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hello,
I'm going to start taking large amounts of colloidal silver. However, I cannot make my own due to the neulogical condition that I suffer with.
Therefore I am looking to buy large amounts of it. I have purchased from Utopia Silver before and I do believe they have an excellent product. However a gallon of silver costs $240. That's just too much for me. I simply can't afford.
I found somebody that sells 500 ppm colloidal silver.
What do you think about diluting the 500 ppm solution with distilled water until it is in the 10 to 20 ppm range?
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- Re: diluting 500 ppm silver? Tony Isaacs
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What do you think about diluting the 500 ppm solution with distilled water until it is in the 10 to 20 ppm range?
I think it is not a good idea at all. The key is not PPM, but rather surface area per PPM. The only 500 PPM products I know use large PPM to be as effective as better quality smaller PPM products because they use large particle silver made by an inferior process.
You could swallow a 0.999 pure silver marble and have 999,000 PPM silver - but it will not have a fraction of the surface area of quality silver that has particles that are in the tiny sub-nanometer to 10 nm size range. Think of how many basketballs you could get in a 50 gallon container and then add up their surface area. Then think of how many BB's you could get in a 50 gallon container and add up that surface area. Their is simply no comparison.
Diluting a large particle 500 PPM product just makes it that much less effective, whereas using it a full strength might be ingesting far too much large particle silver if you intend to use it in much quantity for any length of time.
Utopia Silver runs sales every couple of weeks where you get 25% off their silver, and you can get 15% off anytime with the CureZone discount code of LR001 (which is good on any product provided it is not on sale at the time).
If you want to save some money, my suggestion is to use the discount code on a Silver Bullet generator and make your own quality silver at home for pennies a gallon. No, it is not as efficient in regards to surface area and it contains less true colloidal silver (about 30%) than does their Advanced Colloidal Silver commercial product (which contains 75% or so true colloidal silver and the rest ionic). However, it has more true colloidal silver than many commercial products and virtually all other home generator products.
If it were me, I would start off with the best stuff and catch it on sale, get myself a generator at a discounted price, and follow the best stuff with home produced silver, upping the amount if you want to use the silver in large quantity. Keep some of the best stuff on hand in case of really tough problems that might come along.
May I ask what condition you intend to use the silver for?
All the best,
Tony
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- Re: diluting 500 ppm silver? Tizona
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This is a reply to # 1,525,501well, as I explained in my post I can't make my own colloidal silver because of neurological problems.
I am dealing with a mystery illness that no doctor can figure out. I have severe muscle wasting in my arms and legs, and extreme weakness in my arms and hands. The pain and muscle wasting is centered around my knees and my shoulder joints.
I have been tested for MS, ALS, and other such diseases but have always come up negative because my spine is intact. It seems to be mostly centered on my preferable limbs.
I have tentatively diagnosed myself with both mercury poisoning and lime disease. I am taking a mercury chelating drug for the mercury, and I am doing a rife machine treatments for the lime disease.
I would like to do high doses of colloidal silver as I have read of a few cases of people healing themselves of severe conditions this way.
As far as your comments about colloidal silver go, I severely doubt that making my own colloidal silver is going to be of a much higher quality than diluting a 500 ppm silver solution I buy from somebody else. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
I have used Utopia Silver's advanced colloidal silver product before and I find it to be an excellent product. But even with the discounts it's pretty expensive. I'm going to work my way up to about 8 ounces or more per day. just not sure I can afford that from Utopia.
My condition is very severe, I'm getting pretty desperate. Nothing is really working. Although the rife machine is definitely helping. Still lots to learn with that technology
as far as all of the various protocols I have tried, it's simply too long to list them all. Trust me, I have tried nearly every alternative/holistic health protocol that's in existence.
My diet is pretty good, and I get fresh greens every day and try to eat organic. I take vitamin C, turmeric, selenium, iodine, kelp, tmg, and a bunch of other supplements every day, they all seem to help but none is really cured me- Re: diluting 500 ppm silver? Tony Isaacs
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If the 500 PPM product were effective at diluted amounts, it would likely be sold in diluted amounts. Once again, it is large particle silver, likely very large particle silver and I would take your bet that it would be more effective diluted than the best home-made silver. Perhaps someone could help you make your own colloidal silver and you could mix it 50/50 with the Advanced Colloidal Silver - that would surely be better than the diluted 500 PPM product.
A mercury chelating DRUG? Why not use natural oral chelation substances which get rid of mercury such as chlorella, cilantro, MSM and N-Acetyl Cysteine (which is also effective against wasting)? That's what I use and I bet they are more effective and far safer than any drug. A high protein diet and no fasting are recommended during chelation therapy.
Speaking of magnesium, it is estimated that 90-95% of us are deficient in magnesium. Muscle wasting has been linked to magnesium deficiency, as it also has to deficiency in potassium. Magnesium should be supplemented on a 1 to 2 or 1 to 3 ratio with calcium, as they are important co-factors.
Your problem might be related to an immune disorder of some type. I note that you take turmeric, and that should help - though you may want to take larger amounts of up to 3000 mg per day and find a highly bioavailable form (or else take with black pepper and/or coconut milk). Curcumin (a component of turmeric) is a good immune modulator. Some others are oleander extract, blackseed oil (Nigella sativa), and magnesium. Digestive enzymes taken on an empty stomach (3 or 4 at a time two or three times daily) may also help.
All the best,
Tony
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This is a reply to # 1,525,545but why would a higher parts per million solution contain much larger particles? I don't really see the correlation
As for the mercury chelation, I am using the Andrew Cutler method. And I am very happy with it. All those things that you mentioned may, or may not, remove mercury from the body. However, the substances in the Cutler protocol have been scientifically proven to remove mercury. Just because the substance is labeled a "drug" doesn't mean it can't be effective or beneficial
As for getting somebody to help me with the silver, that is a possibility. However I am already getting various people to help me with serious things, so sometimes my help get stretched a bit thin. I was hoping I could find a way to do this on my own
As for the magnesium and calcium, I have taken them before on and off in the past, but I should definitely start taking them again thank you for the reminder. I have some calcium citrate and magnesium malate sitting right here on my desk
I will look into the Black seed oil, thanks for the suggestion- Re: diluting 500 ppm silver? Tony Isaacs
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This is a reply to # 1,525,579The reason most products that contain high PPM silver is that they produce their silver with larger particle, and the result of using enough larger particles to have an effective surface area comparable to the smaller nano-sized particles made by today's better manufacturers results in the much higher PPM. Once again, Tixona, it is surface area and NOT PPM that really matters. The more surface area you have the more you will have silver coming into contact with pathogens and other problems in your body. Take a thin blanket and fold it up as tightly as you can. Perhaps only a few square inches will come into contact with your body. Unfold it and you cover and contact virtually all of the body.
If the 500 PPM product would be effected diluted, why don't they just dilute it to begin with or else recommend dilution on the label and advertising? They don't and there has to be a reason for that. I think that I have the answer when I say that they have to use more of their larger particle silver to be as effective as other products, and they cover that deficiency by trying to turn it into an advantage by advertising their higher PPMs.
Most of the high PPM silver products I have looked at refer to the fact that they use the same method of producing silver that was used in the tests of silver against pathogens. That sounds good on paper, but what they are saying is that they are using outdated methods which were the only ones available at the time and those methods produced very large particles compared to the methods used today by the better manufacturers.
I note that many, but not all, of the same elements in the Cutler method are among the same as the ones I suggested. I don't see anything particularly dangerous in the Cutler method. Although there have been some questions raised about EDTA and DMPS, they are regarded as relatively safe by most people.
You are right when you state that just because the substance is labeled a "drug" doesn't mean it can't be effective or beneficial. On the other hand, mankind did not develop alongside lab created synthetic compounds and perhaps that explains why over 95% of all approved drugs have side-effects.
I have seldom seen any drug that is as safe or effective as items found in nature.
BTW, who makes the 500 PPM silver you refer to? When you make silver in concentrations that high it is virtually impossible to keep the particles from agglomerating and precipitating out unless you artificially suspend them in something like protein. And guess what - skin loves protein. Lots of silver plus skin can give result in you becoming a member of the Smurffs.
All the best,
Tony
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thanks for your input. This is the company with the high parts per million silver I am looking at
http://www.ultrasilver.com/Ultra-Silver.html
as far as the Mercury goes, DMPS has a track record decades long as the most effective mercury chelation agent in the world. It has literally brought people back from the brink of death as shown here. This is just one of many such studies done
Note that there were no negative side effects reported. I have had none myself, only good has come from using this drug. I think there is a chance I would be dead now without it. That is not an exaggeration
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Mercury Kinetics in a Case of Severe Mercuric Chloride Poisoning Treated with Dimercapto-1-propane Sulphonate (DMPS)
A.E. Toet
National Poison Control Center, National Institute of Public Health and Environmental Protection, P.O. Box 1, 3720 BA Bilthoven, Department of Intensive Care and Clinical Toxicology, University Hospital Utrecht, P.O. Box 85500, 3508 GA Utrecht
A. van Dijk
Department of Hospital Pharmacy, University Hospital Utrecht, P.O. Box 85500, 3508 GA Utrecht, The Netherlands
T.J.F. Savelkoul
National Poison Control Center, National Institute of Public Health and Environmental Protection, P.O. Box 1, 3720 BA Bilthoven, Department of Intensive Care and Clinical Toxicology, University Hospital Utrecht, P.O. Box 85500, 3508 GA Utrecht
J. Meulenbelt
National Poison Control Center, National Institute of Public Health and Environmental Protection, P.O. Box 1, 3720 BA Bilthoven, Department of Intensive Care and Clinical Toxicology, University Hospital Utrecht, P.O. Box 85500, 3508 GA Utrecht
1 A case of severe mercuric chloride poisoning with clinical signs of mucosal damage of the gastrointestinal tract and anuric renal failure, is presented. The initial whole blood mercury concentration was 14,300 ?g 1-1. This concentration is supposed to be associated with fatal outcome due to multiple organ failure.
2 Because of anuric renal failure, haemodialysis was necessary. Kidney function returned to normal within 10 days. Haemodialysis proved to be ineffective with regard to total mercury elimination.
3 Treatment with DMPS was started because of very severe poisoning, anuric renal failure and optimistic reports on the 'new' chelating agent 2,3-dimercapto-1-propanesulphonic acid (DMPS) in mercury poisoning. DMPS was administered by parenteral route initially and was continued thereafter by oral route, until whole blood and urine mercury concentrations had decreased below a level considered as toxic. Except for a temporary pruritic erythema of the skin, no side effects of DMPS treatment were observed.
4 The clinical course was mild, despite continuing high whole blood mercury concentrations, Recovery was uneventful and complete. DMPS treatment, administered by intravenous and oral route, was shown to be an effective alternative for BAL in life-threatening mercuric chloride intoxication.
5 The pharmacokinetic data presented in this case report suggest that non-renal mercury clearance may considerably exceed renal mercury clearance.
Human & Experimental Toxicology, Vol. 13, No. 1, 11-16 (1994)
DOI: 10.1177/096032719401300103
- Re: diluting 500 ppm silver? Tony Isaacs
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Yes, DMPS appears to have a good safety record and it certainly is much preferable to the side-effect prone BAPS.
Now, the company you list states:
"Ultra Silver is proven to have a mean particle size of 35.2 nanometers"
Which means that there are both larger (perhaps much larger) and smaller particles which average out to 35.2 nanometers in size. I am personally not comfortable with the product and it's high concentration and since the smallest PPM product they sell is 1000 PPM, I would rather imagine that any further dilution will simply give you a lot of large particle silver with diminuishing effectiveness the further you dilute it.
I also note that they really do not state definitively whether or not they use protein to help keep their particles in suspension, but I do not see how they could keep from doing so, given the large size of at least some of their particles and the fact that silver particles begin to agglomerate (lump together) at concentrations of greater than 20 PPM, and do so increasingly as the PPM count rises.
All the best,
Tony
- Re: diluting 500 ppm silver? SDK
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This is a reply to # 1,525,734Hi,
I have checked the 500ppm site and they do state protein as one of the ingredients.
http://www.ultrasilver.com/Ultra-Silver-5000/Ultra-Silver-5-000-32-oz-p12.html
Quote:
Ingredients: Steam Distilled Water, Pharmaceutical Grade Silver, Protein
Warnings: Caution: Avoid contact with eyes. Pregnant or lactating women and persons under the age of 18 should consult a doctor before using any product.
Directions: Adults: Take 2 - 3 mL three times daily, mixing with six ounces of water or juice. Concentrated formula intended for short term use only and is recommended for 10 days or less. One teaspoon is approximately 5 mL.
Unquote.
They also recommend short term use most likely for the same reason Tony is talking about Smurfs.
With kind regards, Slavek.
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