his posts. I am hoping that flushing will eventually drag ...
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I know that for most of January and February, when I was doing my third, fourth, and fifth flushes, I seemed to be overwhelmed with anger and resentment. Following my sixth flush two weeks ago, the anger and resentment has subsided, of course it has been replaced with some depression, but that is more normal for me. I honestly believe that emotions and liver function are related. Many on this forum and among those who support liver flushing believe that the liver can contain pockets of toxic material that is directly related to psychology, and that various physical as well as emotional ...
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I’ve posted several times on the forum and am grateful for all responses. I have done about six flushes using the Moritz protocol since early December. Given my background of heavy prescription med use, which I stopped gradually over the past four years (none since October), and other reasons, I suspect liver function is behind my issues, which are mostly non-fungal rashes, bloating and constipation, severe headaches, itching. The ibs type symptoms and headaches seem to have worsened since I began flushing, particularly beginning about the third flush. The headaches are most severe ...
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Why no Epsom salts? I know there are people who don’t use them, but they generally use something similar. I think both Hulda Clark and Andreas Moritz considered them necessary to dilate bile ducts and allow passage of stones. This may be even more important if you have not spent the past four or five days ingesting malic acid in the form of apple juice, tart cherry juice, or pure malic acid to help soften and break up the stones. In addition, though one may eat lightly the day of the flush, it is important to avoid fats, so I hope when you say you had ”lots” of green beans and vegetable ...
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Could you explain a little more about LOLA? The L-aspartate L-ornithine?   [End]
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I do eat a lot of protein. Since using the zapper, I have eaten some quality yogurt with several strains of probiotics. And that may be part of the problem. Probiotics are one of the things I tried in the past which made me worse, whether in natural form (eg kefir) or in high-dollar supplement form. I would get bad ”die-off” (worsening of symptoms), that everyone would say was a good sign and to keep going, but months (and I mean months) of use would make me worse and worse, and then finally quitting would make me better. That is why I am leery of zapping. I detect the same worsening of ...
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I did my sixth flush Sunday night. Moritz protocol: malic acid, Epsom, olive oil and grapefruit. My last two or three flushes, I have not had much result the following morning, but rather the next morning after that. The day after the flush, I have taken to doing a coffee enema and mini-flush simultaneously. By mini-flush, I mean a shot of oil (quarter cup) and lemon juice just as I am starting the coffee enema. I have found it to add significantly to the productivity of the main flush overall. The morning following that (Tuesday), is when I have been getting the real results. Many s ...
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I believe this is a liver issue. I have discovered that cannabis exacerbates my rash, which is due to toxic overload. I also experienced a near seizure several years back when I was taking antibiotics along with several other prescriptions and I smoked some cannabis. You may or may not have a parasite problem, but I suggest that adding THC to your system is contributing to the toxemia that your liver is simply unable to handle. I would bet you are taking some powerful prescription meds as well, aren’t you. Best advice I can give: avoid all meds that are not absolutely necessary to keepi ...
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Thanks so much, Telman. I have tried so many things the past four years for my arm and leg rashes which erupted after many antibiotics. Of course I thought for the longest time that it was candida related, but all the candida treatment I could do, both complementary and prescription, from probiotics to diet to enzymes to diflucan did not seem to help long term, though may have helped a little short term. The rashes have been biopsied and are never fungal. The irony is that the antifungal prescriptions, which i took anyway just in case it was internal candida, may have made my liver dysf ...
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Am doing my fourth flush this Sunday night. I know it’s a full moon, but... Anyway, I am using malic acid in water instead of apple or cherry juice. Started drinking a teaspoon dissolved in a quart per day Wednesday. My stomach has been a mess, with gurgling, bubbling, gas, and very little bowel movement, though I have been eating properly. When i go it is gas, a little clear watery stool, and not much else. This ibs type stuff is not unprecedented for me, but is not my main problem. Rashes, food allergies, and toxemia are. This morning (Friday) I decided to take some oxypower (magne ...
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Thanks you all for the responses. Since I did the three back to back enemas on Sunday following the Friday night flush, I of course have not had a bowel movement yet, thou it is now Wednesday afternoon, and I have eaten a good deal of high fiber food in the past three or so days. That is one of the drawbacks to all the enemas. I suppose not having gotten so many stones out during the enemas would be a worse drawback, however. What bothers me though, is that if any stones were left in the intestine or colon, they have now been there long enough to have been reabsorbed, and are toxic. I k ...
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Sorry for all the typos. I am two-fingering on an iPad, and my messages are full of extraneous periods, commas, and ”Coleman” boards.   [End]
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I did my fourth flush Friday night. I drank sour cherry juice for several days, ate lightly Thursday, fasted Friday, and did the usual: ES at 6 and 8, grapefruit juice and OO at 10, other two ES in the morning Saturday. By the way, for my last two flushes, I have taken to doing a coffee enema and what I call a follow-up mini-flush about noon the morning after. The mini-flush is a shot of OO and lemon juice just as I am doing,the coffee enema. It is very effective, as I can feel my gall bladder responding. I followed the coffee enema with a full water enema, per Andreas Moritz recommendati ...
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Naturopaths and immunologists have not been helpful. But acupuncture has crossed my mind. Normally, I would sneer at something like acupuncture, but normally I would have sneered at something like oil pulling as well, and now I am convinced that OP is actually a powerful (though in my case negative) modality. Do you have any experience with acupuncture? As I said, I have seriously considered it, though I would not know how to find a qualified acupuncturist. And I would want only the acupuncture itself, not any other Chinese stuff like herbs. I react too strongly to herbal stuff.   [End]
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I certainly believe my problems are immune-based. I have found over the past three or four years that I can not tolerate probiotics and a few other things that re supposed to be helpful, even vitamin and mineral supplements. Even cod liver oil. This is why I am now going to concentrate on liver flushing, and even that I am going to do rather slowly --once a month. That, plus trying to eat as cleanly as possible. The irony of the month-long water fast I did in Oct-Nov is that it left me with a few new intolerances, including raw fruits and vegetables, so healthy options like salads are now ...
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Thanks for the reply. In the past three years, I have done OP about four times, never for more than a month at a time. The first time I did it, in January 2010, I used a high-end nut oil (sunflower or safflower-I can’t quite remember which, from Whole Foods). I was really bad at that time -- painful open rashing. I’ll be completely honest here. At the time, and even since, I thought oil pulling had to be the lamest idea yet in an Internet world full of health b.s. But when you are sick from things that regular medicine can’t really help or even understand, you’ll try anything. And as ev ...
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I have posted on the Liver Flush forum. I have done three LF in the past two months. In October-November I water fasted for a little more than three weeks. My worst problems began four years ago after round after round of antibiotics for prostatitis and sinusitis. Worst symptoms are rashes on arms and legs and food allergies. I’m sure the antibiotics were the last straw after decades of meds, aspartame, pot, sugar, caffeine, and, prior to the mid-eighties, alcohol. I have spent the past four years attacking my problem as one of candida, and even did much diflucan and lamisil. At this p ...
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Thank you both for your comments. Often those who are experienced and have found healing quit posting on boards such as this one and newcomers don’t have any depth to draw on. One day and month at a time.   [End]
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Thanks for the info. I appreciate all responses. The gastric stuff, the increased acid, etc., is very minor. It’s the tenderness and low-grade pain in the liver/GB area that is concerning, but as I said it is not unprecedented. When I first began to do some coffee enemas three years ago when my rashing was so terrible (following antibiotics) I also noticed a few days of soreness in the liver area. At the time I thought it was caused by the positions I got into, but since then I have decided it had to do with the process the enema put the GB and liver through. It never lasted more than ...
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Oh I agree. I stopped the antifungals in August, but not before the rash had reappeared in places it had not previously been. Oddly enough, the water fast of almost a month seemed to do more harm than good. As my fat cells gave up their years of accumulated toxins, my poor liver was taxed even further. And when I broke the fast, doing so in the most approved way with fresh organic juices, I actually developed reactions and intolerances to raw fruits and vegetables and to he latex on my shorts and socks -- something I had never had before. I am just now (I hope) recovering from the wate ...
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Thank you for your reply. I didn’t go into much detail on my recent history because it would have been too long a message. I have eaten organic, little refined cab, no sugar for over three years now. I haven’t touched alcohol in thirty years, dropped caffeine four years ago, and did a twenty-five day water fast two months ago. I exercise regularly, am at an ideal weight, have excellent blood pressure, and good labs in general. I was worried about my liver because flushing, while it has produced many stones and chaff in only three flushes, has also resulted in pain in the liver area which ...
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To emphasize my main question, which may have got list I’m my long post, the liver/gall bladder area discomfort/mild pain I am now experiencing was NOT present before the flushes, but is now and is continuing a week after the flush. Though, I DO remember similar pain a year ago when I was taking a strong prescription antifungal, which I know was hard on my liver (and is one of the reasons I am trying the LF now).   [End]
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I have done three flushes over the past couple of months. My problems began several years ago after huge and numerous rounds of antibiotics (sinus doc and prostate doc). Problems have largely been skin rash and eczema related. The first flush I did not prepare properly for: no apple juice or malic acid, heavy meal the day before, etc. few noticeable results, though I did notice some improvement in my conditions and general well-being. The second, after proper prep, was a mother lode of stones, and I felt like hell for a week afterwards, which I attribute to toxicity. The third, a week ago ...
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