I can barely muster up the courage for water only fasting. Have you done this before? It may cause way to much detox in such a short time. Well, I think it would for me anyway.   [End]
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Starting a 2 week water only fast- wish me luck!   [End]
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I will be starting a water only fast today. I would like to go an extended time but planning on at least a week. Good luck. Rob   [End]
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For the first 10 days, you can lose more than a pound a day depending on how overweight you are and how much water you drink. I have lost almost 2 pounds per day for shorter fasts. After 10 days, it drops to about 1/2 pound. Part of the initial weight loss surge is emptying of the digestive tract however so it really isn’t long term loss as soon as you start eating again. I would say that 1 pound per day can be long term loss if you behave after breaking the fast. So if you were to lose 15 pounds in 9 days, you could keep off about 10 pounds if you eat wisely after.   [End]
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Although I agree that diet drinks will have minimal effect on ketosis, one of the goals of fasting is to cleanse. And those drinks definately have chemicals that you want to avoid during a fast imo.   [End]
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It sounds like your just starting to get good results. Why not consider sticking it out a few days longer until the symptoms lessen? Obviously, your body is getting rid of some nasty stuff right now.   [End]
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Are you female? Could you be retaining this time during the month? Sometimes your body attempts to ”hold on” to something. Don’t worry, once it starts working, you’ll notice a quick reaction and potentially strong detox symptoms. Have you had any strong bowel movements in the first few days? If not, your digestive system may be stopped up. It may also be a sign of severe dehydration. If you were dehydrated, your body may take a few days to get used to the idea that it is getting plenty of water. At your weight, I would recommend 3 liters of water a day. How much have you been drin ...
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Soreness is probably a detox symptom and probably indicates the fast is working. If it continues, you may actually want to stick it out for a few more days until the symptoms go away. Why stop if repair is in progress? Good job.   [End]
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If you have already done some fasting and your goal is minimal muscle loss, I would highly recommend water only. Water only will maintain the strongest state of ketosis and ketosis is what turns on your fat burning hormones/enzymes. Juice and even low calorie diet drinks can trick your body into a transitional state of ketosis. That transitional state is when the highest amount of muscle loss occurs. It doesn’t matter which type of fasting you do, muscle loss will occur. The difference is how much. The longer you stay in a state of ketosis, the close you will get to a 90% fat/muscle loss r ...
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I agree with your comments. It is best to get in ketosis and stay there as consistently as possible. The only way to do this is to do water only. Search my previous posts. There are studies that have shown that bouncing in and out of ketosis can accelerate muscle vs fat loss to about 50%. The longer the body is in ketosis, muscle vs fat loss drops to agree with your comments. It is best to get in ketosis and stay there as consistently as possible. The only way to do this is to do water only. Search my previous posts. There are studies that have shown that bouncing in and out of ketosis c ...
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As crazy as it sounds, yes, it’s true. I would say that it is healthier to fast on water only than eating just a little. It’s all in how the body chemistry changes. When fasting on water only, your body makes the hormones and enzymes needed to survive on stored fat. It lives on this for weeks. When you eat any food, you are tricking your body into thinking more food is coming. If you do this, your fat burning chemistry is not optimized and 1/2 your weight loss is likely to be muscle. It is better to eat nothing than tease your system.   [End]
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Yes it is frustrating but let me leave you with one last thought and plug on committing to a fast. Consider the following 2 scenarios over a 1 month period: Scenario 1 - 4 weeks of eating and intense training Scenario 2 - 1 week of water only fasting and NO training - 3 weeks of eating and intense training I am 100% sure from personal experience and for reasons that would take way to long to explain, that scenario 2 would yield better results. And you would achieve much better detoxing in scenario 2 than if you try to eat anything while training.   [End]
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I completely understand your thoughts on the juice fuel for training but hear me out... When fasting, your body chemistry is completely different. On a fast, anything that is counterproductive to the state of your ketosis will cause your body to use more muscle for energy- even if there are glucose calories available. If you feel like you need some source of energy, I would agree that a very low glycemic source is the way to go- protein or fat. I have done a training cycle and weight loss regime where all I consumed was protein shakes and it worked very well even if my energy was les ...
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This is slightly OT but having been a powerlifter and wrestler a LONG time ago :-) I got the best results when I forced myself to take 1 week off per quarter. For 7-10 days, I would do absolutely no strength training to allow my body to repair itself. After the break, my muscle strength progress would resume better than if I had not done the break at all. Maybe you could do a water fast in conjuction with such a training break. With such a glycogen deficit, when you resume eating and training, your muscle would soak up nutrients like a spounge.   [End]
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Well, I honestly don’t think you will have enough enegy while fasting to do high intesity exercise. And I think if you do anaerobic exercise such as strength training, you will accelerate muscle loss. You will lose muscle no matter how you fast. I am just sharing how you can minimize that from happening. If you do water fasting and do low intesity exercise, you will lose the most fat and the least muscle. Typically, when I fast, I try and do about 4 30 walks a day. Otherwise, I try to rest. I don’t think that’s what you wanted to hear, but that’s what I have seen from my experi ...
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Take a look at the chart on this web site. You will see that the longer you fast without the introduction of glucose, the larger % of fat is burned vs muscle: http://naturalhygienesociety.org/articles/fasting1.html Hope this helps. Also, this page has a lot of good info on how the body transitions into ketosis and the fuel the body uses. Take care, Rob   [End]
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You will lose a lot less muscle just doing a water fast. It sounds counter intuitive, but the juice is going to tease your body in and out of ketosis. And this ketosis transition state is where the body loses the most muscle mass. Let yourself go into ketosis and just stay there. Your body will produce more muscle sparring hormones if stably in ketosis. There are studies that have shown that weight loss is about 90% fat when firmly in ketosis and about 50% when transitioning in and out of ketosis. If you allow your blood glucose levels go up and down with juice, your muscle sparring hormon ...
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This is gonna sound like tough love but I can’t disagree more about eating anything or drinking juice when fasting. I know there are avid juice fasting fans but I am just conveying my first hand experience and research that I have done. One of the biggest goals of drinking water only is too all but completely shut down the digestive system and get in and STAY in ketosis. When the digestive system is resting, it can repair itself and all the energy you are saving goes into the healing process. Imho carbs are the enemy of the faster. They bump you out of ketosis and encourage the produ ...
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Me too. Down 5 pounds so far. Lots of mild headaches and foggy head as usual. Cleaning up my apartment today. Trying to create a more peaceful, decluttered surroundings. I heard that helps. Good luck!   [End]
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I was thinking about starting tomorrow as well.   [End]
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I’m not a doctor but was a power lifter for years. Aren’t they corticol steroids? ie not anabolic steroids. Maybe after a while, you will feel less and less need. Until then, stay safe!   [End]
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I’m not sure you would actually want to accelerate the detox process. I have only done a few fasts- only for 2-4 days at a times and I wish I could SLOW down the detox as it happens so fast. This has kept me from doing a longer fast so far. My hope is that after several shorter fasts, I am ready for a longer bout now. Today is day one yet again for me and I am hoping that the first few days are not so overwhelming that I can keep going. Wish me luck. One of these times, I am going to be one of the fasting superstars!   [End]
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I think the yellow orange bm is probably candida coming out. Make sure you clean thoroughly when that happens :-)   [End]
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I am planning on doing a longer fast starting tomorrow or Saturday. As far as exercise is concerned, I am hoping to walk back and forth to work. It’s about 1 1/2 miles away and for me that means 30 minutes twice a day. I am also hoping I can do a few crunches for the gut each night. Other than that, I will be happy to just not eat successfully ;-)   [End]
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I think I may disagree with this theory. When you’re fasting, your body’s production of digestive enzymes, bile and stomach acid goes into hibernation. Enzymes are produced for repair not digestion. Because of this, it seems it would be easy to overwork the intestinal system with food after a fast because it simply is not used to processing it. If anything, I would say it would be best to eat ONLY food with lots of natural enzymes to help out until your digestive system gets back up to full speed again. You may actually want to do the opposite and supplement enzymes. Hopeful ...
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Does anyone think that iodine may help with the cold issue since it supports the thyroid and body temperature?   [End]
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I had to break my fast for a week for a military reserve fitness test. Going to try again with day 1 tomorrow. Good luck to all!   [End]
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Hey there I have to start over :-( I had to do a fitness test for the military reserves so I needed to eat for a week beforehand. Tomorrow is day 1 again doh!   [End]
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This is probably a picky point but I think the initial reactions are actually carbohydrate withdrawal symptoms. It takes about 48-72 hours to deprive your body of stores of glycogen. Once that occurs, the body transitions into ketosis and burns fat for energy. I drank at least a gallon of water a day and still had those symptoms.   [End]
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I am not an expert but it seems to me that it is probably the magnesium in epsom salts is what causes those muscles to relax and expand. So if this drink has magnesium, I would imagine it would be the same. I am kind of skeptical on this part of the flush. If you drink the oil and the whole organ is contracting forcefully, I find it hard to believe that anything in that area would be ”relaxed”. I may be wrong though. To me, the epsom salts seem like they would grease the skids so to speak in the digestive tract so all that gunk flow out faster. Maybe others have more to add.   [End]
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I am doing a prolonged water fast and would like to do some liver cleansing so that too many toxins don’t build up during the fast. My concern is that after 10-20 days of fasting, I will just puke a heavy oil cocktail onto my carpet. I was wondering if anyone thought it may work if I had an egg/oil/citrus drink in the mornings of the fast and didn’t eat the rest of the day. Or would the lack of food not push the stuff out of the digestive track? Am I better off waiting until the fast is over?   [End]
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I found magnesium citrate in my local grocery store yesterday. It was a liquid in a bottle similar to a soda and was lemon flavor. I think it cost about 2 bucks. I have never tried it before but a friend of mine with constipation went to the local doctor and he gave him this stuff. My friend said he couldn’t get away from the bathroom the next morning and went about 5 times ;-)   [End]
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Wow a 1” stone? So do you think that size will ever come out during a flush? Are you basically flushing hoping one day you give birth to that thang? I assume from your post that you did an ultrasound or xray, took some supplements and then did a follow up with no change? If so, what sort of supplements did you try? Do you feel like the smaller stones are coming out and the big one is just stuck? Thanks a bunch.   [End]
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Thanks for keeping me honest. I still seem to be in the initial phase and things have not ”steadied out” for me yet. I had to put on my belt today cause my pants kept falling down ;-) In general, I am in very good health. I don’t drink and never did drugs etc but I have eaten the standard American diet my whole life so I imagine I have quite a bit of cleansing to do. I am thinking that my liver could probably use some cleaning as well. I have been reading the liver cleanse board but am wondering what would happen if one did a flush during a fast. Would I just hurl the concoction u ...
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I have seen posts that mention that apple juice has malic acid that softens the stones before being expelled. This ”softening” is probably the outer surface disolving to some extent. My question is this... Is there any reason why taking a malic acid supplement (such as Mg malate) for a prolonged time would not just end up disolving the stones alltogether? And potentially eliminating the need to do a flush. And if such a supplement is capable of disolving existing stones, would it not prevent new stones from forming? I am looking at Mg malate also because I hear many are quite d ...
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Wow, this is harder than I thought. Still feeling ”off”, lightheaded, crabby, hungry :-( Trying to stay positive though. I have noticed that I am becoming much more aware of all the triggers for eating. Things like TV commercials, stress, boredom etc. Not sure whether it’s best to try and avoid those conditions or grit through them- any thoughts? Good luck!   [End]
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I read that coconut oil is good for cooking because it is less likely to convert to transfats under heat. So I have been trying to cook with it lately. Works pretty good for stir fry but I have to be careful not to use to much as it can overwhelm the taste. Nothing that garlic and pepper can’t fix!   [End]
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That was brutal ;-( Hunger, doubts, crankiness, headaches, etc. Also had a hard time sleeping last night. All this is probably normal but I hope it gets a little easier! Day one done nonetheless- someone please tell me this is worth it. Hope day one was less dramatic for you.   [End]
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I started today. Water only with whole food organic multi vitamin and an omega3 supplement. Trying to stay busy today- done the dishes, doing laundry, cleaning clutter. Pretty soon I will be able to stay entertained with 5 hours of footbal- thank God for the NFL! After that, I’m thinking about a long walk and an early night to bed. My thought is to stay busy and keep my thoughts on other things, go to bed and next thing you know, it’s tomorrow- 1 day down!   [End]
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I started today actually. I’ve got my water, whole food organic vitamins and omega3 supplements ready to go. No food in the frig! I’m kinda scared thinking about hunger, dealing with emotions etc but I’m gonna give it a go. I am hoping the thought of just how much I can achieve in 6 six weeks will keep my spirits alive. A ton of bloat, excess fat, toxins and potentially psychological baggage could be gone in only 40 days. It’s really amazing how much can be achieved in that short a time. I think the key is focusing on the little victories- Get some cravings for a meal, and make ...
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I have not tried UT but I read a few posts that it killed candida very effectively, as well as many other infections. Again, I do not have 1st hand experience, but before 10 people reply saying urine is waste/toxic etc... Urine is a sterile fluid. Waste is processed out through the liver, bile, digestive tract. Ambeonic fluid is mostly urine so babies bath in it for the first 9 months of their lives. Good luck and keep fighting. Here’s a couple posts I found: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=769436#i http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=769441#i   [End]
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I have not personally tried UT but I think ambeonic fluid is primarily urine. If so, babies bath in, drink and breath the stuff for 9 months. It can’t be that bad ;-)   [End]
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Wow, I started a controversy :-) If so many toothpaste have glycerin there must be a reason. I did a search for different ”natural” brands online and see that many of them also have it. Could there be a benaficial reason for having this ingredient? Someone mentioned that it ”sticks” to the teeth. Could that actually provide a protective coating? Kind of like waxing your car? I don’t know.   [End]
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I just tried brushing with soap some have recommended here. Holy crap, that was disgusting :-( For hours I could not get that soapy taste out of my mouth. I rinsed about 10 times and even used organic soap made from olive and coconut oil with no perfumes etc. I don’t know how you guys do it. Yuck!   [End]
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I think I have gotten myself mentally prepared for what I want to be a 42 day fast. Wish me well!   [End]
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I am doing a water fast for detox and on the surface it seems logical to do some OP to help rid some of the non water soluble toxins. But I am concerned about hunger sabotaging my fasting success. Let me explain... There is a theory that hunger comes from the digestive fluids and enzymes in the upper intestinal tract when the stomach is empty. I also have read that the organs start dumping these fluids when food is detected in the mouth receptors. When OP, even if you do not swollowing the substance, would your body start putting enzymes and digestive fluids in the stomach? If so, I ...
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Why have you posted 4 huge and nearly identical messages in only a couple days?   [End]
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I think it just depends on the form of mag. I can take 1,000 mg mag in the form of mag taurate without any noticeable bowel issues. Consider this, epson salt is a mag molecule and a laxative but that is THAT particular form of mag.   [End]
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It seems that some would disagree, but am I planning on a longer fast which includes a supplement. I think most people are deficient in at least some nutrients even if they eat ”healthy”. To me, it seems logical to rebalance those deficiencies while also cleansing out toxins. A few caveats though... 1. Take an organic whole food based multi for better utilisation. 2. To keep the liver from getting overwhelmed with tasks (heavy toxin removal and nutrient processing) I would only take one capsule per day. 3. Plan on doing a post fast liver flush.   [End]
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Jason’s powersmile toothpaste: Features: * *Certified organic ingredients (see ingredient list) * #Natural flavor (see ingredient list) * Exclusive natural whiteners * Bacteria-blaster promotes healthy gums * Long lasting breath freshener * No fluoride * No saccharin * No preservatives * No artificial colors or flavors * No animal by-products * No animal testing * no lauryl sulfates * No propylene glycol   [End]
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If you do a flush at night and plan on doing a colon hydrotherapy session the next day, does anyone have a recommendation on about what time during the day would be good? In other words, how long would it take to get the gunk low enough in the digestive tract to effectively get it rinsed out? Assume that my bowels are pretty clear and I may fast before the flush (ie not much blocking the gunk). Thanks   [End]
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Here’s a university article with some good detailed discussion of how much an animals diet effects the end products nutritional profile for humans: http://www.csuchico.edu/agr/grassfedbeef/health-benefits/index.html Don’t get me wrong with these posts. I do not think the typical low carb diets are healthy. A typical Adkins style diet contains tons of saturated fats, processed foods and what I would consider inadequate veggies. Typical American store bought meat is not that great but that doesn’t make all meat bad (unless you have a philisophical problem with it). How the anim ...
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I am planning on fasting primarily as a cleansing mechanism. If you do a long fast, the caloric deficit alone will cause a significant amount of weight loss. Yes, much of that will be water weight but a significant amount will be fat, toxins, old fecal matter etc. If you don’t have a plan for a change in dietary habits, of course the weight will come back! I see the fast as kind of a transformation. A goodbye to fat, toxins, etc and a hello to a new way of life. If you have a sound plan for eating and reduction of toxin intake after the fast, and a person sticks to the plan, I think ...
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The best results I have ever gotten from a diet are when I ate a ”paleo” diet. This thread may seem a little off topic but imo it’s not. Liver health has a lot to do with dietary habits of course. Basically the paleo diet I follow is as follows: Free range meat, non starch veggies, nuts, berries and a limited amount of fruit. All items are organic and if possible (except meat) raw. The reason fruits are limited are because they were probably very seasonal in most parts of the world. The tie in with the blood type diet imo is the fact that different bloodlines of course ha ...
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I know there are a lot of veggie people here but I do believe that our bodies are designed to eat things like raw eggs. It just makes sense from a hunter/gatherer philosophy of our ancestors. Coming across a nest of eggs (or berries, nuts etc) would be an easy and perfect food for early man.   [End]
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I just ordered the Kenmore Water Purifier. On the Sears web site, it was $99 (reg price $140). It said the price was good until 1/11/2007. Take care.   [End]
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Wow you’re skinny. I’m 5’8” 235lbs ;-) I did 3 days and lost 6 lbs so I bet in 5 days you could lose 8-10lbs.   [End]
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Congratulations and good for you! Wow 28 lbs in 18 days is impressive. I do have a question for you.. I did a 3 day fast and had a lot of headaches and got real light headed at times periodically. I was wondering if you found these were ”transitional” symptoms. In other words, do you think that it takes a few days to get through the initial detox speedbump- and then the symptoms mellow out and it is less difficult to procede for a longer period? Thanks in advance and keep rockin!   [End]
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Arg, day 2 here. Going okay but got head aches- hope they go away soon!   [End]
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I am thinking about doing a fast too for Jan 1st. I feel like a trash can and got fat over the holidays. All that food combined with some cracked ribs (ie no exercise) for a month did me in :-( My discipline really stinks and I dread the idea of constant hunger. Please, please post progress and positive messages so I don’t feel like I am suffering alone. Thanks in advance and good luck.   [End]
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I had acid reflux for years that would wake me up in the night multiple times a week. After every meal I felt bloated and had a burning sensation in my upper abs that lasted hours. I also never felt ”empty” in my gut. I went on a low carb diet for 3 months and after the very first week, never had those symptoms again. I have no idea why it worked but I can say that the diet WAS the cure for me. Some are concerned about low carb diets but I tried to keep it healthier- free range meat, no dairy, all organic. If my acid ever comes back, I know this will work again for me. Take care.
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Even if one eats a really healthy diet, a person could argue there is still a need for taking a quality organic or food based supplement. From what I have read, even the best products are only about 10% utilized by the body which means the remainder is eliminated via sweating, digestive systems or the urine. Let’s say, for sake of argument, that 50% is lost through urination. If someone is supplementing and doing UT, does that mean that the urine grows to the point of nutrient supersaturation? How does that affect the taste and effectiveness? Would a person be best to take the ...
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I think this would be caused by purely mechanical friction of the stones across the tissue. Dispite what people may think, I don’t believe passing stones is a ”natural” act. If it were, you wouldn’t need to flush them out because they would come out on their own ;-). So it seems that the stones would be scraping across everything on the way out and way even cause some minor tearing. Think of it like the organ giving birth to these stones- there’s bound to be some trauma. I would give it 72 hours and see if it goes away. Take care.   [End]
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During the process of bowel movements, did you strain at all? This sounds disgusting, but after a bout with some violent diarrea, I saw a little blood in my stool. It’s kind of intimidating actually. I think the key is the color. If it looks bright red, you probably scraped something in your colon or scraped the surface of a hemoroid. For me, when that happened, it was gone the very next day it seemed. If it’s darker red, you may have aggravated an ulcer in the upper intestinal system. How did it look?   [End]
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I also have another concern regarding this subject. We usually get our vitamins and minerals from consumption. On the other hand, we manufacture our own hormones. Many studies have shown that hormonal supplementation tends to decrease the body’s own natural production over time. That’s one of the drawbacks to steroids and grow hormone injections. In other words, if one were to recycle certain hormones, would the body’s natural production of those hormones decline more rapidly than is typically experienced during normal aging? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not in the same camp as many wh ...
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I am in the research phase of this topic and noticed many posts referring to nutrients etc and particularly hormones in the urine. Has anyone seen data about the concentrations of these hormones or is there a way to measure it? As a guy, if I am releasing estrogen, for instance, I don’t know if I want it back. If the amounts are small or otherwise balanced with offsetting hormones, I guess I don’t care. But I don’t want boobs or anything ;-)   [End]
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