from an article in blacklistednews.com ..... In 1945 dentists set out to prove that adding fluoride chemicals into public water supplies safely prevented children’s tooth decay. The studies failed; but early fluoridationists ignored this inconvenient truth and forged ahead. Now with 2/3 of public water supplies fluoridated, Americans are fluoride overdosed and suffer from fluoride’s toxic effects as cavity rates climb. In 1955, ten years into the experiment, researchers reported more bone defects, anemia and earlier female menstruation in children purposely dosed with sodium fl ...
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If there is a better place to send this, please do, but I do find the fine folk who frequent this forum are interested in any good information out there. I found it a very interesting page about nanotechnology and food - more poisoning of the food supply. http://www.blacklistednews.com/iNP/view.asp?ID=5156   [End]
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I have not talked to my narcissistic dad in over a year. He is getting on, and I know that our time is short, but I don’t want to talk to him. I love him very much, and I still do feel extreme guilt for not talking to the Poor-old-man-who-won’t-be-around-much-longer. Extreme guilt, which I try to push away, or down, but manifests in gallbladder problems, fairly heavy consumption of wine, and low-level depression. I have worked very hard to heal from him, I hate the guilt, because there is a healthy part of me that knows that I did not earn, but was taught, this sense of guilt. It was hand ...
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It is my dear hope that this poster will reply, and will take you seriously, SS. It is so hard to accept the reality of who we are dealing with. This person ”loves” us! It is a hassle to leave!! I don’t want to lose my ”stuff”!! Those attitudes nearly killed me. The women that have turned up dead as a result of domestic abuse ”loved” their husbands, and their husbands ”loved” them - to death. Abusers declare loudly and constantly how much they love their partners, even as they are controlling them or choking them to the floor. ”I love you, you f-ing b_tch”, was a common and favorite phra ...
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http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=19602&fr= Here he is....   [End]
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I live in Texas, in an area above Houston that was rural till about 5 years ago, when progress came roaring up the freeway. Anyway, there is a town to the east of where I live called Cut n’ Shoot. Many people know that it exists because of its’ name. They have lots and lots of resales and junk shops and flea markets out there. The shops are not necessarily orderly, and most are filled with useless junk that is dusty and cobwebby, but you can find the overlooked treasure or two. As you are driving there, you will pass old junky trailers with dogs and cars on blocks, scrap yards, typical rur ...
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I read an article once about iodine in the diet of pigs - maybe it got posted before the Big C-Zone Crash... as I recall, it said that farmers monitor the amount of iodine that the pigs get, because too much will make the fat in the bacon too soft! So they want only a certain ratio so that the bacon fat will be firm, but in Japan they like it softer, or something like that. Sorry for the paraphrase, I just remember thinking about how this supports the fat liquification, which I am all for!   [End]
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My dad is an NPD. His big thing was to get sick when we got sick. Example. I was 10 and got pneumonia, very bad, had to go to the emergency room when I passed out in a movie theater from fever. My sister and I shared a room and we had twin beds. As soon as I was well enough to function, dad got ”sick”, and took to my sisters bed beside me. Being the oldest, I had to get up and tend him, which resulted in my having a relapse. If one of us was sick, he would get sick. This has resulted over the years in my refusing to be sick. One of the big running jokes when I was diagnosed with fibroi ...
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Is perio-menopause a possibility? I have just recently entered into the Wonderful World of Menopause, and have experienced moderate anxiety attacks, edema, fatigue, night sweats and the famous Crying at the Drop of a Hat. Thank god I don’t get the Lifetime Channel... Just went to the doctor for a hormone panel. Told her about iodine supplementing, expecting some sort of rebuke, but got none. She was aware of breastcancerchoices.org, and the renewed interest in iodine. Cool lady. At any rate, these symptoms come and go. I have good days and bad days, I thought they would be consistent ...
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I am losing a fair amount of hair as well, but am going tomorrow for a hormone panel, as I think I am in menopause, and iodine has NOT helped THAT! :) My hair and nails are growing at what could be called a phenomenal rate, though, it is obvious and my clients at the salon have noticed and commented on how long it is and how fast it has grown this year. and it looks luxurious. I am actually able to keep nails, in spite of having them in haircolor and water all the time. Iodine has DEFINATELY made a difference there. My pharmacy-tech friend told me that little old ladies come in wanting ...
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For me, I quit responding in such a way that I was feeding HIS ”stuff”. No wood for the fire, there is no fire. I am curious as to what it is that you quit. I think I know, but was wanting to hear from you - what did you quit. Not feeding the ”Dynamic” is very difficult, sometimes I don’t succeed. But I am now giving it an opportunity to change on its own, without my ”well meaning assistance”. I feel better that way. My current relationship may not survive. ”we got issues”. But that’s ok. I get a chance to see what I do, no finger pointed at him. (well, sometimes, but I try to snap out of ...
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Ok, sounds weird, but think about this: Maybe your wife is starting to respond because YOU are behaving differently. Before you say No, listen: thoughts are energy, energy that produces a result. Thoughts are creative. They create, they have life. A thought does NOT, as the saying goes, ”come out of nowhere” - they come from you, and they go somewhere and produce a result. Often when people try to change in a big way, things will go haywire particularly in the area of change. As if your crap jumps up and says ”are you sure you want to get rid of me? I have served you all these years”. ...
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I read this whole thread, and kinda deep-sighed over some of this, and felt that I wanted to add to it. I have read several self-deprecating statements that you have written, and these statements are very familiar to me, as I spoke in the language that you use for years. I will give you an example, and mind you, I am paraphrasing:”I am such a nice guy, and women don’t appreciate it *deep sigh*, I don’t care a thing about myself, just so SHE’S happy *deep sigh*, I know, I know, it’s all my fault, I should know better, but I don’t, I am just a man *deep, sad sigh*,I will simply carry on with ...
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One thing it may help to remember is that threatening suicide is one of the manipulations that works the best on women like us. What an amazing amount of power someone can have by threatening to kill themselves!! And if he did, you are NOT responsible. Look at it like this: This man, who has NO PROBLEM packing up and leaving you and your child WHENEVER HE WANTS TO, who has NO PROBLEM leaving you in tears and financial trauma and heartache, is going to kill himself, WHY?? Because he LOVES you?? Doesn’t make sense, does it? At this time, in this place, RIGHT NOW, this is what he will do f ...
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thanks for the hugs :) I know the stages of grief you are talking about. I am only now finding my way to acceptance. I could go around and around all the stages and never hit acceptance. I actually caught myself in the bargaining stage, thinking I was accepting! I would go ”ok, I accept this”, but inside I was still waiting and hoping for change. Most recent example: We are all big readers in my family, and we all like certain topics. For dad it is war stories and the like. Since I am the Garage Sale Queen, I would find books for dad and always have a nice little stack for him when I we ...
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Lakelight- Of course you are sad, and of course you have a head cold! We are definately physically influenced by our emotions. Louise Hay has a book about that. The grief that I still feel is really the futility of it all. All that effort to love someone with NPD, only to learn that you CAN’T - they really won’t let you. And the sorrow of losing the fantasy - that they will somehow ”come to” amd become an authentic person. But they won’t. They go storming off into the night with their fist raised, cursing YOU because you won’t ”act right”. My biggest heartache is the knowing that my ...
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We have 3 dogs, each is such a unique personality, I think it would be hard if one were sick. Some time ago, my cat got ill and the doc said she may not live, and the impact on me was much more than I expected!! Sorry for the bad news. Well, on the other...now you can further your healing. It is a bittersweet thing, I know. I still feel ”weird” about not talking to dad, almost a year now. But I know that as long as there is the dynamic that was, that I cannot sustain in that relationship. It just costs too much. The good part for me is that I now discern in all my relationships. My boyf ...
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I was a total hysterectomy - oh wait, only one ovary removed - you know, I only feel a little sorry for myself- not a big sorry... take the time and effort to have your levels checked, I will be soon. Honestly, I think that will make the biggest difference with how I care for myself...   [End]
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Well, poor OJ is a ”victim” once again. I have felt for years that he is the consummate narcissist, the perfect example of how one operates with this disorder. Some other articles indicate that he felt he was exercising his ”right” to take the law into his own hands, I saw a video the other day stating that he would never pay the Goldmans any money, if it meant he would never work again. He said with this little evil grin ”I’ll just play golf all day”. He literally gives me the creepies. Literally , the little hairs on my face stand up when I see him or hear him talk. It is all too famil ...
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to be honest, and i am not posting with my number for the sake of naked honesty, so no crummy jokes, ok?, but yes, there is a difference for me. Before the hysterectomy, I could feel the penis ”bumping” my uterus, and now I cannot feel that feeling, of course. I feel an empty space up high, and my sex partner does not feel that ”resistance” either. Although sex is ok, I can tell it is different for him, based on his responses. As far as emotionality goes, I don’t feel as much now and I do miss it. I miss my sex parts that are gone. I have to work harder at my libido, as testosterone the ...
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man, whenever I do 200 mgs, I turn lobster bright red and my skin raises in whelps and I have an anxiety problem. I just cannot handle it.   [End]
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My sister has breast cancer, she had survived dad by being the ”good” one - she figured that if she ”got in agreement” with dad in all areas of her life, that he wouldn’t terrorize her. With dad, his way of thinking was right, and if you disagreed, you were toast. I was the ”truth-bearer” in our family. Dad had kidnapped us and effectively silenced mom, my sister was too conforming to bear truth, and I guess at a young age I decided to not conform. I think my sister has breast cancer because of the suppression of Who She Really Is, and stuffing her anger. She is neurotic, and you have to b ...
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Please be kind to yourself about any guilt that you feel. One thing a NPD does to us is to create tremendous amounts of guilt. There is earned and unearned guilt. It is very difficult for us to discern which is which. People who have dealt with NPDs’ and survived understand this, and we are here to help you discern. The guilt comes and goes with me. I think I may be dealing with this for a very long time, but I work very hard to discern, and most often find that I am feeling UNEARNED guilt. None of us ”don’t understand” why you did what you did. Ask yourself if your guilt is earned or u ...
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Oh please hang in there. The emotional detox will certainly take time, and this is probably a very very good time to be exercising and to have kindness toward your selves. The adrenaline that runs for years when dealing with a difficult person will cease, and the ”let-down” can be a strange feeling. That has been my experience, at any rate. I have found that anger has rolled over me in waves, at different times, but in a way, I have learned to kind of embrace the anger, because i am finally being angry at what I needed to be angry at. As long as I was trying to have a relationship with my ...
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Day 2 : 2 drops, after 2 weeks off all supplements: about 2 -3 hours after ingesting the 2 drops - severe sinus blocking and big headache from stuffy nose. No salt push then as I was at work. Headache stayed until we went for mexican cuisine and I drank 2 margaritas. Hey I figured I’d better be honest. Will continue -tomorrow being Sunday, I will do my drops, then salt push if my head gets stuffy again. When I first did any iodine 6 months ago, I wound up with a very bad head cold that started out just like this - the sinus headache and stuffy thing - why do you all suppose that I am d ...
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Just started back, using the Wilsons, after a 2 week break, 2 drops a day, and will work up weekly. 2 weeks ago I stopped all supplements due to the following symptoms: Very very sore bones in hands, feet and legs - painfully sore - cystic acne bumps - heavy fatigue - overall malaise. After carefully reveiwing what I was ingesting, I believe that the issue was related to my taking a DHEA formula that my supplement store lady was convinced would heal my ”adrenal fatigue issues” that she said I had because my pupils were dilated in her dimly lit shop. I feel she meant well, but when I in ...
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Terrific post, SS! I like your description of emotional death. I still experience and alternating between sorrow and acceptance since I stopped interacting with my dad, but I experience more acceptance these days than I do sorrow. I know that I still experience anger at times, see ”bottled up misery” below, but as I express it in a safe place (here and with a trusted person), and in a safe way, and as long as I identify what it is I am feeling, it dissipates much more quickly and is not as destructive to me. In turn I am not destroying my relationships by being so locked in the past. La ...
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I was thinking that perhaps it would be better if you did not allow a man to ”get involved” with you, or to fall in love. Maybe it would be better, if you want to continue protecting your Self from love, not to go into relationship with them. There are so many (too many) men that just want a f***buddy type deal. And that way, no one gets hurt and everyone gets their itch scratched. I was involved with a man who was a player, and like the mouse and the cheese, I ran down the 4th tunnel over and over again regarding him. I noticed when he would select a new woman to cheat on me with, that t ...
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Man all you guys are great!! Thanks for all the positive reinforcement. I am going to start b-vitamin-ing tomorrow, and get ready for re-introduction to iodine. How often to salt load if I am using 2 - 5 drops a day? And should I take 3 g of C? I don’t want to go into the world of supple-mania again. I realized that when my sister got breast cancer, I panicked and started taking everything. That is not healthy, that is fear-based. I must have gotten scared that it took me 40-odd years to get my life together, I didn’t want a health issue to take it away. That is very fear-based. ...
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Ok - you guys helped me with the copy and paste so, in case someone missed this post a while back, this is what was going on before: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=952443 Update: With no supplements at all. My urine stayed very thick and of varying degrees of tan and dark yellow or yellow orange, no matter how much water I drank, for about 3 days. Now it is sometimes clear, but still not as clear as it should be. I was very muzzy-headed, and still experienced extreme fatigue for about 5 days. Then it was afternoon fatigue, now very little fatigue. My bones hurt considera ...
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what is the prednisone for? Have you talked with him about the growing number of atheletes that are having heart issues possibly due to using aspartame and other chemicals?   [End]
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I intend to put out business cards - my name, my business #, and website addresses - I am the same way - I tell wherever I go. Tomorrow I will post the results of going cold turkey on all supplements - then I will resume a protocol that uses 2 drops/day of Wilsons! I can’t figure out how y’all post the post #’s for reference, but some of you remember my post from 5 or 6 days ago reffering to how toxic I was - report to follow. Tonite is a distant thunderstorm, a small snifter of brandy and Van Morrison. Viva La Tejas!!!   [End]
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Like Harleygrl, I spent years in a lop-sided relationship and only got wasted years to show for it. I am curious as to what it is you love about this man? He is as unavailable as can be. He really doesn’t even sound likeable. You said that you wouldn’t mind if he talked to girls if he didn’t do all the other stuff he does. He won’t stop doing that, trust me. He gets a narcissitic feed off the attention I am sure. After all, he’s a ”rock star”, so I feel certain that he enjoys the ”groupie” attention. That probably will not change. You are asking for our help. I think you knew we w ...
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You are so right. I am very aware that I work in chemicals, especially because I try so hard to avoid them every where else!! I am leasing a small room in a big building full of small salons - my room is probably 8 X 10. I don’t do perms, but specialize in color and cutting. So lots of chemicals there. I am currently looking for a non-ammonia line, but I feel that it doesn’t make much difference as you have to have some sort of developer for the color. It may not be ammonia, but it is something. This is difficult, doing hair is really the only skill that I have, and it is lucrative - I wi ...
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Honestly, it’s a limited one - I took Estratest HS for about 2 years till I couldn’t stand it anymore, than slowly weaned myself off, and once I tried Zoloft for about 1 month, couldn’t stand it either. But come to think of it, there was a time I was pretty dependent on alcohol and ibuprofen - lots of ibuprofen. That was about 6 years ago.   [End]
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I know people who have a much lesser education than you are describing, and they think they know it all, too. I find that character defect crosses all socio-economic lines. They’re narcissists. Dreadful people to be around. I now avoid them like the plague....   [End]
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As much as I dislike the salt loading, I did it this morning, and found my pee to have a yucky color. My workout was lousy, I am so tired, but I will try to get ”back to normal”. I am off tomorrow, and will attend to this poor shell that houses my spirit - fluids, salt load, napping, baking bread while listening to dvd musicals - all the good stuff. No workout. Must recoup. Great thread, thanks!   [End]
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I meant to add: I do use selenium - 200 mcg once a day, and a multi once or twice a week. sorry. Salt loading I have avoided except on occasion - which was when my kidneys hurt as I upped the dose. This pain is steady. do you all suggest that I load now? Or do a series of flushes while I am off iodine??   [End]
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I have been using iodine since way back, as some of you know, all the way back to the inception of this forum, and before. What a great trip it has been!! I have watched this forum grow, and newbies come in and expand our intelligence even further. I have hesitated to post this, but was encouraged through a private email correspondance to do so in order to gather input and to share info. I have been supplementing on an average of 8 or so horizontal drops a day since February. Many wonderful benefits occured - no more sore breasts, skin not dry, some weight loss at the beginning, among o ...
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Will you explain the protocol behind this? I am set up for an appt. for a tummy tuck consultation - something I have always wanted, and am curious that maybe I can pull my sking tighter and reduce fat deposits with this ... What cream do you use, how do you add iodine and do you look weird, or does it blend in? I was painting my breasts on occasion and my ”jellyfish” (belly), but not often and not when I knew it was a ”boyfriend night”, We’re living together now, and I don’t paint Lugols’ like I used to.... I will tell you - learning to live with someone at 45 is a big pain in the ass.. ...
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pass, please : )   [End]
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Boy I needed some ”head-pats” and you all stepped right up to the plate. I think it is odd the way we are supposed to act like we don’t need kudos or comfort or praise, when we all get low and crave it so much. I do think repressing that need is not healthy, but in my current world, there is a lack of it, so thanks guys for giving me what I need! In the process of changing and dealing with all this, I find that I am losing a lifelong fantasy that somehow dad would ”come around” and make all that old hurt right. I know that you, soulful, rememeber my old ranting posts from last year where ...
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Good set of instructions. These suggestions are things I can do. I do not have grave finacial troubles, though, I just don’t make a lot of money. I don’t even have credit issues. I hate credit, and keep it to bare bones minimum. I just don’t make gobs of money. I could use a little bit more each month, but on a personal level, I love what I do, and I love to be there and do it. But I don’t get rich on it, and I don’t care to be, that issue is more my being upset with him and his vision of me - I keep defending my choice of profession and my particulars that got me where I am, and defend ...
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Hey Fledg- I am just so tired. So many years of running the same loop in my head, wanting peace. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard ”just let go”. I wish it were that simple. Sure, anything that will help. Although I am better than what I was, I am lousy inside right now, I am angry at myself for being broke all the time, for not having normal stuff like health insurance and retirement, or money to chip in for things when we go somewhere - my boyfriend, who I just moved in with, thinks that i am ”irresponsible”, because I have to juggle my bills and don’t pay them on time. Th ...
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That’s funny, one of the first things I noticed on iodine was ”the juicy” - I sure welcomed it - I had a hysterectomy in my 30’s - I am 45, and was using progesterone creme with very mixed results prior to iodine - I had very sore breasts, no lubrication, mini-flashes, etc and felt that the creme did not do much. I felt ”estrogen-y”. Enter Iodine. At 8 months supplementing: no more sore breasts (4 months), nice and juicy with better libido, and with the progesterone creme(natural by the way) and the DHEA-F formula from natures sunshine ( recommended by my health food place to supplement wi ...
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Yes, I do understand human nature too well. I have been told often by my clients that they like to run their stuff by me because I can see below the surface. You said ”you were stolen from your mother and grandparents (have you no regard for justice?) and your happiness was stolen from their dreams, your sister’s dreams, and worst of all, your past happiness was stolen from you (and that theft STILL invades your life, but it doesn’t have to continue).” That is a very true and profound statement, I wish that my therapist could have said that to me a long time ago. And all those years I ...
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Well thanks. Your reply brought a tear to my eye. I am smiling from ear to ear, knowing that you speak the truth, which is what I love to hear after a life of lies and bull. I guess you are right, in that case, he did great, cause I could live through nuclear holocaust I do believe, and so could the kids, as I have told them. They are experiencing stuff many kids don’t. and they ARE learning survival. I appreciate you.   [End]
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I was very badly abused by dad growing up. He slapped, punched and choked me, complete with shouting about all that he thought I was. He kidnapped us from my dear mom and grandparents, who had had no experience with a violent, narcissitic Italian guy. Because I was the oldest, and a girl, I was to fill in the role of wife and mother to my sister. This is covert sexual abuse, I am told. I left home at 17, because I thought he would kill me. He will tell you that it was because I was ”doing things”, like running away and smoking pot and sleeping with boys. And I ws doing those things, becaus ...
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Like the grasshopper in the parable, I waited till the last minute to try to buy Lugols. I used the references up top to attempt to order, and the least expensive site that was actually still displaying pages was niles bio. Well they contacted me today and told me that the califormia justice department called them yesterday, and told them no more selling lugols. They had to refuse their delivery from their distributor. Being the grasshopper that I was, I no longer know where to get lugols. Can I still order from Jcrows? No offense to them ,but I was really trying hard to avoid paying th ...
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Y’all are in beautiful, but wet, Central tx, but pour me, pour me is over here in Montgomery, above the b-hole that is Houston, I live a few miles from the Renaissance Festival, used to be the country but boy how we are changing. How I envy you Hill-country dwellers. You are correct, there are lots of Texans on CZ. What is the name of the biergarten? We are always looking for great places for our little Harley trips... Still getting the rain, but not for the last 2 days, we have a little frog farm going on under the oaks here - all different kinds of frogs, and gobs of them. We like to ...
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Wait, explain this corn chip thing to me. I don’t see additives on the label of ingrediants on the chips I like! That’s the only kind of chip I eat, as I know the potato chip thing...   [End]
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I find that when I wake in the morning, I must immediately drink water, and almost as immediately break my fast. So oil pulling on an empty stomach is very uncomfortable for me. It is also much easier to pull after my S.O. has left for work, as he likes to chat in the morning. I am pulling about an hour away from eating and drinking, and my question is: am I defeating the purpose here?? There are very few times during the week that I am 4 hours out from eating and in a place to pull. I hope that something is better than nothing. Also, I tend to have a reflex swallow, I block away as ...
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We need a watermelon taste-off- down here in texas, it is the Hempstead watermelon that the old black men sell on the side of the road. Red heaven.   [End]
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You know, that makes sense. I came from a very severe abuse situation, all the therapy has not taken the memory, and with the memory comes pain. Memory-pain. Though I am 45 now, the memory-pain is always there, and there are few moments where I truly am fully happy, as that memory-pain lurks. It is better than it was due to some very difficult soul work I did a few years back, and sometimes things surface to be dealt with. During those times I am depressed and chewing more. But as I have improved with loving myself, the drive has lessened. I am looking for and anticipating a full healing, ...
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I had an Ioni-Thermie wrap at the salon I work at, and have another one coming up. My target areas are my ”square butt”. You spread a solution on your skin, they wrap a clay pack around the target areas, but the clay does not touch the skin, then they attach electrodes that strongly contract and stimulate the area. I lost a total of 4 &7/8 inches overall between my thighs and waist. The girl that did the wrap has been a client of mine since she was in the 8th grade, and I asked her flat out if this was bunk, told her I would never tell if it was, but she assured me that it is not. She ...
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How do you get rid of an addiction to food? I have believed for a long time that I have a fixation with comfort food. I could give you the whole brutal psychological breakdown as to why, but not necessary. I do know that I eat, particularly when I am alone, and love to chew and chew, so in trying to change my eating lifestyle, I chew and chew stuff like carrots, almonds, jerky (yeah, I know), but then I will go for things like peanut butter crackers, corn chips with salsa, etc.Don’t tell me to chew gum!, weirdly enough, I hate gum. I frequently crave salt now, sometimes sugar, but it us ...
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Last night I was at the going-away party of a gal that happens to be one of the best waitresses in Texas. She’s a Yankee from Chi-CAgo, and we forgive her anyway, cause she’s so cool. So we’re all getting hoop-dy and singing kareoke, and someone starts singing ”Purple Rain” and the first thing I see in my mind is Trappers’ Purple Moses, and then I turn to my boyfriend and say, ”this is the theme song of the Iodine Forum”, and THAT LOOK crosses his face. You know, Veterans of the Violet, the one that says ”Huh??”. But I knew. And I smiled to myself. Yes, I Knew. Thanks, guys, fe ...
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5 a day just isn’t the trick-but I’ll bet we know what is... http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070717/sc_nm/cancer_breast_diet_dc_2;_ylt=AvGGMN...   [End]
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Could you please explain the magnesium therapy and the IP6? I have been taking magnesium citrate for about a month now, no IP6 but am getting ”curiouser and curiouser” about it. Why magnesium? what kind and how much? the internet info confuses me, and I have always felt that your info and insights are trustworthy. thanks   [End]
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Oh Yeah!! I used to have very difficult bowels, probably what doctors would call Irritable Bowel. There has been vast improvement in that area. My skin is not dry and ashy anymore, my hair and nails are growing like crazy, my adult acne is non-existant, I have better energy - not optimal, unfortunately, but that would improve if I didn’t enjoy good wine so much - I no longer have sore breasts at all, at anytime of the month, and that is going on 3 months, so it took about 3 months to stock up in the breast area, I guess, THAT has been amazing, as I had sore breasts all the time. Like a ...
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I started Iodine about 6 months ago, and approximately 4 days into it I developed a whopping case of what I thought was the flu. Fever, awful chills, stuffy nose and head, but I kept using the Iodine. Later I came to believe that the Iodine did indeed flush some virus or bacteria out of hiding. I agree whole-heartedly with Hopinso.   [End]
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Man you guys are really getting hit with the rain! I Live somewhat near Navasota, in Montgomery, we have it bad, but you have it BAD! Poor Marble Falls. The humidity in Austin should be hovering right at 99%.   [End]
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Try to be nice to yourself. One thing I know - I would never treat others the way I treat myself. And if I treat myself poorly, others know they can too. Intuitively. You are articulate and express yourself well to us. When we are engaged with an abuser, we never know how they will react. Will they respond nicely or will they blow? This creates the confusing believe that we cannot communicate well. The truth is, THEY do not communicate well. Think about it. It is frightening to carry on a conversation with a short-tempered person. You may get great tolerance one minute, and have your h ...
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Perhaps you are trying to ”paint an objective picture” because as you are reading these posts, they are reacting in such a shocked way that you feel (in your warped perspective) that they are OVER reacting. The ”it’s not so bad” syndrome. That is absolutely typical of an abused person. I know, I was one - when people recoiled in horror at my stories of being hit choked, etc. I would do the exact same thing - oh, but we ALSO have SUCH a good time together, blahblah. It really is typical in your situation. STOP PAINTING THE OBJECTIVE PICTURE. THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE PICTURE WITH AN ABUSE ...
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I somewhat agree with you on this. Only somewhat. You are correct that the son has the right to his feelings, of course. And it indeed seems that the mother wishes to erase the harsh feelings and pushes to do so, understandably as well. However, I am detecting a strong case of ”beating mom over the head at every opportunity” syndrome, and here is where I disagree with the ”right” to be angry. Being angry is one thing. Vomiting anger at every opportunity is another entirely. We can all claim our ”rights”. ”I had a right to be angry”, ”I had a right to hit her , she pissed me off”, ”I had ...
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Sorry it took so long to get back, I had a long work day! The recommendations that were made to me at that time as I recall was to salt load and take the vitamin C and selenium. I did 1/2 tsp of Hawaiian sea salt in 1 qt. water twice a day, and did about 4,000 mg Vitamin C spread out over the hours, not all at one time. I couldn’t tolerate the selenium at 200mcg, so I do 100, even now. I am not doing a salt water protocol at this time. I do, however use sea salt more than ever, and am slowly doing away with table salt. I never, ever drink soda, not diet or otherwise, so I really get ...
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I know how things are changing regarding getting 5% Lugols come July or so. I had gotten some lugols from MedEx way back at the beginning, when Trapper got his, right before they ”backordered” it off their catalog. So I got very spoiled at the great price, and am hesitant to pay so much to JCrows’ (please don’t take offense, Crows, I am a lower-income individual, and every single penny counts). But I know I need to get another quart to stash away for the future, and was wondering what the current offerings are out there. Has anyone had any problem with Clarkson? An update is appreciat ...
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An amusing thing I have noticed is that ”stare” that you are describing usually takes place over the can of diet coke they are drinking as I am talking. Now there’s some poison for you!!! Some wise guy named Jesus said that if people don’t want what you have, shake the dust off your sandals and find people that do. I don’t spend too much time anymore explaining. I state my benefits, a brief history, then write down one or two websites depending on level of interest. Iodine4health.com and/or Curezone (if I see a higher level of interest), and breastcancerchoices.org if someone has in ...
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Texas is certainly full of beautiful people - and scenery! I live near Houston, in Montgomery, and we are getting so urban, I hate it. Oh to be lounging by the Pedernales right now!!! Lots of Texans on the Iodine forum   [End]
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My sister lived in Kobe for 4 years and said it is also from the amount of pickled foods that they eat. Pickled stuff is supposed to be a big no-no. Also, I do recall when I was a girl seeing a Life magazine that had a long article about the extremely high levels of mercury in the waters there. The pictures of the sick people stood out so much to me as a youngster that I never forgot them.   [End]
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Tell me slow, so I understand - I get the raciest heart on 100mg niacin, and feel terribly anzious, but the flush itself does not bother me, 50 mg just makes me blotchy in places, and I didn’t know if that is sufficient or if I need the whole giant flush the 100 brings on. Any suggestions??   [End]
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Hi Marty - Have you taken the recommended Vitamin C, selenium and sea salt, too?? That should help some - I am wondering if you drank a lot of pop like Mountain Dew, or do you now drink diet sodas- maybe lots of bromide in there?? Anyway, my hope is that you have read the information on this forum - there is so much, I know. But I do know that I was unable to easily up my dosage until I started to follow it up with the C, salt and selenium.... Moral support: it is worth doing and doing well.   [End]
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Oh, sweetie, not controversial to ME, I just look on in amusement at all the crap swirling around the truth. Rock on, oh Trapper-O’-KC, Over the hills and far away http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gXuStZdtxY   [End]
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Grz, hope this isn’t offensive, but being from Texas, I prefer my chaps a**-less.   [End]
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If the party is for the over-45 set, then I say a banana motif, with cocktails of that Iodine scotch for our drinks, everyone dress in purple, and for the entertainment..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8B3pf3mOh0   [End]
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But I have always found you more attractive and controversial than Rygar...   [End]
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I had a breast reduction. When I first went to the plastic surgeon he was wondering why I wanted one, until I took my bra off and they went ”plop”. I am a dense breasted woman, he said, and I was a candidate for a minor reduction. So they do exist, and those dense boobs out there are MINE!!!!!!!!!   [End]
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Yes, I will keep you ”a-BREAST” of my progress! tee hee. We could do a song to the tune of ”Be Happy”: ’Don’t worry, boobs happy’ Here’s a little song we wrote I’d like to sing it note for note don’t worry, boobs happy. Cause when you’re deficient your boobs fall down and that will bring everybody down don’t worry, boobs happy oooh hooo hoo hoo u-hoo u-hoo u-hoohooohoooo, uhooohoooooouhooooo Etc. I never said i was a song writer, just a profound thinker :)   [End]
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I’m with High, keep on keeping on. I live near Conroe, and you are sweating BECAUSE IT IS SO DAMNED HUMID!!!!!! :) We’re neighbors. Bad storms here right now. Lemon sized hail in The Woodlands. Don’t be afraid. I have been supplementing since this forum started and was on the other forum before this one was born, I feel better than I have since I was young, it takes time, and detox, and effort and attention to detail. Don’t get derailed five minutes before the miracle, research,research, research, and ask all the questions you think you need to. I say lots of water, no soda, ...
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Prefer party in the woods with no walkers. Maybe some Led Zepplin. You little flirters, you. Carry on, you are so cute when you make eyes at each other.   [End]
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Yay!! Reduction!! As one of the ”big boobed wonders of the universe” and having had a reduction, any shrinkage is great! But really folks, I have gone down a bit myself, the remarkable thing being that I am going on a month of pain free breasts. yes, PAIN FREE BREASTS!! I can be hugged hard!! I can enjoy that part of foreplay!! I can take off my bra without flinching!! They are beautiful and full and soft!! I am actually running on the treadmill now at the gym. I am so amazed that I am pain free that I am sad that more people do not know. We should all have unlimited access to thi ...
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I agree with you - it seems to me that someone who is asking if they can continue the ”bad” habit and then just use this stuff to ”fix it” is not interested in making significant changes. They are just looking for a way to do the destructive stuff without consequence. My experience has taught me that there is still consequence, no matter how I ever tried to avoid it. And yes, I certainly preach the word on the dangers of aspartame. I have not had a soda, diet or otherwise, in about 5 years. I have watched my diet soda addicted friends with their headaches, ugly skin, and inability to ...
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Ok guys, this is really bugging me, and I just need to ask. I have gallbladder troubles, self-diagnosed, comes and goes. I am using a liver tonic which has milk thistle and dandelion. I use supplemental iodine, and I take a multi, fish oil, Vit c, b-complex and sam-e daily. I used to have terrible awful digestion - constipation and diarreha, stools that resembled what I had for dinner, bad stomach cramps, etc. Did a bowel cleanse late last year, parasite cleanse (2), and a liver cleanse. Now I no longer have such severe digestive issues, but --- I have green stools. Almost all the tim ...
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I have noticed that you refer frequently to using niacin - I tried it based on some posts regarding detox, and at 100 mg experienced extreme flushing - I mean, extreme. 50 mgs does not seem to do enough - I understood that you got built up to where you didn’t flush so badly, but after a week, nothing changed, and I just stopped doing it. On one hand, I can really believe the benefits of dilating those capillaries, and I felt great after the flush, but during the flush my heart beat so hard it scared me, and I would get relatively light headed, and I didn’t like that feeling. Like severe a ...
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could be allergies, I never thought of that. AND - I am going to work in a canoe, with more rain to come today!! I can’t believe it - I think this is gods’ way of telling al gore that global warming is bunk haha - (just a joke to those of you who may take offense) - so should I just dose as normal a while longer? or back off some or all for a few days??   [End]
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Seems that before the ”crash of 2007” that there was a list of signs of iodine sufficiency - I can’t find it, and was wondering if any of you sages know...I cannot afford a loading test, and am kind of having to wing it. I have noticed the last few days that the frontal headache stays all day long, no matter what I do, I have adult acne again, and yesterday I was sooo irritable and crabby as to be almost impossible to live with. I feel better this morning, but am hesitant to do my drops. Now, I have gone from 5 drops twice a day, to 5 drops just in the morning. Something is telling me ...
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No one at the salon asks me if I want fast food anymore when they are doing the lunch run. I am officially known as ”the health nut” and there is an intense curiosity about what I bring for lunch. My clients say my secondary profession should be a health food store, and they will bring their questions in every month for me. I have learned to write down websites and refer, attempting to create a proactive person, rather than pretend I am any kind of practitioner. They were really freaking out when I did a parasite cleanse :) The best is yet to come, learntobe.....   [End]
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yeah, my feelings got tender a minute there - I have been with the forum since BEFORE we were an iodine forum! I just fly a bit below the radar. You’re great, do you know that?? I appreciate all the hard work you put into this to get us so much information.   [End]
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After about 2 1/2 months, I noticed that suddenly my breasts didn’t hurt anymore. It is such a free feeling. I am actually jogging on the treadmill at the gym now. I feel so much better for taking iodine, and I agree with you that it has been stolen from the public. My poor dear sister has breast cancer, and I wonder how much Iodine would have helped or would help today, but I cannot break her of the belief that what I am doing is not good. For about 2 weeks now I keep mashing my boobs expecting them to hurt, and they just plain don’t. It has been years and years since I got any more ...
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this was emailed to me this morning from the natural solutions foundation. please help out as there is a lot at stake for those of us on the zone. please post into your favorite alternative medicine forum as well - help us help ourselves site down again: here’s the fix i am in transit to the codex committee on food labeling and natural solutions foundation’s site is down again! it is still urgently important that you submit your comments to the fda cam (complimentary and alternative modalities [or medicine, as the fda would have it]and share the opportunity to do so. commen ...
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I live in Texas and believe me, meth is very very cheap and very prolific here. Deep down you know what he is doing in Texas - let me tell you out loud what he is doing - he is a drug addict. He is buying and smoking or shooting or snorting meth. He is engaged in an activity that is ONLY destructive and illegal, too. If you are pulled over and are with him and he is in possession, there is a certainty that you will go to jail too. A drug conviction will not allow you to get welfare benefits, many jobs, or rent some apartments. Your life will forever be changed. A drug addict will allow yo ...
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Trust me on this one (let me emphasize) GET OUT, GET AWAY, STAY AWAY, DON’T BEG, TRY TO PLEAD, TRY TO GET HIM TO LISTEN, SEE THE LIGHT, GET HELP - JUST GO. p 0 r n IS AN ADDICTION, DRUGS ARE ABSOLUTELY A FACTOR HERE, AND IF YOU QUIT LIVING IN DENIAL YOU KNOW THAT HE IS USING - THERE IS NO WINNING FROM METH, AND OBSESSION WITH p 0 r n IS A SPIRITUAL SICKNESS, YOU ARE INVOLVED WITH A SICK AND DIRTY MAN, AND EVENTUALLY HE WILL BRING YOU HOME SOMETHING THAT WATER CANNOT WASH OFF. My sister, who has a masters degree, by the way, got with a guy who started using meth. Same thing - obsessed w ...
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Tell him that you have realized that the only thing you might get from this guy is an orgasm, and that you can do that yourself, and even take yourself to dinner in public after you do it!!! All you will get from him is laid. You will not take the place of or have more value than his wife. If you think you will, remember that, regardless of what is going on in the marriage today, at some point he looked deeply into her eyes and took her as his wife, and now he is disregarding her dignity by coming on to you. He will devalue your relationship and do the same to you - entertain that as fa ...
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For exactly the reasons above, I have added a liver health tincture to my routine - 30 drops 3-4 times/day to help keep it clean. No frontal headache since beginning 2 days ago, but still a little gallbladder pain - comes and goes all the time. Also, I use b-complex, Sam-e, fish oil along with the C and selenium   [End]
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He is still alive. I tried everywhichway to have a relationship with him, but a relationship with him didn’t have good relating in it. I quit trying and talking to him in October last year. Long story, but I had a revelation that I could not resolve to have no more abuse in my life, yet keep him in my life. That made the resolution invalid. Yes, dad has an illness. He has cbronic and debilitating narcissism. And unfortunately, since it goes untreated, he is slowly dying from it. He has lots of money, but his daughters and grandchildren won’t go near him, his friends are leaving one by ...
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You and I share a common sort of background - and I agree with you. It is indeed difficult to feel sympathy for Alec when we have experienced being on the receiving end of an Alec. It is understandable that adults lose their cool, this is true, but I do believe that when it comes to the way that we speak to young people, then to talk like that is a high form of abuse. I don’t give a shit if you are mad at your ex-wife, or if she is a psycho, there is NO excuse. He did it, he should not justify, just make her an amend. I don’t care what the wife did or does, the daughter cannot afford th ...
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I am sooo glad you posted back and sound so much better today. I can relate to having to have that breakdown - of course, that stuff has got to get out! I know that the reason I gravitated to all that stuff was because I was raised by an emotionally ill, abusive dad. He kidnapped us from mom, and she didn’t get to raise us, and I was trained from the cradle to accept abuse. I look back today, at 44 and realize that there always was some part of me rebelling, and saying ”hey something is wrong with this picture”, and that actually was why I was so badly abused. Dad couldn’t stand me ”b ...
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Trysten - Back in the day, stuff like that would happen to me, and I felt the same way that you did. It was as if I had taken a positive step, and so here came ”Satan” and EVERYTHING would go wrong. And in a sense, it is ”Satan” - I think (and remember this is only what I think) that when we start to do something different with our thinking, that our old crap jumps up and says ”are you SURE you want to let go of this old way of being? It is so familiar in its misery - how can you get rid of it?” And every obstacle pops up to try to send us back to where we were. Thoughts are energy, ...
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the 150 mcg is the stupid RDA. It is also the dose found in vitamins and such. Lugols is 6.25 mg. BIG difference   [End]
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whoa! hang on! I flush HORRIBLY on 100 mg, don’t you think someone should start with that first? Sometimes I get lightheaded - love the rush of the flush, but HATE the lightheaded heartpounding feeling I get sometimes   [End]
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Oh yeah dear, he hit you - just not with his fist. I still hate the part of the thread where you described the screaming in the face. I think he would’ve eventually hit you. Molly is smart, too, and I agree with her - there is NO WAY someone will ”get it right” with him - if they do, it is VERY temporary. you did make a comment ”even for sex” about not wanting to get with a man right now. That is very wise. Abusive relationships often start with ”scratching that itch” with someone, and then getting attached. I think that sex is such a god-given thing that when you attach your body t ...
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Oh I love it!!! I will fill up and become ”Juicy Mary” and everyone will wonder why I call myself that!! Juicy Mary. I like that . Kinda nasty, kinda nice   [End]
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I am glad you brought that up - I noticed the same thing, as well as a slight increase in my libido. I quit using progesterone creme, too, but did add in DHEA formula for women, which has also added into the libido and balance factor - my health person recommended it to help with the adrenals. I told her I was using Iodine, but it didn’t change her mind about telling me to us the DHEA. I did notice more secretion, and it is clean, and wonderful, especially as I am 44 and menopausal due to hysterectomy and a discontinuation of the synthetic hormone I was taking several years ago. ALSO, ...
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funny thing - i posted down below about a food binge I went on when I abruptly quit Lugols right in the middle of a detox from an increase in dosage - I tell you what, after that binge, my bowels are just shot - it reminds me of my Bowel Cleanse days when all this black yuck was coming out - forgive the graphics, but it was what I said - very foul smelling and dark, lots of gas - I had binged on and literally CRAVED processed food- hamburger helper, candy, potato chips - like a starving woman, and I just couldn’t really stop. The detox from that has not been pleasant - I am now breaking ...
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As I recall, Trapper and I both got our Lugols in great big bottles from MedEx Supply, right before they mysteriously and permanently put Lugols on ”backorder”. I checked the site, they carry Povidine, but no more Lugols. Too bad, too, they had it cheap cheap...Perhaps that is what Trapper is referring to. The company that I used to buy progesterone creme no longer sell it - they said that their manufacturer has been getting the squeeze from the FDA regarding the ”medicine” issue, they said that there will be other sites that will sell it, but they are chosing to comply rather than fac ...
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You may want to re-post this higher up, as sometimes stuff gets lost in all the hub-bub and you get overlooked - I noticed that posts that are about 24 hours old without an answer rarely get one later Try again!!! I dont’ know the answers to your questions. Sorry   [End]
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Yeah just watch out for the time that he ”circles back around” - please don’t overestimate your strength - grief takes time, give yourself some time - try to picture his REAL future if he continues as he is - stand very tall and elegantly every where you go, if you know what I mean - I guess what I am saying is - Remember your Dignity. Do not allow your beautiful Spirit to sink by groveling to this man, EVER again. To strip your dignity by lowering your head in shame as this ass heaps torrents of foul abuse on you is a sin to the Higher Self. Sounds all holy-roller, but it is not. It is t ...
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I had no idea it was on - I just love the part where Celie is leaving, and he goes to strike her, and she forks the evil eye at him and stops him cold, and she says, ”until you do right by me, everything you touch will crumble. Everything you done to me has already been done to you”, and he proceeds to become miserable and reaps his karma, until he does right by her. Unfortunately, most jerks never get it, and start to do right. You will come out of this better than ever if you choose, and he will slowly sink into the quagmire of his own making - you will feel marvelous if you just sta ...
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Hey honey, I am so happy that you left that ass. Have you ever considered that it is a normal instinctual thing to want to avoid pain, and that has something to do with feeling those warm and oh-so-fuzzy feelings after they ”go”, or being sp hurt because they don’t ”want you” anymore? Ego is so powerful that we grieve because some dick doesn’t think we are worth having. I remember Allen telling me I wasn’t worth having - I wish you could see him 15 years later - he has reaped what he sowed, and is just trash. Hey, you should watch ”The Color Purple” and watch how Celie climbs out of he ...
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did you work your way up to the 100 mg, or just jump in? I can’t seem to get above 50 without detox-ing and feeling lousy. Great work by the way.   [End]
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last week I upped my iodine from 4 drops 2 X/day to 6 - 8 drops 2 X/day. Got that crappy headache, fatigued, puffy feeling with little pimples here and there of course. Did some sea salt, felt a little better,actually not much better come to think of it, but decided to back off iodine for a few days. Well, 1st day, no iodine at all - 2nd day, 2 drops in a.m., felt better, all detox symptoms finally gone - 3rd day 4 drops in a.m.. I usually eat a good amount of fruit, vegetables and protein. My vice is alcohol, I do love wine and whisky and microbrew beer (and beer is only very occasiona ...
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are you using vitamin C at a high level? It will cause diarrhea if you take more than your body wants.   [End]
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Very LOOOONNNGGG Q-Tips - think ”GYN”...at the medical supply, maybe??   [End]
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I think they do both. Particularly if there is a family tie. They will go away once they find a distraction that fills their need - some truly naive sucker - but they will pop up here and there forever, just in case you ”change your mind and come to your senses”. But it never hurt to pray that they do :)   [End]
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don’t forget our dear Vulcanel, who I think has gotten very quiet now that he is saturated, my friend who is a secret Texan - and always remembers the Alamo with me...miss you Vulcanel. No Iodine-Scotch, but I will toast you with my Mendocino County Chardonnay here in beautiful semi-rural Montgomery (Texas not Alabama).... I believe that Iodine is saving my life.   [End]
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Hi Lakelight-- I remember your posts and have wondered how you have been or what you had decided to do. I certainly can understand how frustrated you are. My input might be biased, but only because I have gone through so much with my father over the years, that I am all about my own survival today, so I feel a bit protective of you, so forgive me if I seem ”against” your mom. It sounds to me that your mother is quite an emotionally and spiritually ill person. Her vileness toward you, her pronouncements of you, her ASSAULT of you is intolerable by people who didn’t grow up in it. I t ...
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I waited 44 years for dad to ”get it”. If he went ”aha”, then he would crumble to the ground, I swear. For without all that ”stuff”, they are hollow. They are held together by lies and manipulation and the self serving nature of their disorder will not allow them to see the harm they inflict on others. For they really are not aware that there is anyone outside of ”them”. Their ”feelings” only relate to how THEY feel. There is no one else. My mother, sister and I have a saying that we frequently refer to when we talk about something that dad ”did”. It is ”remember, you don’t exist”. T ...
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Thank you for that info. I think that I will leave it as it is right now, and see what happens. So far, my libido is not lower, it is fine, including a dramatic increase in ”body fluids”, since beginning iodine. I have felt like my hormones ride a roller coaster, ever since discontinuing the fake stuff, so maybe I will get a chance to ”level out”. I am open to any input that will help. Being only 44, I am not ready to surrender to old age yet. :)   [End]
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Hey I have been away, and am just now getting back --- YES, I did finally quit retaining water after I got Lugols and quit using Sea-adine, I also added in the vitamin C, selenium and sea salt which really helped. Strappy sandals rock!!!   [End]
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I was wondering if you felt that discontinuing the progesterone creme has been beneficial to you. I only have one ovary, and started using it after discontinuing synthetic hormone Estratest HS (bad stuff). Anyway, I still experience very very sore breasts about 25 days a month. I discontinued the progesterone hoping that the iodine would take care of the sore breasts. For a few days I was pain free, but now the breast pain has returned with a vengence. I never really got relief with the creme, and now that I am without it I find things to be about the same, Why did you discontinue th ...
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I have used niacin and iodine together, with no adverse effects, as a matter of fact, try googling those two words together and see what you come up with. If I were you, I would start with one Iodoral, and not slam the system... Even with juice fast, I strongly recommend that you take plenty of vitamin C daily, along with 200 mcg selenium, and sea salt and some magnesium, too - all to keep the toxins moving out of the system - this is very important and makes the difference between feeling good and feeling like poo-poo.   [End]
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heehee Trapper, you’re very correct... As I recall, SOMEONE - Wombat or Unyquity? went off their progesterone way back at the beginning of this forum - so I am still enquiring... I was using a natural Progesterone creme, not synthetics. Man, I HATED synthetic hormones, and fought with my GYN to get off, wound up taking a year to wean myself off, nasty, nasty stuff. If the forum gets a big load of messages today I will repost so this doesn’t get buried, it’s important for me to find out....   [End]
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I cannot remember who posted that they had stopped using progesterone with the advent of their Iodine supplementation. If you know, will you please post the link and let me know how that is going for you?? Being the uninsured, I have to try alternatives. I started using Progesterone after experiencing hot flashes and no libido after discontinuing my synethetic hormone. It helps some, but I have often felt that it causes fluctuations in my hormones or something. I only have one ovary after a hysterectomy. But I will get FBD swelling and soreness a good 25 out of 30 days, even with pr ...
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