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And the Oxygenated Silver Hydrosol Molecule (OSHM)
Classical colloid science deals with dispersions for which at least one dimension of a dispersed phase falls within about 1 and 1000 nm (0.001 to 1 micron). (In applied colloid science the upper size limit is commonly extended to at least 10,000 to 100,000 nm. (10 or 100 microns) In the case of colloidal silver, it is solid particles (of silver) in a liquid (water). It is not in fact a suspension, as the definition of a suspension is particles larger than 1 micron (1,000 nanometers) while colloidal particles are defined as 1 nm to 1,000 nm and a solution (ions) is defined as particles less than 1 nm in diameter. An ion or atom of silver is about 1/4 nm diameter. One nm being a billionth of a meter or 1/1,000th of a micron (millionth of a meter). Thus, the largest allowed colloidal particle of 1,000 nm would contain about 45,000,000,000 atoms or ions of silver (D cubed X pi/4).
The ideal then, is to have as many ions as possible, since they could yield as many as 45 billion times more discrete particles, enhancing bio-activity from both quantity and size aspects. The more typical, large colloidal silver particle of 200 nm would contain 380 million ions or atoms. BHI’s OSHM product is over 99% ions but in practice most ionic silver solutions and colloidal silvers have far less, due to lack of understanding of what variables must be closely controlled to prevent formation of non ionic atoms, crystals or salts. Those that "salt" the water or "look for a cloud of ions" are doomed to producing very few to no ions of silver and thus "a very weak product.
What is popularly referred to as colloidal silver is in fact usually a combination of ions (dissolved), atoms (colloidal), crystals (suspended but usually settle out) and salts of silver (rarely dissolved and usually settle out). Soluble silver salts, like silver nitrate, provide free ions of silver but also dangerous nitrate ions. In fact numerous silver hydrosols are not produced in a controlled reaction chambers and many do not control the mineral content or the dissolved gases in the water being used which can result in the production of silver nitrate, and other dangerous derivatives.
The best bio-availability is from the ionic form, with rapidly decreasing biological benefits from the other forms, the ionic form being 300 times more effective to 17,000 times more effective than many silver salts. Put another way, you would need a daily dose of 1 to 30 gallons of colloidal silver or silver salts to equal one tablespoon of 3PPM OSHM. If you take one tablespoon of OSHM you will get nearly as many bio-available ions as you have cells in your body.
A popular measure of the existence of a colloid, such as colloidal silver, is the Tyndall effect of "the dispersion of a light beam shown thru the liquid". A cloudy path of the light beam will be evident if there are colloidal particles in suspension. It is visible in colloids as weak as 0.1 PPM. Ions, the preferred form of silver, are NOT visible, even with a high powered microscope.
Thus, a strong Tyndall effect is an indication of larger silver particles and thus less bioavailability while a weak Tyndall effect indicates more ions of silver, assuming you are comparing the same PPM.
PPM, by the way, is a measure of "parts by weight", so it cares less if ionic, atomic, crystalline or salts of silver. Ion Specific Electrodes can measure the ionic particles only, while atomic absorption can measure them all. A centrifuge can separate out the particles of a colloid, leaving the dissolved ions. The common measurement of solution conductivity, using low cost PPM meters, will measure only the charged particles. These will include colloidal silver particles (atoms or clusters of atoms), silver ions and dissolved salts (which disassociate into charged ions), but will not measure any crystals or non-charged atom clusters. The measurement is in microsiemens/centimeter and for colloidal silver converts at 1.6 uS/PPM.
With the vast majority of the market, silver ions are inherently produced, by low voltage electrolysis, but when they reach the negative electrode they gain an electron and become an atom of silver (non bioactive) and/or join to others to make crystals of silver. These are weak crystal structures, like snow flakes, and may fall off the electrode if disturbed.
Also if current density (uamp/cm) is not controlled properly, there will be few ions stripped off the silver electrode and the disruptive energy will knock off mostly atoms or chunks (crystals) of silver. Further, if circulation is not used, a conducting string of ions/atoms will bridge between the electrodes and crystal growth will proceed in between the electrodes. This then leads to very high current density (point discharge of current), negating any current limiter (constant current) benefits.
The measure of the stability of a colloid is the zeta potential or particle charge. It is a negative surface charge, unlike the positive ionic charge (due to loss of an electron) of ionic silver. Since like charges repel the particles stay separated, for good stability. It is possible to have both positive and negatively charged particles in a solution, just as salt disassociates into + sodium and - chloride ions. In the solvating action of water, ions are surrounded by micelle of water, greatly reducing their mobility.
In summation, the ionic (positively charged) form will have the highest bio-availability and bio-activity of any form of silver. It can’t be produced in high PPM due to the limited solubility of silver ions in water (metallic silver is not soluble in water but can be suspended in colloidal form). That is, when the saturation point is reached (about 15-20 PPM) precipitation will occur. Higher concentrations (to 500+ PPM) can be made if bound to protein, but the ions are surrounded and thus have their bioactivity masked, allowing mold growth on the protein surface.
Unlike most ionic silver hydrosol, BHI’s product is an oxygen–silver product which is produced in a highly controlled chamber to ensure the creation of pure silver ions and pure oxygen ions in an environment that facilitates the formation of the covalent silver-oxygen bonds found in Bionaid. The chamber this reaction occurs in is commonly referred to internally as the reaction chamber or the reactor because the covalent reaction between the oxygen (O-) and silver (Ag+) ions which produces OSHM happens inside of this chamber. Oxygen ions are both introduced and also are made available after the bond between hydrogen and oxygen is broken between some water molecules present in the chamber which releases the hydrogen as a gas. As the hydrogen bond is broken in the H2O each hydrogen atom keeps one electron with it leaving the oxygen atom without two electrons. The positive ions of silver readily bond to these negative ions of oxygen due to their opposite polarity.
Stable oxygen that we breathe in every day is O2. O3 is an unstable form of oxygen that has an extra electron looking to pair itself. This instability is what makes O3 a universal cleaner. For example: lightning creates O3 and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) in our atmosphere and in our water to help cleanse our planet. O3 breaks down in water to (H2O) and (O2). In our Bionaid products, O3 is stabilized by a covalent bond with the silver atoms creating the oxygen silver covalently bonded molecule. The combined antiviral and antibacterial properties of silver with the natural cleansing power of the O3 makes our product one of the most powerful immune system boosters on the market today.
Free Radicals are formed naturally within our bodies to clean up toxins. Free Radicals are often formed in excess today as a result of environmental pollutants as well as diets heavy in sugars and rancid oils. These excess free radicals snatch electrons from healthy molecules and are considered a primary cause of aging. The body needs help to supply these free radicals with electrons. Once these free radicals are supplied with an electron they can be eliminated from the body before they do further harm. The covalent bond of the O3 particle of our oxygen silver molecules is easily broken once in the body and becomes available to satisfy free radicals by providing the needed electrons. Our product is therefore a free radical scavenger.
“O3 Selectively inhibits Human Cancer Cell Growth.” “…cancer cells are less able to compensate for the oxidative burden of ozone than normal cells.” O3 inhibits cancer 40-60%, and up to 90% in a dose dependant manner, yet there is no response from mainstream medicine. 1980 Aug. 22nd Sweet F, Kao M S, Lee S-CD (Dep. of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Washington University School of Medicine, St. Louis, MO) & W. Hagar (St. Louis Air Pollution Control) Published in “Science” Vol. 209:931-933.
“… Oxygen is the most important healing substance, the most effective detoxification agent, the premium blood cleanser, the most potent antibiotic, a versatile hormone, a blood clotter and declotter, and the conductor of the orchestra of the immune system.” Dr. Majid Ali, M.D.The Institute of Integrative Medicine, New York
“Pathogens, bacteria and fungi cannot live in a highly oxygenated body. The hundreds of different diseases named by allopathy (whether viral, bacterial, communicable, autoimmune or degenerative) are but symptoms of one underlying cause. That cause is hypoxia, or oxygen starvation at the cellular level, leading to internal toxicity." Two-time Nobel Prize Winner, Dr. Otto Warburg M.D., PH.D.
O3 is such a powerful therapeutic tool because it deals with the underlying cause through both oxygenation and oxidation. O3 taken on a regular basis in the home will, over time, safely clean all the fluid of the body, and furnish an oxygen-rich environment for all the cells in the body, providing high levels of immunity from most common diseases.PHYSIOLOGY OF PRODUCT CONSUMPTION DELIVERY AND EXCRETION
Life would not exist if soluble minerals including highly reactive ions such as silver ions did not have a safe means of transport into and in your blood stream.
The body however can not process raw metallic crystals such as colloidal silver. The only helath benefit in taking colloidal silver is due to the fact that even colloidal silvers usually contain at least some bio-available silver ions. However, while body electrolytes can release a few ions of silver from metallic silver i.e. colloidal silver it is far from the benefits of the direct oral intake of trillions of silver ions establishing a therapeutic dose in the blood. At 6PPM a tablespoon of our oxygenated silver hydrosol contains over 120 trillion ions which is more than the total number of cells in the human body. These ions are transported into the body by Metallothionein (MT) a relatively small molecule that binds heavy metals including silver, cadmium, iron, copper and zinc, and is made by most cells in our body.
In humans, metallic ions, either free or disassociated from dissolved soluble salts are immediately isolated by ligands in the saliva, usually metalloproteins such as Metallothionein, and a large number of these ions are absorbed directly into your body through the mucus membranes of the mouth and esophagus prior to reaching your stomach. Your saliva has over 200 different proteins and fully one third of body proteins are metalloproteins i.e. carrying metallic ions. Thus, reactive ions (missing one or more electrons) are transported past the stomach and thru the circulatory system without local reactions to even chemicals in the stomach. For example, metal ion substitution permits even a zinc metalloprotein to take up the silver ion and release the zinc ion. The free, ionized zinc, which would be toxic if permitted to accumulate, binds to a metal regulatory element on the promoter region of the Metallothionein gene and "turns on" the synthesis of more Metallothionein.
The Metallothionein protein is composed of a polypeptide chain of 61 amino acid residues of which there are 20 cysteine residues and many lysine’s and arginines. There are no aromatic amino acids and very few bulky aliphatic ones. All the cysteines occur in the reduced forms and the metal ions are co-ordinated to them through mercaptide bonds. Ion channel formation /Transmembrane ion transport, a critical process in providing energy for cell functions, is carried out by pore-forming macromolecules capable of discriminating among very similar ions and responding to changes in membrane potential. It is widely regarded that ion channels are exclusively proteins.
Extensive research has shown that silver exporting ATPase Hydrolases act on acid anhydrides, catalysing transmembrane movement of substances such our OSHM’s. The ion pump mechanism utilizes energy from ATP to force ions thru a cell membrane, verses the passive diffusion, in which case the protein (in the cell membrane) that allows this transport is called an ion channel.
See the Universal Protein Database for data on a silver substituted metalloprotein, a very small protein composed of only 294 atoms. (PDB # 1AQQ)
After the OSHM is no longer bioactive ninety eight percent of the OSHM consumed in a day is excreted via the large intestine and the kidneys. Even if one liter (nearly 4 bottles of our OSHM product was taken in one day the body will excrete all but 2% of the silver within 24 hours. OSHM starts its elimination process by combining with plasma proteins, after which it is removed by the liver. More than 90% is eliminated in the bile. Most of this comes out in the feces; with very little being excreted in the urine. The 2% of silver that is not excreted through the bowl is deposited in the skin and mucous tissues. Tissue deposition of silver results from precipitation of insoluble salts, such as silver chloride and silver phosphate, into cell membranes mostly. These may be transformed to soluble silver sulphide albuminates and bind with amino or carboxyl groups in proteins and nucleic acids. They may also be oxidized to metallic silver by ascorbic acid, or catecholamines, and slowly excreted via your sweat glands. The OSHM is readily processed and excreted in these manners.FYI: African NDA Application:
Unlike our product regular metallic colloidal silver products, or other poorly produced products such as silver salts or crystals, may be retained for years since your body can not process large silver particles. The body either discharges these particles without any beneficial physiological benefit or absorbs the silver particles in the tissues if they are not removed by the lymphatic system. The fatal dose of retained silver for the average human is 10 grams. Due to its low PPM there is no way to receive a fatal does at one time. The body would literally die from over hydration before a fatal dose could be achieved at one time.
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highly controlled chamber to ensure the creation of pure silver ions and pure oxygen ions in an environment that facilitates the formation of the covalent silver-oxygen bonds found in xxx.
You could have saved a lot of writing by simply saying you are creating molecules of silver oxides, which are larger than colloidal silver. Ozone reacts with silver forming AgO and Ag2O. Silver oxides are extremely mild oxidizers, not anywhere close to the oxidation potential of actual ozone.
O3 breaks down in water to (H2O) and (O2).
You better check your chemistry. Ozone (O3) DOES NOT break down in to water (H2O). Where are the hydrogen atoms in the ozone to form water? That's right, they don't exist. Ozone reacts with the water forming hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), and as the ozone breaks down it will form diatomic oxygen (O2) through the loss of one of its oxygen atoms. But more water is not formed by the breakdown of ozone in water.
The combined antiviral and antibacterial properties of silver with the natural cleansing power of the O3 makes our product one of the most powerful immune system boosters on the market today.
Have you ever looked at the MSDS for silver oxide? Is it even safe?:
http://www.espimetals.com/msds's/silveroxide.pdf
By the way ozone is so reactive that it will even break itself down. So you cannot store ozone, and silver oxides do not contain any ozone. So claiming the product is providing the cleansing power of ozone is nothing but misleading sales hype!!!
Free Radicals are formed naturally within our bodies to clean up toxins. Free Radicals are often formed in excess today as a result of environmental pollutants as well as diets heavy in sugars and rancid oils. These excess free radicals snatch electrons from healthy molecules and are considered a primary cause of aging.
Did you know that ozone and other oxidizers are strong free radicals? And since silver oxides are oxidizers this means they are also free radical generators.
“O3 Selectively inhibits Human Cancer Cell Growth.” “…cancer cells are less able to compensate for the oxidative burden of ozone than normal cells.” O3 inhibits cancer 40-60%, and up to 90% in a dose dependant manner, yet there is no response from mainstream medicine. 1980 Aug. 22nd Sweet F, Kao M S, Lee S-CD (Dep. of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Washington University School of Medicine, St. Louis, MO) & W. Hagar (St. Louis Air Pollution Control) Published in“Science” Vol. 209:931-933.
Yes, ozone is extremely effective against cancer in large part because it is such a strong free radical. And it has immune stimulating properties. But silver oxides DO NOT contain ozone and they DO NOT provide ozone. I really don't understand you go through all the scientific hype, but then make blatant errors like claiming silver oxides provide ozone or that ozone breaks down in water forming more water.
“Pathogens, bacteria and fungi cannot live in a highly oxygenated body. The hundreds of different diseases named by allopathy (whether viral, bacterial, communicable, autoimmune or degenerative) are but symptoms of one underlying cause. That cause is hypoxia, or oxygen starvation at the cellular level, leading to internal toxicity." Two-time Nobel Prize Winner, Dr. Otto Warburg M.D., PH.D.
This is not true by any means. If it were true we could cure at least 95% of diseases with hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which supersaturates the body's tissues with oxygen. This obviously is not the case. Actually Warburg has been one of the most misquoted people ever to exist. Usually the claim is that Warburg said cancer resulted from a lack f oxygen. Problem is that this is not what Warburg said. What Warburg found and was awarded one of the Nobel Prizes for was finding that cancer cells would continue to ferment REGARDLESS of how much oxygen was present.
O3 is such a powerful therapeutic tool because it deals with the underlying cause through both oxygenation and oxidation. O3 taken on a regular basis in the home will, over time, safely clean all the fluid of the body, and furnish an oxygen-rich environment for all the cells in the body, providing high levels of immunity from most common diseases.
And ozone has what to do with your product other than being used to oxidize the silver?
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No thanks. After seeing the number of errors in the chemistry and all the misleading hype I will stick to real ozone and herbs.
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This is a reply to # 1,640,606Thanks for the comments, but you are in a chemistry "box" that you cannot see out of. The technology used in xxx is not confined to your "box". As long as you remain in that "box", there is nothing that I can say to convince you of the errors in your comments.
The size of the particle in xxx is the size of 3 Oxygen atoms COVALENTLY BONDED to 1 atom of Silver, and the minute Hydrogen. It is stablized. It is non-photosensitive! Its provided in clear bottles and does not break down in water.
This is the most advanced technology and backed by a $1,000,000 reward, in gold, for superior safety and efficacy. You are welcome to take the challenge, but if you fail you owe the owner a whopping $1M in gold.
"Larger than colloidal silver" you say? What size is colloidal silver? Obviously it varies in size, and that makes your statement erroneous.
Your biggest error is taking the silver oxide ASSUMPTION and running with it as if it is factual in describing anything to do with xxx. You make several erroneous assumptions and build a strawman full of hype that you fabricate yourself.
Retired government officials, one of which has endoresed it as the best silver product they have ever tested in the world, and who does not make such claims without validating it with the best research methods available knows what he is endorsing.
Twisting the Warburg quote earns you no credibility either, and neither does you comparison of the hyperbaric oxygen therapy, as their is no comparison to what is going on in the cell with the xxx particle.
Is that the best you've got? If so, then no sense in wasting time explaining it to you. Best of luck, though, on getting up to speed with the technical aspects of the subject matter.
- Wouldn't touch the stuff with a 10' ... Iolite
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We'll, I can imagine why you wouldn't want to touch it with a 10' pole, but there is not a "poll" in this discussion requesting touches from 10' pole.
This is scientific information for those wanting to know about silver health breakthroughs that has been censored by the news media due to pharmaceutical interests that stand to lose substantially from the information getting out.
I'll be glad to discuss science with you, but it does not appear that you have any interest in science. You only intend to ATTEMPT to disparage.You attempt failed.
- Re: Your 10' poll will not be missed... Hveragerthi
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This is scientific information for those wanting to know about silver health breakthroughs that has been censored by the news media due to pharmaceutical interests that stand to lose substantially from the information getting out.
ROTFLMAO!!!! What a load of crap!!!!! Do you want to see how many abstracts I have for herbs and supplements I pulled from Medline showing their benefits even though they compete with pharmaceutical interests? The "censorship" claim is nothing more than misleading claims again designed to hide the real truth, which is that no real evidence exists for the product.
And why is it that news media has reported numerous times on the benefits of colloidal silver? After all it still competes with the pharmaceutical industry. For example this article in the Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114955908525572199.html
So if the benefits of colloidal silver could make it in to the mainstream media then so could your product if it were for real.
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This is a reply to # 1,641,154The one article that you boast as being in favor of "colloidal silver" actually starts out with paying a little lip service to silver, but as it proceeds the article raises questions and makes suggestions that it is not safe. Scores of letters have been written to major media in newspapers and TV about the health breakthrough of xxx- the fact that it, along with xxxx, renders vaccines obsolete. None of them have ever written or spoken about xxxx, positively or negatively. They were even told about the $1,000,000.00 reward in gold for superior safety and efficacy, and still no response. Your basic, photosensitive, metallic colloidal silver does not perform anywhere near as safely and effectively as xxx Your best silver hydrosols do not either.
Real evidence exists for the product, but cannot be seen by the blind. If you feel so strongly about the product as you do, then register for the $1M in gold challenge, or consider yourself without any standing to say anything about xxx
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This is a reply to # 1,641,400The one article that you boast as being in favor of "colloidal silver" actually starts out with paying a little lip service to silver, but as it proceeds the article raises questions and makes suggestions that it is not safe.
Everything has potential dangers. Do you think if the media says that there are dangers to statin drugs that they are saying statins do not work? Of course not. You are just trying to run circles around th evidence proving you wrong thinking this will just go away.
Let's forget silver for a second. Let's look at something else that would compete with the pharmaceutical industry. Type 2 diabetes accounts for 95% of diabetic cases. And it results from a closing of the insulin receptors. What closes the receptors? A lack of chromium. So the inexpensive supplement chromium is a major threat to the pharmaceutical industry. Yet it is not being hidden or censored. Why? Because unlike your product there is REAL science behind chromium. Examples:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1528348#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1535880#i
So claiming that your product has not been reported in the media because it competes with the pharmaceutical industry is a total cop out!!!! There are all sorts of natural products out there that compete with the pharmaceutical industry that can be found not only in the mainstream media but as we have seen even in the medical journals. Why do these products get reported? Because they have REAL science backing them. Not I made the claim so you must believe me type reporting as you have been presenting.
Scores of letters have been written to major media in newspapers and TV about the health breakthrough - the fact that it, along with x, renders vaccines obsolete. None of them have ever written or spoken about x, positively or negatively.
Maybe the problem was your made up science like how ozone, which has no hydrogen, reacts with water to form more water. Being that this is IMPOSSIBLE it puts the rest of your chemistry claims in to question. Or maybe they caught you in other lies like we have such as you were not advertising on a non-advertising board when I posted the quote showing you clearly did. Outright lying to us is doing NOTHING to help your credibility!!!
They were even told about the $1,000,000.00 reward in gold for superior safety and efficacy, and still no response.
They are still waiting for their payment from the Nigerian lottery, which has more credibility.
Your basic, photosensitive, metallic colloidal silver does not perform anywhere near as safely and effectively as x. Your best silver hydrosols do not either.
Real evidence exists for the product, but cannot be seen by the blind. If you feel so strongly about the product as you do, then register for the $1M in gold challenge, or consider yourself without any standing to say anything about x.
I already told you in an earlier post that I knew nothing about the challenge. Although it is easy enough for you to avoid paying out the claim. All you have to do is to ignore the evidence as you have been doing. If you deny the proof you will refuse to pay out so it would just be a waste of everyone's time. As I said earlier IF you had any real evidence then you would have presented it by now instead of arguing and insulting. So there is the proof that the evidence does not exist.
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I think "your product", Chromium, is really good stuff.
You'll have to contact the owner about the product associated with the TOPIC, if you learn how to use a search engine.
If you have anymore comments or questions, you will have to contact the owner or his company through the appropriate channels. Our conversations are through, as it is a waste of my time.
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You'll have to contact the owner about the product associated with the TOPIC,if you learn how to use a search engine.
I know how to use a search engine. In fact I just used it to look up the term idiotic fool and your name came up first in the search!!!
If you have anymore comments or questions, you will have to contact the owner or his company through the appropriate channels. Our conversations are through, as it is a waste of my time.
How can it be a waste of your time? After all look how much real science you have learned from posting here. And you learned that the product you are pushing is bogus garbage. So you have learned so much, and learning is never a waste of time.
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- Re: The Ultimate Silver Ozone Water ... Hveragerthi
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Thanks for the comments, but you are in a chemistry "box" that you cannot see out of. The technology used in xxx is not confined to your "box". As long as you remain in that "box", there is nothing that I can say to convince you of the errors in your comments.
I see, so your product has nothing to do with real science. It is magic!!!!!! Ooohhhh I am impressed
The size of the particle in xxx is the size of 3 Oxygen atoms COVALENTLY BONDED to 1 atom of Silver, and the minute Hydrogen.
"Minute hydrogen"?!!!! What, you are using your magic to shrink hydrogen atoms now? Gee, they should have given the Nobel Prize to you and not Warburg.
OK, so before we go any further let's make this clear. It is silver, three oxygen atoms and at least one "minute" hydrogen atom supposedly. So we would have Ag2O3H. This will be important in explaining another of your errors below.
It is stablized. It is non-photosensitive!
I never said anything about photosensitivity.
Its provided in clear bottles and does not break down in water.
I never said anything about it breaking down in water either. You really need to stop listening to those voices!!!
This is the most advanced technology and backed by a $1,000,000 reward, in gold, for superior safety and efficacy. You are welcome to take the challenge, but if you fail you owe the owner a whopping $1M in gold.
I don't know anything about this challenge. But if the developer really had a million in real gold they would not be here trying to con people with bogus science.
"Larger than colloidal silver" you say? What size is colloidal silver? Obviously it varies in size, and that makes your statement erroneous.
As I said the atoms in the molecule would come in to play with your erroneous statement. In order for silver to be a true colloid is has to be broken down in to small enough particles to remain in suspension. So let's look at sizes though based on atomic structure to make it easy. Silver is Ag, or one atom of silver. As you pointed out your product has two silver atoms, 3 oxygen atoms and at least one hydrogen atom. Each attached atom adds size. So the two particles of silver alone in your product is already twice as big as a silver atom in colloidal silver. Then you have at least 4 other atoms on top of that. I suppose you also think that aluminum oxide (Al2O3) is also smaller than elemental aluminum.
Your biggest error is taking the silver oxide ASSUMPTION and running with it as if it is factual in describing anything to do with xxx. You make several erroneous assumptions and build a strawman full of hype that you fabricate yourself.
LOL!!! Typical of cons. When confronted with evidence proving their claims are bogus they come up with very vague insults instead of evidence to the contrary since it does not exist. If people are telling the truth and really believe in their product they will fight to the end by providing EVIDENCE to their claims. Not just their say so, but real evidence such as a lab analysis proving the claims.
Retired government officials, one of which has endoresed it as the best silver product they have ever tested in the world, and who does not make such claims without validating it with the best research methods available knows what he is endorsing.
OK, so let's see the evidence of this. What is this person's name, what part of the government did he work for, what are his qualifications as a scientist and where can we find this endorsement to make sure it really exists? You can claim whatever as you have been doing and just expect us to accept it on your word. But that is not the way things work in the real world. Especially when you are looking for investors or buyers. Do you tell them to just take your word for all this as well? Or do you have some real lab results or something as evidence to your claims.
Twisting the Warburg quote earns you no credibility either,
I did not twist anything Warburg said. If you ever read the speech he gave on his ACTUAL research like I have then you would have known that.
and neither does you comparison of the hyperbaric oxygen therapy, as their is no comparison to what is going on in the cell with the xxx particle.
I find it ironic that you use such big words in your initial presentation but you clearly lack reading skills. Did your mommy write your presentation for you or something. First you implied that I said that your product was photosensitive and broke down in water. I never said any of these. Now you said I am comparing hyperbaric oxygen therapy to a quack product. Why don't you have your mommy read to you what I wrote then have her explain it to you. In fact here is the section for her to read to you:
“Pathogens, bacteria and fungi cannot live in a highly oxygenated body. The hundreds of different diseases named by allopathy (whether viral, bacterial, communicable, autoimmune or degenerative) are but symptoms of one underlying cause. That cause is hypoxia, or oxygen starvation at the cellular level, leading to internal toxicity." Two-time Nobel Prize Winner, Dr. Otto Warburg M.D., PH.D.
This is not true by any means. If it were true we could cure at least 95% of diseases with hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which supersaturates the body's tissues with oxygen.
So where in this statement do I even make the slightest mention of your product? That's right, I made NO mention of it. I was showing that the claim you said Warburg made was wrong. Again hyperbaric supersaturates the body with oxygen. So if no pathogen can live in the presence of high oxygen then we would have eliminated nearly all diseases. For that matter we could cure things like MS and cancers simply by going scuba diving, which also forces more oxygen in to the tissues. So when was the last time you saw someone cured of an infectious disease by simply scuba diving? If people are not being cured this way then this proves my point that the Warburg claim is bogus.
Is that the best you've got? If so, then no sense in wasting time explaining it to you. Best of luck, though, on getting up to speed with the technical aspects of the subject matter.
In this case technical=peudoscientific hogwash, which is why you keep coming back with insults instead of evidence.
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Provide your name, address and phone number and a good time to reach you and I'll have the owner contact you and provide the answers to your questions. As it is now, your demeanor is that of a person determined to twist everything stated and make libelous statements in a poor attempt to disparage the product and the science behind it. Your behaviour is typical of a person that has an agenda and a vendetta against another person who is only doint their best to share information about a product that has saved many lives. $50,000 worth of the product was donated to Africa, and they appreciate the outstanding results, and people like you will never change that or any other similar instances elsewhere around the globe. You have no standing to speak against the product and I will not provide any links here that may appear to be advertising. Use google or another search engine and do your homework.
Let it be noted for the record that I see your attempts to prod me into making advertising claims about the product and move away from the science behind it. The tactic is well known to those of us who see through your game.
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I will not provide any links here that may appear to be advertising.
But that is exactly what you did in your original post, before the links were removed by a moderator. If not for doing that, along with trying to denigrate all other silver products and then making claims that your product was outside the "box" of science, your post might have received a different response.
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I've already explained my cut and paste error that was deemed as advertising to the other person nipping at my heels. Its time to move past it and talk about the science and facts, not hound me with nonsense. I never "denigrated" other silver products, never even named one other product. I noted the outstanding superiority, providing scientific explanation, of the xxx over others. No need to get offended about it and take it personal. You and your double-teaming friend are the ones getting personal. I would ignore you both but I will make the time to explain my actions so that it will not appear that I am not rejecting your comments and acquiesing in your nonsense.
To clarify the "box", it is the box that contains a limited scientific understanding that certain of you persist in remaining in so that you do not grasp the science that I presented here. It appears that you have no interest in the science or in going your homework to learn more, and that speaks for itself. Own it.
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To clarify the "box", it is the box that contains a limited scientific understanding that certain of you persist in remaining in so that you do not grasp the science that I presented here. It appears that you have no interest in the science or in going your homework to learn more, and that speaks for itself. Own it.
You have yet to supply any real scientific evidence. Same reason that the mainstream media is likely ignoring you. You just present a lot of pseudoscientific hogwash and insult anyone who laughs at the garbage you presented. So people should take you seriously why?
As I keep pointing out IF you had any real evidence you would have presented it by now. Think about how many posts you have done since your original. They are full of insults or nothing material. Must have taken you a lot of time to type up these long posts though. With all the energy you put in to posting those posts you could have supplied a ton of evidence if it existed.- Re: The Ultimate Silver Ozone Water ... #130022
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I told you that you wouldn't get it. You can't even use a search engine to find lots of information about the TOPIC. You are correct, it is a waste of time to reply to you and the other person that lacks the skills in using a search engine.
The original post is full of scientific information - and you are still missing it. It is hopeless for you, and I cannot do anything to help you. You have to do your own homework.
- Re: The Ultimate Silver Ozone Water ... Hveragerthi
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I told you that you wouldn't get it. You can't even use a search engine to find lots of information about the TOPIC. You are correct, it is a waste of time to reply to you and the other person that lacks the skills in using a search engine.
The original post is full of scientific information - and you are still missing it. It is hopeless for you, and I cannot do anything to help you.You have to do your own homework.
The fact that you keep responding with insults instead of REAL scientific evidence just proves the product is nothing more than quackery in my opinion.
Your original post was nothing but pseudoscientific hype. And your posts went downhill from there. Just because you use a bunch of scientific words that you obviously don't understand does not make the claims scientific nor accurate.
By the way your posts and the responses do show up in the search engines. So you are the best advertisement so far for people to stay away from this crap
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As said repeatedly, the link in the first post was accidently left in and removed, but you take liberties to place add links in this thread - your barking up the wrong tree, as usual...LOL.
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- Re: The Ultimate Silver Ozone Water ... Hveragerthi
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Let it be noted for the record that I see your attempts to prod me into making advertising claims about the product and move away from the science behind it. The tactic is well known to those of us who see through your game.
LOL!!! Showing existing research is not making an advertising claim. And by the way statements are not libelous unless they are known to be false. So I see your ignorance of law is right on par with your ignorance of chemistry.
OK, so you claim $50,000 worth of product supposedly donated to Africa. There must be some type of article on this. After all if it was helping people in Africa the people there should be so happy for the assistance that it would be all over their papers. So where are the articles? Where is the proof of the donation? Where is the proof that it saved any lives of anything over there?
You can make unsubstantiated claims all day long. For example you can claim that your neighbor is a purple alien from the planet Vesuvius. Would this make your claim true? Of course not. Just like all those claims we hear that we won some lottery we never entered are not true. That is what makes claims like you won the Nigerian lottery a con. And if you want to convince me or anyone else here that you are not conning people then you will provide some REAL evidence and not empty claims and insults. The more you dance around this fact the more it appears to me that the product is a scam.
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