respect what you've said but I'm not going to take much notice to this.

If all stones are "hardened oil and lemon/grapefruit juice" then how can that explain why some people DON'T see stones the next morning? Everyone takes the oil so why does everyone NOT ALWAYS get stones? Also, I know for a fact that taking my liver herbs (GCG, Chinese Bitters, Chanca Piedra) has gotten stones out when before I couldn't get out stones. LIVER herbs got out liver stones . No liver herbs resulted in no liver stones . Also, some also puke up all the olive oil but get loads of stones still. How can one get "hardened olive oil stones" out if no olive oil is in the system? Plus, just reading the testomonies alone with many illnesses cured with Liver Flushing should be enough proof in itself that it can't just be hardened olive oil to give these wonderful results.
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Then don't take notice ::shrug:: *I* am simply posting *my* experience. *I* have learned the hard way through alot of suffering, time, and money that the green "stones" was not stones. At least for *ME*. I never ever put a general "These are not stones" for ANYONE ELSE on the forum.
If *YOU* want to believe that what you are passing is stones then that is your business, not mine. I have invested so much time and money into this gallstone ordeal of mine long enough to learn that good herbs to support the liver, alot of water, and gold coin grass is a strong regimen of crushing and passing them without punishing the body by undergoing these Liver Flushes that can be stressing and taxing on the liver. I'm going by what *MY* naturopathic doctor has advised *ME* and since I stopped the flushing I'm regaining my strength and health. Apparently for *ME* it wasn't the right thing.
Any time someone posts an experience that opposes success with flushes they get slapped down. And that's just WRONG to people out there looking for genuine advice and help. Everyone's experiences are different.

Hanna, Do you still get green stones out when you flush? If not, how many flushes in a row have you done without any stones?

You are right,

They say it is not a gallstone but don't say what it is.

I did many times flash with safflower oil, which has no color, and still passed dark green stuff.

Hi NoLongerHurting,

If you read the Liver Flush Documenting Health Effects forum, you'll notice that some lab reports that come back do confirm that the stones are indeed gallstones, whereas others confirm that the stones are not gallstones. The TAN ones come back as being gallstones. And the green ones don't, since they are, as Hanna said, just cholesterol and bile. The tan stones come from the gallbladder, so it makes sense that the lab reports would confirm that they are gallstones. The green ones come from the liver, so it makes sense that they are NOT comfirmed as being gallstones.
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Oh, I have read everything. I have had Gallstones long enough to read everything from one end of the universe to the other to avoid a cholestectomy. I never had TAN stones. And I had more than ONE lab report tell me there was absolutely no stones in the specimens I provided to them. I'm pretty darn sure that 3 doctors using 3 different labs are not going to lie to me. I went for 3 opinions to be certain. The black chips/with white shards WAS tested and WAS dx'd as being pieces of gallstones. I attribute that to taking regular regimen of GCG with water. I was easily passing those everyday on that without even flushing.
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Your naturopath isn't correct in saying that the stones are olive oil. If he/she knew more about it - (like - hung around on Curezone long enough?) then he/she wouldn't have made that statement. Just cuz someone works in the alternative health field doesn't mean they know everything. (ie. take what you need, and leave the rest).

Best to you,
Lisa

P.S. Next time you send a stone to the lab, make sure its a tan stone! That way you'll get the lab report that you expect.

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Thanks, but I do believe my naturopathic doctor is correct in that the green stones was oo and juice. I refuse to argue that. Her lab tested it, and the results came back that it was not stones. We left it to sit out at a room temperature room and it melted. The consistency was that of OIL. There wasn't even chaff in it. I have done my own tests on these and they melt into OIL. I'm not buying that these are stones or anything from my liver. Call it my intuition, because I am a strong believer in following intuition regarding my body. My ND also said flushing way too often is stressful on the liver.... and I DO believe that because I was sick as a dog from flushing too much. I was told one to three flushes yearly is all that is needed a year, along with good herbs to support the liver. To each their own... I am simply posting *my* experience because this is *my* experience. And because mine is different, it does not make it wrong.
Good luck.

There are some of us that don't use the Clark method and still get stones.
I have used a coffee enema and gotten out stones.
I have used bacon, yes real pork bacon, and gotten out stones.
I have used eggnog and gotten out stones.

I puked up the oo and lemon juice the first time I used it and have never used it since. I have been flushing for 2 years and still get stones. All colors. All sizes. All shapes.

Try it yourself and then take the stones to them and tell them you used lemon juice and oo and see if they say the same thing.

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I won't abuse my body with pork or bacon. I'm vegetarian. I'm not out to do anymore "experiments" with my liver like I did to get out more stones so I could get labs to test them. My doctor told me to let my liver rest because I was abusing it and getting very very ill.

i am sorry for being so ignorant, this is my first time on this forum. Just wondering what is oo?
Thanks,
Natalie

If you can elaborate on this method explaining in details the procedure that you have gone through may be others may be able to use or try it.

I don't think that really proves anything. As our daily diet shows, we eat a huge range of foods of all different colours than generally come out more or less the same colour i.e. brown.

I'm not discrediting the Liver Flush but those lumps are just faeces made up of oil... any kind of oil will come out in the same colour, just as eating different coloured solid food comes out brown. That's just what food/oil looks like after your body has processed it.

As a previous sufferer of Irritable Bowel Syndrome, I know that when my digestive system is out of kilter I get green coloured stools. This is because my diet wasn't balanced... the green stools from the flush are just a result of not eating any fibre or other substances, just the oil.

I believe the Liver Flushes cleanse the system, but the stuff that comes out aren't stones as people would like to believe them to be. This doesn't matter though, as long as it works for people, that's great!

Moderator I find it strange that this message gets a RATING plus recommended for the newsletter while we have so many questions about the truth of this story.
How do we know that this is not a troll. I think it was rated too soon. These discussions are usually for the debate forum but not for a rating on a supportive liverflush forum.

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hanna I find this charge absolutely upsetting..... my former name on this forum was "PainISMyLife" and I changed it to No longer hurting because the pain ended.
I do believe you must recall me when I was helping people find GCG.

Totally agreed. If there are no specifics forget about it.
Lots of south european salads have lots of OO (Olive-Oil) and lemon in it and nobody EVER is expelling green stones 8 hours later. Chemically impossible because it also would need much more heat then we produce inside our bodys. Hence IMPOSSIBLE.

Beside, I am flushing for a long time and I am looking 15 years younger then my true age and FEEL 20 years younger. What is true for me is true for me. Everybody has to find his own truth what works and doesn't work for them. That includes taking responsibility for once own health.

Warm regards,
Marco