- 6 Months on the Beck Protocol by #30988
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- Re: fighting HIV by GranCanaria
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interesting, now that one claims he's been using a zapper religously twice a day yet the virus-loads are rising there are all kinds of arguments why this isn't enough anymore. It sounded all so promising before, those protocols etc. claiming that zapping would even eliminate infected cells or at least deactivate the virus for further reproduction.
The virus is tough indeed. It can hide in some cells not only for months but a lot of years. It's possible even longer than 10 years.
My best friend got below detection 8 years ago with a three medicine HAART therapy and since he had started early, when his immune system was still intact, his body could accept the medicine easy too. Then two years later he did Interleukin II therapy which was very very successful. Those days in Germany that kind of therapy was being paid for, nowadays due to money issues they don't want to pay it anymore.
It increased or rather boosted his cd4 counts over 1000 (from 600) which stayed until today. Also even the hidden viruses (in 1 Mio CD4 cells) were negative! Which never happens under conventional therapy even after 5 years.
All this is some years ago and we want to get rid of the little rest that might be hidden somewhere in his body. Yet it does seem, with a sota silver pulser this will be hard to reach.
Maybe its a good idea to provoke those hidden cells to divide and then along with regular HAART they will die off, too.
We have included oliveleaf-extract which supposidly inactivates hidden viruses even from HIV and Herpes, yet of course - no proof of that.
Still, I think, one should stop promising "heaven" with those zappers.
Kind regards Gilbert
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GranCanaria
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- Re: fighting HIV by #30988
18 y
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Remember Beck is a "protocol". Its a regimen of multiple attacks. So many people focus on the zapper. This only gets the virus out of the blood. It's still in the organs and all those latent places. That's where pulsing helps. After that the ozonated water will help alleviate HIV in the gut. I can say that I did not especially focus on the ozone and colloidal silver in the months leading up to the tests that you see. They are now a much bigger part of my regimen.I drink at least 2 quarts of ozonated water throughout the day (the ozonator sits on top of the 5gallon water dispenser I have.
I don't put a lot of stock in the tests. I do have to ask you though is how will you ever know if you've eradicated the virus. Will he do drugs forever out of feat. We do know that long term use of the drugs has its own debilitating effect regardless of viral load. If your friend is undetectable now and there is no detectable latent virus, what makes you think that he's not "cured". Why continue the drugs. Why not reduce the drug load and measure viral load to see if it's still there?
I personally don't think the virus itself is all that "tough". The problem is that the only way that your body has to fight the virus is with what the virus actually considers food. It would be interesting to see how long the virus would last without the human immune system. Perhaps this is why the beck protocol worked on dying subjects. When they were at the end of their rope, with no immune system in tact, the beck protocol set up a secondary immune defense system that let the person survive while the HIV finally expired. This obviously is complete conjecture but maybe an interesting theory. To bad no one is interested enough to find out.
For me, its now going on two years with the beck protocol. Nothing more than a sore throat which I knocked out immediately with the pulser. I'm not opposed to drug use but prefer not to at this time. It still remains an option. I know, I know how politically incorrect it is to say that in this forum.
Ultimately I believe the if the Rife technology and the multiwave oscillator technology had been pursued along their original lines of non-contact virus damaging harmonics that we'd all be further along. My next major purchase will be rife technology with the tube (not the contact kind that Crane popularized). I intend to turn it into a reading light!
Good night (I hope you can tell I'm having a little fun).
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- Re: fighting HIV by GranCanaria
18 y
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Thanx for explaining your thoughts and acts. One of the main problems will certainly be the location of that virus and it's not asleep at any time of day. Ozoned water will not change that.
If only electrifying would be the solution by itself one could set patients into a koma and put the entire body under that electification for a while, and everybody would be cured - a little like this heat therapy, which kills off quite a lot, yet obviously not enough. I think it would work in conjunction with HAART therapy though. Interleukin II was tested early 80s as well and failed, cause there was not HAART at hand those early days of research. Later it was a huge success when done right - as I have proof personally.
You asked for how will my friend ever find out if he's gotten rid of the virus completely, if he wouldn't stop using the usual regimen. Well, we have gone through so many ups and downs, have experienced friends dieing lots of greaving, we will not take the chance of letting loose now just to try out a not proofen alternative and then see what happens. The thought of getting poz. results again is very frightening after all those years of discipline and good health.
And imagining writing about those possible results here in the forum will propably have someone answer something like: "well, of course this could not work, didn't you take this or that? The virus is replicating throughout the day, you must use those devices around the clock and bla bla..." My friend though would have to live with this and it would all start over.
No, not at this point - its to early to stop. Some of the immunecells in the bones remain there for 10 years, after that period the complete bonesystem has been renewed. So maybe this will be a good time to stop the regular regimen.
While continuing intaking oliveleafextracts in relative high dosage and conjunction with the pulser and minizap I could imagine, he'd finally made it. Well, we'll see.
Regarding your theory of breaking down the immune system and killing the virus with it, then reestablishing the immune system with Dr.Becks protocol is not new. Basically thats what chemo-therapy does with cancer. Nice idea, especially for people who don't have higher cell counts left. Yet still, I don't like the idea of killing the body - basically thats what its almost is - and then building it up again. The virus is vicious, and its not only in cd4 cells, yet also in macrophages and who knows where else. Setting the immunesystem to zero would not destroy the long living macrophages (some live for years too). so the virus could rebounce and find a weakended body to end his job for good.
Well, time will show. Hope you'll succeed with your regimen! I know how devistating it is, getting disappointing results. My friend started 10 years ago with Hypericin, cause he couldn't use HAART at that time due to a hepatitis. This wonder drug didn't do its job but helped him over the first year, before starting the HAART therapy and the rest I have written about. Lets all hope for the best and a final vacine against this desease.
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- Re: fighting HIV by #30988
18 y
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I had another thought regarding the latency of the virus. (I love these discussions by the way). If you've read Rife material, you know that he proved (by actually witnessing living viruses under a Rife microscope - something you can't do with an electron microscope by the way)that there is a common virus in all cancer victims that when exposed to a certain set of frequencies will die and along with it the cancer. He also noted that the virus exists in different forms at different times (pleomorphism). This has been corroborated by many. Now only recently it has been "discovered" that a particular cervical cancer is caused by a virus (duh!). Discover the frequency that kills that virus (I bet it is the same frequencies that Rife applied) and you will cure not only cervical cancer but more cancers.
It is also my belief that the HIV virus is pleomorphic and this is how it "hides". (I actually think all viruses are pleomorphic). That is why even with a drug regimen you need to use electromedicine. The drugs are designed to attack and suppress the virus but if there is a pleomorphic affect, the drugs will be useless in other forms of the virus. I believe the drugs themselves are 100% effective against one form of the virus, that's how you can register an undetectable reading while taking the drugs. Also, I don't believe the Virus can "hide". I simply think that there is a pleomorphic version of the virus that is not allowed to propogate when the drugs are present. Remove the drugs and voila' you have HIV virus. In my mind, that makes more sense the viral hiding places. I also think that if this theory has any validity that you must use a whole body electro therapy regimen. In my mind, the Rife Tube is superior to the crane contact technology. Electricity travels along very specific paths (witness a lightning storm). Radiated frequencies from a vacuum tube makes a LOT more sense if you want to zap everything in the body.
Now, if only I had a Rife Microscope... But alas, the current medical establishment that is providing you all those wonderful drugs broke into Rife's lab and trashed all but six Rife microscopes. There were at least 50 in existence. The remaining six are for looking at, not looking in. Sad really. So I say yes, if your friends goal is to stay on drugs forever and to live in fear of a recurrance then the medical established got exactly what they wanted...a lifelong paying customer. They never wanted a cure. I admire your pursuit of "cure" and I think you are on the right path. Please stay in touch.
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- Re: fighting HIV by GranCanaria
18 y
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I perfectly do understand what you're talking about. Its just in order to give up or put on stake the very or rather excellent condition of my friend needs more proof than theories.
This time release theory is yet not that contradictory to what the common knowledge is. The cd4 cells and other immune-cells have each a certain period of time where they survive in order to provide a body for as long as possible with sufficient immunepower. Some for a few days, some divide after a certain desease appears, some after several years. Thats why its so important to have naturally high cd4 counts with its variety of different cells and thats not the virus itself, but those different immune-cells where he resides or hides in. That way yes, he is kind of living a pleomorophic life, if you will call it that way.
If its that way though, it's even harder to provoke him or the cells to give up disguise and be vulnerable to electric or medicine power.
I must admit, I do not understand, why there aren't some hundreds of voluntaries by now, who have done just this: taking medicine for several years, don't have hidden viruses (and there are hidden viruses in cd4-cells prooven with certain expensive tests), and then trying to find out, if its for good. No forum could provide me with this information, and this forum here neither.
Opposite is the case, where for example you are experiencing an increase of virus load. Why aren't there any proofen stats? Some of these alternative companies and groups should have done those by now, don't you think?
This cancer story was interesting by the way, and I'm convinced, too, that electric power can do something for these rather local deseases compared to hiv.
Well, we will see what the future brings.
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- Re: fighting HIV by aifam55
11 y
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| If you are going to zap. Do it to the extreme, after you work up to long sessions.. Start at 15 minutes a day. And add time each week, Eventually you want to zap overnight both wrist-to-wrist and ankle-to-ankle, at or near full power with two of the Dr. Beck designed devices. Place the electrodes over the arteries correctly. Then you are zapping the whole blood supply several times over. Forget about the one wrist technique. If you do it make sure you are zapping the entire blood supply may times over.
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- HIV in the stomach by #56078
19 y
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Dear sir/madam,
It was great to hear of your discipline with the Bob Beck Protocol. I myself have been HIV + for eight years now and have never been on any medication although this year I have started taking Valtrex for mild shingles which has seen my viral load drop from 137,000 to 23,700. I got this result today. My T cell where at 222 and went up tp 233.
With regards to your juicing I have almost ruined my system by juicing fruit in the past. For me it has diluted the levels of hydrochloric acid in my gut which then causes foods to ferment which then feeds viruses and minor bacterial infections I have had. Currently I am on an anti candida diet and my energy has picked up enormously. I have read somewhere that 1 teaspoon of sugar can supress the immune system for up to 5 hours. Xylitol is made from the bark of birch trees and does not feed yeast or fungal infections and strengthens the enamel on your teeth. It is a natural product but quite expensive.
Keep up the good work. You have my deepest respect.
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- Re: HIV in the stomach by #30988
19 y
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| Thanks for this. I agree with the juicing comments and have since started to juice more veggies and almost no fruit. The biggest improvement to my gut has been with the addition of Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar daily. I'm wondering if you've tried that? I have very few digestion issues lately and frankly my diet has not been as good as it should be (holidays and all). I use Stevia quite a bit and will consider the xylitol. I thought xylitol was a sugar alcohol and I generally stay away.
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- which zapper were or are you using? by GranCanaria
18 y
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Wow, great information about your treatment and the results. Thanks!
Now one question I go: Do you use the MiniZap which electrifies or a Clark zapper (frequencies)?
My best friend is hiv positive, yet for 8 years under regular HAART treatment below detection. Plus after doing Interleukin II therapy 4 times he didn't even have those hidden viruses in the CD4 cells in 1 Mio cells, none. He is doing fine, yet we want to do more in order to get rid of the viruses completely, dispite what anybody may say.
Due to IL II his cd4 count is above 1000 and since he was never below 600 from the start before treatment his body accepts the medicine good.
Now, we're adding oliveleafextract and from next week on - hopefully - we ad the Minizap along with a pulser.
Since your virus loads increased even after 6 months I don't think, its a good idea to use precisely this instrument - as you may understand. So please let us know, which zapper system you were using.
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GranCanaria
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- Re: which zapper were or are you using? by #30988
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I use the one that certified for the Beck Protocol, not the Hulda Clark zapper device (which by the way Sota doesn't make or sell anymore). My personal feeling that when doing the beck protocol you should focus more on the ozone and the colloidal silver. These tend to get overlooked as secondary to the protocol but HIV originates and proliferates in the gut and zappers don't reach it there (although the pulser can).
I am also taking selenium and olive leaf extract. You may also know that people have gove undetectable on an apple cider vinegar regimen. I don't drink it but it definitely in every salad (which I eat lots of).
I'm just trying to make all these therapies work with my lifestyle. I sleep with the zapper on my wrist so I don't have to think about it. I pulse every night and extra if I even get a tinge of a sore throat. Pulsing will get rid of a sore throat immediately. My partner now uses it for the same reason (he's negative).
Well, keep me up to date. It's good to hear that your drugs therapies are working. I'm inclined not to go that route. You mentioned that my viral loads went up but I remind you so did my t-cell counts. This to me is more important and an indication of moving in the right direction.
bye for now...
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- Re: which zapper were or are you using? by GranCanaria
18 y
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It's always a very very personal decision which way to go. My friend and I are living a perfect "normal" life now, except for twice a day taking a pill or two.
Guess, these pulsers and zappers will make him more a "borg" from Star Trek than before... ;-)
Problem you should consider though, if these high cell counts persist: each new virus cell needs proteine - lots of proteine. If it doesn't get enough for reproduction it will take it from your muscles - thats why aids patients look like scellotons (wrong spelling, I know) Watch closely those counts and do something about it if it doesn't drop soon. Interesting you mentioned that oliveleaf-extract. Can you let me know how much you take (mg)? Also watch your fat percentage in your body. If its higher than normal than this is a sure sign, the virus is far to active. Fat around 20 percent is still okay, though. You can check that on certain scales or the doctors.
It was certainly a good sign to increase those cd4 counts, yet changes within the 50range in half a year a more or less normal. Hope they will keep going up!
Lets keep in touch - would be great to hear good news!
By the way, the reason he started that Interleukin II therapy was a book from Malon Johnson, who got infected in a hospital at work. Published around 1995 or so, very interesting! cheers Gilbert
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- weight changes and physical monitoring by #30988
18 y
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As you can tell from this blog, I keep pretty fit. If there's one thing that's a constant in my life its my body weight. It sticks to 180 and depending on my level of lifting my fat % will float between 11-15%. I can pretty much eat what I want and I do splurg occasionally on carbs and sweets but for the most part staying in the gym gives me a healthy mindset all around.
I like the thoughts on interleukin and I will read up on it.
Regardsing olive leaf extract, I pretty much take the dosage on the bottle. The brand is Natures Way. I take 4 capsules a day (two in the morning and two at night). Each capsule is standardized to 12% oleuropein and is 250mg. and also list is just 250mg olive (leaf).
Other things in your arsenal should include coconut oil and apple cider vinegar. I use the coconut oil in popcorn and apple cider vinegar in salads. There's good research on both.
ciao
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- Re: weight changes and physical monitoring by GranCanaria
18 y
4,162 33
Wow, I like that information about your fat percentage. That's some seriously good news and information! Keep on watching that...
Here's my advise to IL II. Some studies do 2 mio/ml a day for like 4 weeks, some studies go to 5 mio/ml a day for 5 days. Others even higher.
Due to those studies the following basics: with 2 mio a day for a long time its easier to do, cause less side effects. Yet the impact on cd4 is far less significant and it seems the virus does not completely open up to the medicine, therefore die. Still, its worth some thoughts to do that once for a month or so, cause apparently with 2 mio a day more macrophages divide than usual, and the virus also hides in some long living macrophages (which is often forgotten).
My friend did the following: he used 4.5 mio/day (injection like with diabetes, real easy to do at home yourself) He got the prescription from a clinic that did trials on 2 mio/day. Luckily our farmacist was willing to change that to the desired 4.5 mio/day, cause I had read a lot of former US studies before and knwew, that with 2 mio he wouldn't succeed. Actually he did 2 mio for 10 days in the beginning, then we just stopped for 3 weeks, and started 4 cycles - each 4 weeks apart - with 4.5 mio per day. By the way, since he was not part of that trial, he, respectively his private health insurance paid for it. Very expensive, but this is really worth it!
All this resulted in spectacular over 1.200 cd4 counts, less cd8 and a great ratio plus no virus left in the cd4 cells. BUT! This only works out well, if one is below detection, as other earlier studies showed, that with active virus still in the blood you kind of enhance that virus, cause it won't die off with Interleukin II! Only along with HAART medicine and maybe too with a Zapper (am not so sure about that yet.) IL II only gets it out of the cd4 cells, the HAART medicine keeps it inactive in the blood, and after a few days of surviving the HIV-Virus diminishes by dying off and getting out of the body system. This is an extremely important fact.
I can only recommend that very very interesting and easy to read book from Mahlon Johnson. It saved his life! (Title is from 1997, something like "working on a miracle" or similar)
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- Re: which zapper were or are you using? by jaguar57
11 y
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The problem is that the Sota "silver pulser" (their blood electrifier) is for use with both electrodes on one wrist and you have to output a skin-destroying amount of electrical current (3mA) in order for enough to jump into the arteries and zap the blood there. Beck himself tested it and said that 3mA was necessary for 90 milliamps to be detected in the blood in the artery. Most people cant take any more than 1mA! His original research and good results were with using electrodes on both ankles or both wrists. My Microbe Electrifier is only for use in that way which is why my customers are successful. I had a friend with HIV use it that way and he stayed healthy till he finally got lazy and stopped doing it.
Your HIV count is up for two reasons:
1) you are doing blood electrification in a way that puts too little current into too small an amount of blood
2) you are not electrifying the intestinal area (which you can also do with the Microbe Electrifier using the large pad electrodes supplied)
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- Colloidal Silver and peroxide H2O2. by PaasMe
17 y
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Colloidal Silver is a fairly reactive.
Remember that silver was once used for old black and white photographs.
Exposure to an oxidizing agent such as peroxide will probably oxidize a lot of the suspended silver to be silver oxide, and the color change that you see to brown is probably due to the silver having oxidized.
By putting peroxide into the CS, you are very probably deactivating it by changing its chemical properties even before it gets a chance to enter your body.
Remember that after a metal oxidizes, lots of its properties go away. For example, the shininess of polished iron or polished silver gets diminshed / eliminated when tarnished or rusted. Usually a shiny metal indicates a lot of nice electrons easily able to move around. The shine is not there in rust. Rust can form on steel too. Even on poor grades (crappy) of stainless steel.
I suspect that rust is not a good conductor. Copper when it oxidizes turns green, and this green stuff is probably not a good conductor either.
Many other chemical properties probably change after a material has oxidized.
Bye.
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- HIV positive by solmil
17 y
4,322 36
HIV is a benign virus that is in some people and not in others.
It has absolutely no connection to AIDS.
The whole thing is a huge and sad deception.
Even the HIV tests are totally inaccurate.
Check out info on the web.
AIDS is caused by drugs and malnutrition particularly which damage the body's immune response system.
Take care.
Love and peace,
Sol.
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- Re: HIV positive by #30988
17 y
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I would love to believe you but frankly you sound like a broken record. You've read a lot of conspiracy theories. I doubt you've picked up a single test tube and none of what you say is "knowledge". Your statements are benign rhetoric as far as I'm concerned. Not because they're wrong...but because you state them without any basis whatsoever for your claim. And before your retort with all the "knowledge" from all the others that have cited the same thing, all of it falls into the same category.
If you want to believe what you're saying then do so. If you want to evangelize the message then do it with someone who is willing to accept everything you say on blind faith. Unless you have HIV and some real knowledge of it, don't go around acting like its some great conspiracy. I have an HIV "problem" that I'm trying to solve. You have your own problems that I can't really help you with.
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- Re: 6 Months on the Beck Protocol by lightangel
17 y
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| I've been working as a therapist with the Beck Protocol along side other technologies for around 5 years. The advantage I have is that I have seen how the protocol works with many different people on many different conditions from cancer to blood pressure problems. I haven't worked with anyone who is HIV positive yet. When I first came across the protocol, along with Dr Hulda clark's methods, I felt that I had the answer to everyones problems - simply eradicate pathogens from the body and wait for the results. My experience has been that the beck protocol along with Rife technologies and other methods are all excellent at doing what they are supposed to do, but in most cases they are not the answer on their own. I have been struggling for most of my life to deal with serious hayfever, this was my route to becoming a therapist. Although, the beck protocol made the biggest improvement to my health to that point, it didn't totally eradicate my hayfever. For me the missing link was to detox the body of metals. When this was done my hayfever cleared for the first time in my life. The protocol I used was as follows: Dr clarks parasite cleanse, Kidney cleanse, Liver cleanse and then a heavy metal detox using HMD (Heavy Metal Detox). I also received Bowen Technique treatments to deal with postural factors that may have been impacting on my heath. During this process I followed the Beck Protocol and also had weekly treatments with the QXCI and a Photon Generator. For the diet I have that Metabolic Typing has had the biggest impact. I have found, so far, that this approach get consistently good results with clients who follow it. My main experience is that for some people zapping solves their problems for others if zapping is not working then something else is usually blocking the body from getting on top of the situation. My research into heavy metals, solvents and other chemicals led me to believe that it was not good enough to simply avoid exposure as much as possible, but to actively cleanse them from the body. Heavy metals have been shown to accumulate in the body year on year.
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- Re: 6 Months on the Beck Protocol by jude2005386
16 y
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I'm about to buy the Pulser. I don't know anyone doing this until now. I got excited and started typing. Now, I'll start reading your blog. Are you clear of all yeast/fungus? Have you heard about a herbal plant grown in Africa that allegedly kill hiv? I came across this and now trying to find it again...
There is a cure for hiv.It will appear...
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- Re: 6 Months on the Beck Protocol by #30988
15 y
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| When I eat clean, my stomach is fine. The only time I ever had a severe yeast infection was four years ago when I was told I was positive. The anxiety and the stress of finding that out put me in that state. Back then, I discovered THREELAC and it produced a wonderful recovery when nothing else seemed to work. Keep it on the back burner. I don't take it anymore but I know where to get it if I need it.
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