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There's an article on the site of Vivation on something they call "pleasure tolerance". Although I would very much like Abraham to comment on this concept, for the moment we have only the opinion of Jim Leonard, who's anyway not too far from LOA as a way to see things.
Everyone has a pleasure tolerance, that depends on many factors, the way they've been grown up and others, and this pleasure tolerance can be expanded if you consciously let in more joy than your tolerance would allow.
Sometimes the reason why certain resistances get activated is that we've arrived pretty much to our limit of pleasure tolerance. If it is so, then it is more useful to focus on expanding that limit by consciously focusing on joy than working on the resistances themselves.
I'm thinking for example of Monica, who passed a phase of great exhilaration after learning about LOA, and recently all of a sudden bumped in some walls that were a bit coming out of the blue (correct me if I remember wrong). Could it be you were challenging badly your pleasure tolerance? a possible explanation. If it is so, the solution is just to continue to challenge that limit, more than to work on the resistances.
here's the link
http://www.vivation.com/ArticlePT.htm
"Pleasure tolerance means being able to accept life as pleasurable only up to some limit. It means not allowing your life to get too good. If life becomes pleasurable beyond that limit, subconscious mechanisms are activated that bring the level of pleasure back down to the acceptable level.
Everyone has a pleasure tolerance. Some people can tolerate more pleasure than others."....and so on
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- Re: "pleasure tolerance" Ynaig
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This is a reply to # 1,123,838"Pleasure tolerance means being able to accept life as pleasurable only up to some limit. It means not allowing your life to get too good. If life becomes pleasurable beyond that limit, subconscious mechanisms are activated that bring the level of pleasure back down to the acceptable level."
This statement feels upstream because it imposes limits on expansion. We are forever expanding!!!!
Ynaig- Re: "pleasure tolerance" - serafina -
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,123,842You can expand if you do it consciously, but by default you would recoil.
Maybe if you read the rest of the article it becomes more clear - The definition of joy ... Ynaig
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This is a reply to # 1,123,842"Joy: Love is the only word I know of that can express the essence of joy. We all have individual and unique moments of joy. The French say "joie de vivre," the joy of life. It is true, to be alive is to love. Appoint your inner child to CEO of your entire group of spirit guides. The joy within will notice traction.
To those naysayerswho say "you can't always be experiencing joy," I say: (1) The slave word can't tipped me off. (2) Exactly how much non-joy am I to experience before I can experience joy? (3) I submit that in this lifetime alone I have experienced plenty of non-joy, in fact enough for an inexhaustible supply of joyousness. I chose infinite joy."
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- Re: The definition of joy ... - serafina -
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This is a reply to # 1,123,871ehi ehi, stay cool the two of you! Jim Leonard is NOT saying that anyone has the right to that part of joy and not more, on the contrary! oh well, forget it, it is not so essential after all...
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- Re: "pleasure tolerance" monica999
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This is a reply to # 1,123,838Hi Serafina. I read the article and agree with Ynaig. It is like saying, I cant be as happy as you because I have a low tolerance to joy. The "tolerance" comes from what you focus more on - good thoughts lead to more good thoughts which lead to joy and more joy. Feeling unworthy is based on resistant beliefs, a feeling of not being good enough. These are wrong beliefs because we are all worthy of having whatever we desire as a birthright. Negative beliefs mean negative thoughts mean negative feelings mean less joy.
oxox Monica - Re: "pleasure tolerance" chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,123,838well...my view is people can feel that the idea is a *negative one* and recoil, (which it could be said is itself a kind of contraction into the negative) or not.
John Wellwood, a psychologist (I'm remembering from years ago)called it a ceiling, this ceiling that one imposes according to conditioning and all sorts of factors, most of which are about putting limits on what's possible. It's all very well to insist that everything be "downstream" but the facts for many people are that it's not so easy to think themselves into a higher vibration, without actually feeling a spiritual connection free-flowing between themselves and a Divine *God* presence. I think it is a perfectly good thing for people to consider: that they might actually harbor a subconscious 'ceiling'. It explains a lot of the sort of spoiling of happiness that can happen between couples where people often will say "just when everything was so perfect", when they were vibrating at what felt like a divine rate. Maybe the missing piece was a certain Grace that one allows to 'descend' so to speak. One can't always be pushing with the will toward the good. That's where a Divine allowing (and humility) comes in.
It's a curious thing that a lot of people see humility as some sort of passivity that they feel is at odds with (what I see as a common wish for) a constant buzzing *high*. I think it's a valid consideration (without wallowing in it) that the ceiling motif might be present, when we don't feel a genuine flow from Source to our hearts.
In some subtle ways you have to be willing to be emptied to be filled, and to dissolve all ceilings. this 'emptiness' I'm talking about is probably more accurately thought of as being purely 'of' the moment. Letting go (of forever envisioning and desiring) and letting God.
- Re: "pleasure tolerance" chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,123,923it's probably a good time for a discourse on the perils of ego. Anyone have a good Abraham link that speaks to that?
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- Re: "pleasure tolerance" chirontherainbowbridge
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I'll keep it in mind! It can be a weighty subject if it's not approached from the right direction (i.e. as above so below) :-) Right now, got to get to work on a survey of light in colour, along the lines of "the sufferings of light"-- which is not to say
suffering as in dragging the caboose.
* Love your jongos laughing and telling you about simply moving from flower to flower.
That's Divine.
Alison
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- Re: "pleasure tolerance" heartspirit
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This is a reply to # 1,123,838According to Abraham, pleasure tolerance relates closely to dominant vibration. That is the frequency which we have consciously or unconsciously repeated so often and with such powerful faith that it is our dominant frequency. As we know, this may be consciously changed. All we have to do is put as much faith i.e. repitition and strength of belief, into the new frequency as we had in the old frequency.
Pleasure tolerance is also synonymous to Well-being. Abraham uses various processes, such as moving along the Emotional Guidance Scale, to move focus away from any reinforced limiting emotions/thoughts to Allow more well-being i.e. pleasure.
They are pretty much the same thing from what I understand. I like the processes from the article.
Abraham's #1 motto is: "Make it your number #1 priority to always feel good".
An article on 'Allowing Your Natural Well-being'
http://www.abraham-hicks.com/journal.php?eid=144
Love
Lori- Re: "pleasure tolerance" monica999
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This is a reply to # 1,123,957"According to Abraham, pleasure tolerance relates closely to dominant vibration. "
Thats what I thought :-)
Serafina - I LOVE your stimulating posts!! Thanks for digging up these things - like the video about the water.
xoxo Monica
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Yes, heartspirit, I think so too. It seems to me that Leonard's "expanding the pleasure tolerance" and Abraham's "letting it in" are pretty much the same thing, and they both consider it the core of anyone's growth. Just different vocabulary.
But what made me think, of this article, is the consideration that when we find ourselves in resistance, it can be for no particular reason other than that we've reached the ceiling, as Alison would call it. In that case the content of the resistance is just symptomatic, and the most advisable thing to do, as Leonard suggests, is consciously focus on the pleasure, expanding like that the range. I found it was kinda interesting, as he corroborates the position of Abraham of not working too much on resistances and let joy change the focus. So also Leonard suggests, instead of working on limiting beliefs, shame and other stuff that constitute the content of our resistance, to consciously open ourselves to pleasure, challenging our normal borders of pleasure tolerance, deliberately expanding our ability to embrace reality. Alluding to the idea that the real root of the problems is not the content of the resistance, but the resistance itself to pleasure. It is a subtlety but it makes a world of difference in the approach to blockages. He's like that little step more radical than Abraham, if you like, or maybe only a little more explicit in this sense.
In these days I'm considering a change of paradigm, where I feel like letting go of my traditional approach that has always been very much for the healing of the resistances, and trust more the wonders of love. It is because I suddenly remembered that in the latest session with jongos they were just laughing at me when I mentioned works of healing and stuff like that, they were actually pretty much amused, and repeated over and over that one just needs to fly from flower to flower like a butterly and that is all there is to do.
So I trust plants, I trust Abrahams, I like Leonard, and I like contradicting myself and trying new ways, and that was more or less the kind of thinking behind this thread. Of course I am not saying it is right, as there are many paths, but I just feel like trying this and see what happens.- Re: "pleasure tolerance" Invincible
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This is a reply to # 1,124,103"Alluding to the idea that the real root of the problems is not the content of the resistance, but the resistance itself to pleasure."
I am loving the stimulating posts you have been providing us with Sofia!
I'm really resonanting with your posts in this thread. I see that this resistance is located at the emotions of unworthiness/insecurity/guilt. I know lots of Catholics who would struggle with accepting pleasure .. for them, all pleasure is a type of sin .. and then there's the guilt factor for some ("I feel bad when I feel good because someone else isn't getting it" ... or "If I have it, I am denying it to someone else" etc ...), and also those that feel they are not good enough or undeserving of pleasure .. so they feel better in their own struggles (the meek shall inherit the Earth type attitudes)
It's all programing. Many have been brought up to relate pleasure with pain/struggle.
"I like contradicting myself and trying new ways"
Good for you! Flexibilty is wonderful. I have changed paths so many different times and it broadens us enormously. It's a very expansive
Would love to discuss this more, but got to go .. But really, what a wonderful thread! You have brought some wonderfully lively discussions to this forum. Keep it up!
Love
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"In these days I'm considering a change of paradigm, where I feel like letting go of my traditional approach that has always been very much for the healing of the resistances, and trust more the wonders of love."
I see what you're saying and where you're coming from. It is true for me too, I think most of us think that we have to 'change' the resistance. We keep trying to change it or get rid of it. Yes, in the past I've tried to get rid of it. That is just adding more fuel to the fire!!!
Once I told a dream to a wonderful friend that I was jealous in the dream. And I kept thinking on the jealousy: why am I jealous? What should I do? What does it mean?She replied: "Maybe you shouldn't (and can't) do anything with the jealousy. Maybe it just IS. Maybe it just wants you to accept it as it IS." I thought that was so brilliant. She is very clear in her consciousness, in my opinion.
I have comed to learn it is not the emotion that is 'wrong' or 'bad'...I think that is often what we think. We judge the emotion. And then bring attention to it.
So when we detach from the negativity, by letting it 'be' without judging it, without trying to change it, or even wanting it to change it all, we have DETACHED...and it loosens its grip and we get more freedom.
For those issues that we have repeatedly judged and have much resistance to, I do agree with bringing loving attention with processes like visualization, Byron Katie's "The Work", Debbie Ford's method of shadows, etc. These are really all loving ways to detach, and even appreciate, the 'negativity'.
So your sense is spot on, as they say. It's wonderful to see you saying "YES" to all the wonderful things of life....that acceptance, in fact, I'm sure, is loosening all your resistances anyway!! You are an inspiration!
Because, I think, when we can easily detach in general, all the resistances fall away, little by little. And since we are already wanting to align to ourselves, we are gently guided all the while. As you evidence for us too!
By the way, Abraham is totally on board with this 'newer' approach you're heading of . Totally.
Love
Lori
P.S. Sorry if I'm being a bit philosophical...I think this is a passion of mine!
Chuckle: I just saw you saying these same words..."Alluding to the idea that the real root of the problems is not the content of the resistance, but the resistance itself to pleasure."
Yes!
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- Re: "pleasure tolerance" Ynaig
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This is a reply to # 1,123,838Thank you for finding this article.
However I have to point out that some parts of it might feel upstream instead of downstream.
Also these articles can also be considered a stepping stone.
All the Abraham teachings feels all downstream, and reading all again and again I never felt upstream not a bit. Everything flowed downstream from Abraham.
Of course, the article you linked to might feel a bit upstream that's because the person writing it might have had some upstream experiences and influenced the article as well. Nothing wrong with that. It's all in the perspective being used.
If you like the articles, I'm not stopping you and I say to you, enjoy reading them.
Ynaig
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