I’ve done what you have, but not exact 7 day, I’ve done 5, 8, 6, 9, 9, 20, 4, etc etc. 1 meal and back into the next fast. I also would eat pretty high protein and fat with low carbs to stay ketogenic. Its very very effective for weight loss, but maybe not that powerful as a cleanse. Also IMHO the target you have set for yourself may be not the target your body needs. I started with various targets but as I ran to and past the target, I just realized there was still on board fat and my target should have been lower. I’d take it as it comes. I’d also fast for longer (easy for me to sa ...
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I am not that concerned with actual weight, but if you have elevated FFA’s which you would if you even have a little bit of fat you’re burning then it keeps the insulin resistance in your cells still high. That can rapidly lead to high insulin levels and then back to pre diabetes and weight gain. I’d recommend losing weight to the low end of the ”recommended” number for your age/gender/body size and staying there for a while to permanently lower your body’s set point. That’s what I want to do, but all this eating is getting in the way for sure. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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To my own eye, I look better @ 150 than I did @ 238. However there are a few grabs of fat I have to lose, else the 6 pack stays covered up. My wife somehow sees my getting thinner as a failure on her part (I think). In any case my wife would not look better if she got to even 100 from 125. She’s healthy over all so I am glad. Its the dislike of sugar and sweet food that’s at work with her. She eats plenty of carbs, nearly 60+% of her calorie intake is carbs, but not simple carbs. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Thanks. I could hear it again and again, I get overly nervous. One thing I have to do while water fasting, is to drink just enough water for thirst, not 3 gal like I used to, 1 gal is plenty, usually its 3qt or so, that keeps my minerals from getting flushed out. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Losing weight doesn’t = looking good. My wife told me I look like a skeleton in a garbage bag. She’s also told me hugging me was like hugging a bag of metal ladles/utensils. However I like the 105/70 BP, the under 200 cholesterol with over 100 HDL and near 50 LDL, I like being able to raid my son’s closet for clothes, I like the way my bike runs with 80-90 lb less and so on. The vanity and confidence from weight loss can be a motivator, but in my case it wasn’t a factor atleast the first visit to 140. Now, I am trying to get motivated via vanity and the faked confidence. To each pers ...
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New fast on from 3 hrs ago. I ended a 7 day fast on Thursday June 29th. Ate 1 meal a day for the next 9 days. Nearly all were very ketogenic with the exception likely being July 4th and 6th. July 6th before dinner I weighed 161lb. Just about what I weighed on day 5 of the 7 day fast. Too many social events (july 4th, my friends birthday, a 1600 mile R/T to buy a set of Kef 105’s - entirely too much loading and driving and unloading). Through it all, kept my weight within 5lb of the fast ending weight. Lots and lots of work done, very erratic schedule during a week I was furloughed, lot ...
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Can I take Himalayan pink salt when water fasting ? That has Iodine and the last week I did take it. That’s why I thought Iron, because I got Iodine. I stop feeling cold, I’ll fast better, I really need to do both. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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My purple ketostix got even deeper after I ate. But I did eat the few veggies tha twere closing in on their expiry, cheese and fish. I may eat Saturday night, I’ll be doing some light labor (driving mostly0 with a friend, and cant let him eat alone. Social pressures. May eat resistant starch rice tomorrow with yogurt, or with just pickle tomorrow if I feel like it. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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It was open ended, till I got true hunger. I typically end fasts due to this same reason, food going bad. Anyway eaten and ready to sleep, hopefully not out of ketosis. I’d probably eat firday and Saturday night and likely fast from then on. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I think would be eating tonight. Too much food going bad and the next 5 days I am going to be out of town and doing hard labor. I was going to fast through it all 7 days so far, let me see if any of these are freezeable, else I am going to have to eat. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Could I be Iron deficient ? The cold fingers and feet and nose suggested an iron deficiency to my chiropractor and the cold sore like feel @ the ends of my mouth also point to a thymus problem which could be due to Iron deficiency he said. Cant be Iodine still, I am supplementing with Himalayan pink salt Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Day 3 is where your life got easy huh. Usually I have 1-2 easy, 3 and 4 are nightmares of late. But back when I was starting the fasting day 1 and 2 were bad. 3 and 4 got better. Thanks. Srinath   [End]
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Awesome to hear. 3lb a day is good for the first 10% or so of your body weight, but past that its likely you’re burning muscle. Muscle is 75% water and the protein matrix only delivers 4 calories a gm. So for 2000 calories you need to burn 1lb+ protein which is accompanied by 3lb water. So 4lb a day = muscle. Fat is 10% water and 9 cal a gm. 2000 calories is about 225 + 10%. 250gm, just over 1/2lb. Anyway enjoy, just keep the course. You’re doing great. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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158.8 this morning. I have a weird cold sore like feel at the ends of my mouth. And a coating peeled off the top of my mouth without warning. Generally have some light body ache. I have a couple of days of road trip followed by 4-5+ days of moving. Hope to fast through it all. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Day 6 of my fast, and the bad taste in my mouth and the coating on my tongue have gone. I recovered very very fast from my tennis yesterday, I had arm and shoulder pain from swinging the racket, foot pain etc etc all of which disappeared overnight. I dunno what it means. I am not hungry though, random cravings are gone too. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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The first 20-30 lb fly off. Or 10% of your body weight. I’d not be surprised if it increases over the next few days. And with the water you’re drinking, you’re actually going to retain more of that atleast temporarily. You will also put on the 10% during the first few re-feeds. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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158.8 this morning. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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No, its still staying away. But I am working on a permanent weight loss method as well as a long term weight maintenance diet. In a bit I would have a home gym set up so I may be able to workout etc but I want a good diet etc in place. I used to fast for many many days and eat 1 huge meal and go right back into the next fast. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Day 5 is done, I played 2 + hours of tennis. Came back home and took a shower. Feels awesome. Warm and nicely not hungry at all. Need this type of endorphin release for a few more days/weeks and I’ll be awesome. I may go play cricket tomorrow. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Fasting lowers insulin to near 0. That lets all the receptors in the cells get activated. However when you’re eating your own fat, to the tune of 1/2-3/4 lb a day lot of free fatty acids flood your blood stream. These FFA’s block the glucose uptake mechanism. To get the insulin sensitivity for good you need to get rid of the FFA’s while you have low insulin. So I am thinking I need to get to 6-7% BF. That would get me to where my body isn’t flooding itself with FFA’s and then a few months of a good low fat diet could do it. I’m still experimenting so I don’t know. I’m n uncharted terr ...
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I am 5’ 9.5 so 238 is far worse for me than for someone taller. But I reversed all my diabetic symptoms by the 5th day of my 1st 8 day fast - Oct 26 2016. I was 186 or so that day. June 1st was when I started right after I got the pre-diabetic diagnosis. But I fasted all the way to 142 on Jan 13 2017. After that random fasting/low medium carb and literally random diet has seen me float between 150 and 170. I am making a run @ 135 or so now. The reason I believe you need to get as low as you can - 6-7% BF is because insulin resistance goes up with weight loss because it releases a lot ...
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150 and 160 are my weight in lbs. I have done up to 20 day in the past, several between 3 and 10. But nothing from 10 to 20. Fast sends sleep into an erratic spiral. I’ve had insomnia for a couple days, hopefully today I’ll not wake up in the middle. I actually am OK with insomnia, I hate the shivering @80 degrees I am doing now. Thanks. Srinath   [End]
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I started @ 238. I lost weight very slowly in the beginning because I was just cutting out carbs I didn’t like - AKA bread rice and pizza base. I lost 20lb in 7 weeks. However after a stall etc etc I did Fasting. 28 days of 1 day, then 2, 3, 5, 8, 6, 9, 9, 20 and that entire time I was losing 2/3rd - 3/4 lb a day. Now when I fast, the first 2-3 days see a 10-12 lb loss. Then its back to that 2/3 or so. You should lose pretty rapidly I would think and get to 200 in 21 - but don’t blame me if you don’t. The cleaner your fast the more likely you are to lose well. Plain water as needed ...
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OK this is just my observation. And a bit of Dr Fung’s research too. The fasts get more effective @ getting to fat and burning it I feel. I am more muscular now @ 160 than I was @ 150 the first time I got to 150. Subsequent passes @ 150 got me more and more muscular and I worked out just one session from 150-165 in the last week Jan-1st week Feb time frame. Any time I got to 150 I was more muscular. Protein/muscle catabolism occours mainly in the first 4-5 days of starting a fast. Pretty much a good reason to run long long long fasts till you’re truly hungry again. Muscle is the first ...
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Himalayan salt has iodine a plenty. I may just soak in that. But does iodine get absorbed via skin ? I can just eat it too, I like tea with salt and baking soda. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I am not wanting to Epsom salt soak this fast because I am looking for my body to get rid of its intestinal contents by itself. However The cold hands and feet are very very annoying in 80 degree weather. You think while water fasting I can take iodine ? Should I get nascent Iodine or the one with Potassium OK ? BTW if it will absorb via skin, I’ll apply it to my hands and feet instead of eating it. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Today is day 5 for me and I am on a fast till hunger returns. I fasted dry for 2 days then water for the next day and dry again for 18hrs. Anyway I’m @ hour 110 or so. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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My case could be made worse by the fact that I only ate 3 meals between the previous 3 day and only 1 meal after the previous 5 day. I also believe I did poop right the next day both times. Anyway insomnia is my middle name now as well. Thirst is so close to hunger for how it feels. I hope to fast till hunger returns. I am more worried about the re-feeding than the actual fast. I am thinking I’d just eat organic salads a few days 1/2 with veggies I harvest and 1/2 store bought spinach and kale and dressing made from yogurt with a little bit of mayo. Anything else I don’t think I c ...
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Oooo ancient indian soap. You can wash body and hair with a mix of baking soda and peanut flour (its not exactly peanut but its similar enough) peanut flour after the oil has been extracted - which is easily available I believe should be almost the same. Hair - a bit more baking soda, body, more flour. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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96 hour is in the bag. Not dry anymore, drinking water per thirst and actually not losing weight, which is fine actually. However I also have a weight constipation and would like to see it gone. Likely some weight is from that. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I was having upper body pain for the few hours since I woke up. I also was off and on feeling dizzy. Now I was on the phone for 2 hrs straight for work and family from 9-11:20. That left my mouth feeling like desert. I sat quiet for an hour and my saliva caught up and I feel normal. But dizzy and upper body ache got worse. I then drank ACV. Which is usually my first thing on a non dry fast day. Then 20 mins later water. It lifted that back ache in minutes and dizzy feeling - gone. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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48 hr dry, 24 with water and 8 more dry. 3 am on 6/26/17 - 158.6. Yea the insomnia is back. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Dry fasting cleans you up a bit faster I feel. Its also a bit easier because you’re not constantly going to the fridge looking for water and hence come across food. It also doesn’t wash out the water soluble minerals and vitamins out of you. However I’ve got to the 3 day mark 1 time, and 2 day a few times, its something you have to constantly be wary of. You don’t want to lose that true thirst signal. Better to drink water early than let it go till too late. That could be very bad. I did 2 dry, 1 water and am shooting for 2 more dry and lets see if I can flip back to water for 1 day and d ...
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There is a lot of wild greens that monsatan has labelled ”weeds” so we have to buy the herbicides they sell us, and spray them, and then buy the seeds they sell us to plant that will grow inspite of their poison. Anyway depending on where you are I can tell you what you can get free and its very very good, if you find it in soil that’s not been herbicided to oblivion. The toxic crap they spray turns these awesome plants black and charred. And the clueless idiots think that’s good. I am very very fortunate to have a few acres that hasn’t been weed sprayed for 20 yrs. I’ve not bought anyth ...
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Waking up with high blood sugar when going to bed with low (assuming you don’t eat in your sleep) is called dawn phenomenon. That means your counter regulatory hormones are working well. No worries about that. Eating fats will lower it, but you don’t need to. FBG of 7 is no worry especially when fasting. I don’t know about your cortisol, but I lost 90 lb with or without the problem. Cortisol is my suspicion only because I am tending to put on weight in the belly very quickly. I pretty much can fit 32 jeans onto my legs but cant button it up. Need a 36. Or after a 3 day fast, I am a 33. ...
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159.2 on 6/25/17 after drinking water @ the 47hr mark. Have a light labor day today as well, then I’ll go back to dry for a day or 2. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I have heard of the amalgam related mercury getting removed. Not if you got it as an IV when very young. As in Vaccines. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Yea that was thirst. Tugging feeling in the throat. If a few sips of water get it gone, then its thirst. If the feeling comes back soon after or doesn’t go away with about 6-8 oz water that is hunger. I cant decide, I have a tugging feeling in my diaphragm not my throat. Let me see if it comes back in a bit or not. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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48 hour dry is done. Thinking of a little drink of water and aloe vera juice. I have had a tugging feeling in my throat for a few hours. Maybe its thirst. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Yea that stubborn belly fat. OK I can do 1/2 the job. Get the belly to very very good status. However I have t oat some time start taking a cortisol reducing supplement. Dr berg has a formula I may try. I may try those neck massaging technics. I have the same cortisol issue I feel. I shrunk my legs and face and the soles of my feet. The stupid paunch was the last to go and its the first to come back. And fasting increases stress and that locks the belly fat in. However I feel after 4 days or so, I tend to stress out less. Maybe that could help. I am at a loss too effectively. ...
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Anyway don’t monitor the numbers so constantly, just chill and fast. Every fast is different. And, Cortisol causes belly fat, and sometimes it has some side effects that are not so bad, like it has a feedback loop to HGH production. Look it up, I am not sure where I saw that. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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6/24/17, 159.8 after 36 hr dry. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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24hr dry is done. Onto the next 100 or how many ever dry, then hopefully water. Chilling out is the way to go. I did light enjoyable work, but still had too many thoughts of food. Back to taking it easy now. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Good on you man for making day 7. I am struggling these days to get past 4 or 5, and then I hope it gets easier. I cant take a harder 4 and 5 than the 2 and 3 I am having nowadays. Anyway day 1 of dry is just about 4 hrs from getting over. Hope 2-3-4-5 ---- on is like this and not worse. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I dunno, amalgam is metallic mercury and it does tend to collect in fat and other body tissue. If you’re clearing it, expect major symptoms. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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All the yogurt is eaten. Yesterday lunch was a bowl of brown basmati rice cooked with a bit oc coconut oil and yogurt. Prebiotic and probiotic. Dinner was a scarcely believable 750 gm of broccoli and ~150 gm of leaves cut from my yard. I couldn’t believe someone could over eat broccoli and leafy greens. But I have on many many occasions very well got closer than anyone ever has I’ll bet. Buttermilk dressing I made was awesome and I supplemented a bit with coleslaw dressing @ the end when I ran out. I must have had 24oz of dressing in addition to the salad. OK I went to bed feeling lik ...
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I have access to several greens that grow in my yard. Otherwise I could buy ”organic” from the store for a few days. Past that I am probably going to back slide into store bought foods. I have nice leafy veggies in my yard. That would be my first stop I am thinking. I should go a few days on that, and maybe buy organic veggies to supplement. Juicing of these I wont be able to, these things do not juice at all, too much fiber. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Oh OK I am good with any and all juices. Will be very happy to drink something like OJ as well as tomato juice etc. Now is the regular Walmart issue minute maid etc fine ? Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I have to finish that yogurt tonight, which means I am making buttermilk dressing and salad or having curd rice. Not sure yet. In any case I can not end my eating with either of those meals. So I will be making a huge cici’s dinner run Friday evening Or for lunch. I hope to not gain too much. Today 163.6. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I caved. Made it to hour 75 or so. I saw mold growing on my home made yogurt and just got mad. I ate a 8oz of it and fish with chia, mayo and habanero and am eating walnuts as I type, and these walnuts are going bad inspite of being in the fridge. I have to finish all the food, I cant be waiting for the fungus to eat it. The other 24 oz of yogurt are going to get eaten tomorrow, by itself. I need the probiotic. I also had some dark chocolate and peanut butter. No meal is complete without peanuts or peanut butter and I was out of peanuts. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I am actually not doing as well now as I did on my earlier fasts. The first day which I did dry went 10lb. BTW I am also craving a probiotic heavy curd rice. I may have to fight it for another day and hope it goes away. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I had a question sort of tying the 2 points (you and I made) together. Can I break a fast with yogurt rice. This is very traditional food from my childhood. Home made yogurt, and I’ll make rice with lots of resistant starch by cooking it with a bit of oil, and its usually eaten plain or with a mango or other pickle. These are spicy hot, cooked with red pepper paste. Or I could just eat it plain or with leafy green veggies harvested from my yard. Its a long way away though, I’m still not sure even when I’d be there. 20 days probably maybe more. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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It depends on what your goal is for the fast. The first few days are the hardest. I do fasts for weight loss. So my basic principle was, as needed eat or drink salt, pure fat, ACV coffee or tea almost in that order. Past day 3 or 4, all the cravings and hunger etc etc disappear and you can truly water fast. Think of a weight loss fast as a ramp. The further you are up the ramp, the less you should stray else you’d fall and hurt yourself. Now if it is a fast to cleanse, I’d almost say the same thing except your fast begins on the last time you eat anything but water. If you’re dry ...
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Almost finishing day 3 and I weighed in 160.8lb. The fast 10lb weight loss is almost done. Now the actual fight begins. Actually I would likely get to 155 or so pretty fast. Its more like 10% than 10lb. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I’ve noticed that as you become ”keto adapted” you get less ketones coming out. Obviously if you’re eating massive amounts of fat, your body will be excreting lots of ketones. But when fasting and your liver has been emptied your ketone production will be nicely controlled by your body. It only uses what it needs, and most ketones are going to be burnt and not excreted. So fasting wont get you to ketoacidosis. Partial eating could. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Awesome. Thanks, I’ll have to find it locally. In fact I don’t have Epsom salt either and I’ve been wanting to do that cos I am fighting constipation as well. Not a whole body soak in the tub ? I don’t have a foot bath. I sould use a bucket I guess. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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If you cook rice with water that has a spoon of coconut oil in it, it greatly increases the resistant starch in it. Could be something you could do regardless of the rice type/brand. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I am just tired of cold hands, feet when I am not in shoes and a cold nose. I wish my body would just find the fat and burn it. It takes me a solid 5 or so days to get there. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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3-4 days in I feel a tugging feeling at the top of my stomach. Right under the diaphragm. It sometimes also moves to my throat. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I’m at hour 50. Sorry forgot to put my weight from this morning - 164.8 (down 5 lb from the day before) Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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You’d start to notice if you used ketostix that after 4 days you’d be purple. However after another 3-4 days you will be less purple. You body is getting to a slightly less ketotic state. Still in ketosis, but further away from ketoacidosis than when you start. Which itself is about 10% of what you need to have ketoacidosis. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Olives have lots of fat. Mostly it wont affect your fat burning progress. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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This may be the calmest period of my next 2 yrs. I guess I’ll fast for weight loss now, and worry about cleansing after. Once my wife gets back and I have had a few months of a steady diet, I’ll try the liver cleanse etc. For now I will fast till I get hunger. Or the grabs of fat are gone. Or the simpler thing would be to eat on 30th and the worry of those 8 days will not be an issue. So I’d have broken the fast into 12 day and how many ever days after. Anyway I am approaching 48 hr mark and feeling good. Don’t feel like eating and likely would not feel like eating for a few days atlea ...
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Yea, I figure I had ~3-4 lb worth when I was 141-142 lb. Now @ 169 there is still 3-4lb of that. Plus all the rest of the 28lb is hiding somewhere. Yea I know 3-4 lb intestine contents, 2-3 lb bacteria, 5-10 lb water etc etc and some fat. Anyway 24 hr fast is long done. In fact hour 30 going strong now. Going to keep at it till all the fat cant be grabbed. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Today is day 1, in fact just about completed day 1. Water but there was a 18hr dry stint in the middle. However I am in the middle of moving house. Lots of 20-50lb items need to move from one house to another 100 miles away. I received news that I am getting furloughed in july for a week. So 30th june onward till Monday the 10th. I am going to be doing semi hard labor. This wouldn’t bother me because I did this exact same thing in my 20 day fast Nov-dec. Except I am trying for a pure and cleansing fast. And I want to break it gently with pureed cruciferous veggies and eat lightly for ...
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Oh good, you ate one nice meal and went right into your next fast ? I have done that, its startlingly effective but I am not sure it doesn’t cause metabolic slowdown. Just for the record Dr Fung recommends a n+1 re-feed schedule. Honestly breaking a fast with a massive meal like that, the thought of food is repulsive for a few days. maybe I should eat a smaller meal and ramp up. I think of a fast as a ramp. the closer to the beginning of the fast, you can violate it but not closer to the end. I would drink coffee/tea in the first few hrs/day after start but the deeper you get i ...
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For now I can control that cos my wife and son are in India. Which is why I decided I was going to do the cleanse fast now, will be my last fast for a while atleast. 12hr dry and 18 hr water in I weighed in @ 169.8. A bit heavier than I had hoped, but since the first 4 days are the hardest, I think I’ll be fine, just fast till true hunger returns. Or all the grabs of fat are all gone. Oddly I have less grabbable fat @ 169 than I did @ 149 a few months ago. maybe my skin is getting tighter and hanging less. Or maybe its an illusion. Either way, I need to get it all out. Thanks. S ...
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I am starting today as well. My dry fast is 1 hr away, my water fast is 6 hrs old. I had 2 meals - last night and this afternoon finishing all the food in the house that can go bad. Fasting without the guilt. Let it not be said that Srinath let an onion go bad on his watch. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I am in the last part of a 48 hr fast. I am unable to fast longer. Some time in the next 2-3 weeks I will have to get on the horse and do a 20-25 day. The ”food will go bad” is the biggest reason I am eating. I should get it all eaten today. Then I will have no excuse. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Sorry I keep trickling in information. Cos I remember all this in haphazard fashion. OK in the insulin window you should not be calorie deficient. Protein is a wash, cos most proteins cause enough insulin slow enough to just allow for their processing. But carbs cause insulin out of proportion with their calorie load. Fat causes lower insulin than its calorie load. If you have insulin without the accompanying calories, you will have a lower metabolic rate. If you have calories without insulin, your body will have to burn it and you therefore have a higher metabolic rate whic ...
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Anyway Here are my observations from my own fasting sessions and some research copied from Dr Fung. Ideal time between meals - I’d say 4 days, but up to 13 is fine. Why 4 and 13. After a nice massive meal, for 4 days your body is in hunt mode. You burn energy to find food for your tribe. So, high metabolic rate. Then for 9 more days - You’re in gather mode. Your metabolism returns to its original number slowly over that period. Then it starts to drop further. For weight loss it is not your preferred situation. I have eaten 1 massive fat and protein laden meal between fasts and star ...
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Interesting, I was dry on that day as well. I think I should refrain from dry fasting in the first 4 days after eating. Anyway I dry fasted ~12 hrs after last nights meal, and the sand paper in my mouth feel was just too much to bear. I’ll probably do one more dry spell for ~12 hr maybe sunday morning (its just no drinking water right on waking up for 3-4 hrs LOL) But dry fasts only after day 4 or 5 if I even feel I need to after 4 days of fasting. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I don’t know what the whole menu is, but I’d even go as far as saying forget veggies, definitely bread is a no. I’d eat meat and fat. So chicken salad without the salad. Cheese and butter on everything. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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No you really want to call it an eating day and eat as much as you can with as little carbs as you can. I’ve done several fasts of 3+ days broken with massive fat and protein meals and lost 70+lb in 3 months flat. After that I started the partial and low calorie high carb eating and started to falter. Fasting puts you in ketosis in a day or 3. Eating should keep you in ketosis. 75% calories form fat, 20 from protein and 5% from carbs and keeping it under 20gm carb will do it. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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That’s so sad. Could I have her phone number, the poor thing. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Oddly - and this may be a de-motivator for you - I am a lot like you. I want to live. I want to drink and switching hard liquor for beer is as far as I am willing to go to my health, but 2-3 a day - Long term I aint giving that up. I want to eat sweet foods. I want to eat meat. I want to drink coffee and tea. Lots more. All I am interested in and this after a ”catastrophically successful” 75+lb weight loss and diabetes reversal, I only want to be reset to where I was @ say 20. I want to continue the carefree practices of the last 30 yrs and only get to this point say in 20 yrs. ...
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OK I was thinking you were eating veggies. Never mind. OK carbs have the effect of lowering you metabolic rate too via the increased insulin. I probably over estimated your calorie intake as well. You should stay at the same calorie level you are now, but switch to nearly all fat with moderate protein for ~5 days. Now remember this will not get you losing weight, your still have massive insulin from the food you’re eating now and the insulin resistance. What it will do is lower your insulin and provide you with lots of fuel to burn and put you in ketosis without stressing you out much. ...
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Is feeling sad and depressed a sign of detox ? Last time I felt absolutely miserable on day 3. I thought it was the general lack of food, and the fact that what I was working on was not being successful. Almost like a light switch it disappeared on day 4. No food and the thing I was trying to fix wasn’t any better. Is that a sign of detox ? I ended it on day 5 much to my own disappointment. But in a few weeks I will be returning to a long fast and even in the mean time I’ll be fasting for 4-5 day periods and may encounter it again. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Oh wait a sec then. I was thinking from your weight gain you have a massive calorie surplus. What do you eat then ??? lots of veggies have tons of carbs. For insulin response some of those are worse than actual sugar, cos they also digest slow, and load you up with insulin for hours. Broccoli for example has a 12+ hour digest window. I burp broccoli smell for 12 hrs after eating it. It gives me massive bloat from the gut microbes feasting on the fiber and carbs. After I wake up 3-4 hours and a few trips to the bathroom make it all ”deflate”. Sorry I thought you’re calorie loading ...
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On the bright side, you’re probably burning 5000 calories every day. Graduate to eating straight meat and fat for 4-5 days - no alcohol or baked goods, but meat and butter - all you can eat - 4-5 days. Then fast. This may be a very non cleansing or may fly in the face of everything good and healthy, but it will keep your body burning 5000 calories and the first 4 days where it will be like your head’s on fire you’re likely to burn more than 5000. Then over 13 days you slowly return to 5000. Then for many many months you stay @ 5000 inspite of a drop in body weight. Good clean fasting ...
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A bottle of wine ? How much is that in Oz ??? and what alchohol %. I have heard about 2 drink equivalent if it is hard liquor has the effect of getting your insulin sensitivity up. Meaning its effect on the liver could be 0-negligible with added side effect to trigger insulin receptors. Red wine especially if it is very dry I have heard is better. 2 drink equivalent would be ~10-12oz. Past that it does the opposite, rather rapidly. Liver function can be good-normal for 10-20 yrs as the liver gets clogged with fat. Then when it transports ~1gm to the pancreas, there things instantly sen ...
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I have also had this happen. The longest I have done is a 20 day and I did it for weight loss leading to reversal of pre-diabetes. It worked startlingly effectively with no ill effects. I am on day 1 now and likely 4-5 dayer, will decide to break it based on my social calendar. Likely Saturday afternoon/evening. I have a related observation. Day 3 I felt sad and depressed, almost not even directly food related. Could that be a detox symptom and maybe I am detoxing but more mentally than physically. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Also I have been eating this way since Oct last year. Very heavy in cruciferous veggies and good fats. That too may be @ play with the ”already detoxed” situation. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I ate a whole forest last night. Only thing I ”bought” was the 2 heads of broccoli. The rest of it all was cut from my yard and eaten in 1/2 hr. My friend also said I should refeed low carb for n+1 days. As in, fast for 3 days then eat for 4. Except, I am not feeling it. I am rather tired of eating. I think I want to fast another 3-4 days before my next meal. I dunno, I hope it doesn’t lower my metabolic rate. This morning I felt like coffee, so I had some. And it almost feels like ”aaaahhh that is about what I missed yesterday” Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I have been going since Jan 2014. I was in some serious pain. I had foot surgery sept 2013, and it eliminated a lot of pain and problems. Then the 4 X a month chiropractor appts essentially in ~6-8 months eliminated any body aches. I still have a few niggles here and there but nothing long term. That and fasting and the weight loss have pretty much sorted my health out. Hopefully for good. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Archus - you are brilliant, I am so sorry I haven’t been listening. So I spoke to my friend who is very well recognized in the keto community. And he pretty much follows Dr Fung. The jist essentially is this. Fasting isn’t the right tool for weight loss. Intermittent fasting is. What’s the difference - you probably know this well, but I didn’t. So interpreting Dr Fung courtesy my friend: 24 hr fasting has an acronym OMAD. Its been put into a different category than IF. IF as explained to me is anything over 24 hr but under 4 days. 4 days is a good cut off point becaus ...
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Oh, had a question. Can I go to the chiropractor while fasting ? I have been for the whole duration, 4 times a month and I have not missed a single month since jan 2014 when I started. I credit these with my lack of symptoms during these fasts. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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I’ve broken multi day fasts with essentially pizza without the bread. And lots of it. I’ve also hit the Chinese buffet, Indian buffet and golden corral. Oddly I have never felt bad in any of those. The common factor was they were all heavy meat oriented. I never walked out of a restaurant feeling worse than when I went in. And it wasn’t any normal quantity either. I ate for the next 10 days. I don’t know what any of this means. No symptoms when fasting and none when breaking it. Oh, I have a left thigh cramp now, unusual for me. Detox sign ??? I will persevere and this time I will ...
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2 days atleast dry, and brilliantly I showered and spoke to the lovelies where its early early early in the morning, and was beginning to hit the sack ~9:30 when I got a work call. Awesome, 3 hrs down the drain. But still dry fasting. My son has a lot of indications that fasting will help, however he’s also very low in BF and yes C section and vaccines from 1998 with tons of mercury etc etc. He should fast, he anyway eats poorly. However my wife will not let him fast. I have been asking her to keep him low carb, and even that she doesn’t. I told her eggs and bacon is better than O ...
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You’re likely to lose on average 10% of your body weight in the first few days. That will mostly be water, and no worries, when refeeding that will come back just fine. Then every fasting day you’d likely lose 1/2-3/4 lb. 21 days may be as much as 14lb. At the end of a 21 day fast - you could be as much as 27 lb less. So 103lb worst case. I don’t think that is very healthy longer term, but if you got there before you re-feed and put weight back on in a good way with better gut flora - maybe that could be OK. Someone who knows more should come along - I hope. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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OK 96 hours in, and I actually gathered wild dill (I think its called dog fennel) and cooked up 3 onions and a bunch of sauerkraut and chia for the last 90 mins and didn’t touch it to my lips. The cravings are gone. New pattern, days 1-2 are easy, in fact I dry fasted through part of 1 and nearly all of 2, 3 is a nightmare, 4 is 1/2 a nightmare. I have been deep in ketosis since day 2 and I now can go without food or water (right after my shower in 3 mins) for as long as I can. I’m thinking 3 dry and how many ever it takes with water after that. Since I never get any symptoms o ...
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Watermelon is high in glucose. Almost sure to put you out of keto unless you eat very very little. OTOH it is low in overall carbs. But I’d still be cautious. Or is fructose worse since it must be processed by the liver for ketosis ??? Well pure alcohol doesn’t put people out of keto so liver isn’t the primary concern I guess. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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Oh yea I want to do that too. Hopefully someone will answer and I can also learn. Thanks. Srinath.   [End]
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