oleander "soup" overdose 
dvernon
14 y
4,888
Is it possible to overdose on Oleander soup?
I was making my first batch "soup" and got excited about it right after the straining and filtering stage and drank about 1/3 cup. I actually thought I was going to die!
I kept telling myself that it's impossible to overdose, and have read others' posts about drinking it, so I tried to calm myself down.
My Oleander soup might have been stronger, too. I used about 3 lbs. (as much as could be stuffed into a 24 qt. pot).
I got "tunnel vision", strong deja-vu, hot and cold flashes, double-vision, and dizziness, with vomiting for about 2-1/2 to 3 hours.
Finally, with my stomach in a knot from "dry-heaving", I started to feel better...and better...and better...and better! I feel really good, now. Better than before. I had aches before that I think were from the metastasized prostate cancer in my bones and I think it's getting better already.
I'll try working up from a very small dose tomorrow, like I should have.
Back to my original question, "Is it possible to overdose on Oleander soup?"
- Of course you can. What ever were y... Dquixote1217
14 y
3,757
R
This is a reply to # 1,734,785
Of course you can overdose on oleander extract - especially if you take 5 to 6 times the maximum dose like you did. You can overdose on just about anything - too much water can be fatal for example. However, when you are dealing with a substance which contains cardiac glycosides you should be extra careful to not exceed recommended amounts.
Oleander cross assays with digoxin/digitalis due to the cardiac glycoside content. The amount of cardiac glycosides in oleander extract is but a small fraction of the amount in a typical dose of digoxin, but what you just took 5-6 tablespoons and far exceeded the maximum recommended amount. Five to six times the recommended amount of a great many things can get you into serious trouble.
Whatever in the world possessed you to drink 1/3 cup when the instructions clearly say that the maximum recommended amount is 1 tablespoon and that you should start with less than a teaspoon and work your way up gradually?
In addition, the instructions also clearly state to not stuff the raw oleander material into the pot, but rather to cut the leaves and small stems (and flowers if present) into lengths that will lay flat in the pot and then to lay the material into the pot up to two inches below the top. The ONLY packing you do is after you fill the pot with water and push the oleander material beneath the top of the water.
Maybe you should look at the directions again and note the section at the very top of the page which includes this:
If you are not prepared to follow the directions for handling, preparation and dosage, do not even think about attempting to make this remedy.
Good grief!
- Re: Of course you can. What ever we... #133264
14 y
3,435
This is a reply to # 1,734,797please Tony....
try to understand the desperation.
this isnt gradeschool.
no need to smack his knuckles with a ruler!- A rap on the knuckles is mild Dquixote1217
14 y
3,434
This is a reply to # 1,741,707
Having dealt with thousands of people with cancer or cancer concerns, I understand the desperation very well. However, I am not for one moment going to softplay someone ignoring warnings when dealing with a plant that is quite toxic in raw form and which, even when most of the cardiac glycosides and toxins have been removed, could still KILL YOU if you go way far overboard and take many multiples of what the listed dose is.
Another consideration: There are a great many items which can harm or kill you if you go that far overboard, but if someone plays the fool and harms themselves or others by not following directions and warnings when it comes to my articles and messages about oleander, who do you think folks are going to come after no matter how clear my instructions or how many warnings I give?
A rap on the knuckles is mild! I'm thinking steel toed boots . . .
Pages and Ads Suggested by Google
- Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild dvernon
14 y
3,298
MoreThis is a reply to # 1,741,719Tony,
Your point is well taken and I have learned my lesson. I had read another post about some guy making and drinking tea made from Oleander and what I had considered a "small" amount (1/3 or 1/4 cup) would be okay.
I have subsequently waited about a week and started on 1/4 teaspoon, three times a day, and have worked up to 1/2 teaspoon. I expect it to take a month to work up to the full tablespoon, three times a day.
Thanks for the advice (that I should have followed in the first place).
Don
More
- Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild ambler
14 y
3,567
This is a reply to # 1,742,060How are you doing now?
I strained and strained and strained mine and still have the loose stool at a teaspoon twice a day. I cannot go higher. Been on it since October 11th.
I boiled mine for the four hours and then over five hours intentionally to boil it down to take less vodka. I think it must be the strength that gives me the loose stool. I hope I am taking enough.
I dont have any locally available Oleander to make more stuff.- Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild Dquixote1217
13 y
3,508
This is a reply to # 1,744,313
How much volume did you end up with (before adding the vodka) compared to the original amount. When you do by the directions you end up with about 30%. Depending upon how far down you condensed it, you may be getting a pretty strong dose.
Many folks tolerate oleander very well, but some do have problems with the loose stools and/or diarrhea. One thing I have been wondering about lately is administering it rectally. I cannot think of any reasons not to do that, perhaps beginning with small doses (mixed with colloidal silver would be great) and working up, though I am going to check with some folks before recommending it. That might be a way to avoid stomach and bowel issues.
More
- Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild ambler
13 y
3,320
This is a reply to # 1,745,624That is what I have been wondering about. I used a four quart stainless steel pan and packed it full. Then I boiled it down to about an inch in the bottom of the pan.
I had both organic apple cider vinegar and distilled apple cider vinegar and diluted batches with both, but threw out those batches because I could not stand the taste.
Then I went to the store, I think it was Walmart in Tucson, and bought a bottle of vodka. That was when I started boiling the mixture further down after reading something about that on here. Even with the stronger mix, I can take the vodka batches but no more than 3/4 teaspoon twice a day. Otherwise things get out of control. - Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild ambler
13 y
3,486
This is a reply to # 1,745,624http://www.drozel.org/eng/diagnosis_prostate_KE.htm
CASE REPORT
Diagnosis: Prostate cancer with bone metastases
.... ......The patient was started on a daily regimen of 0.4-1 mL NOI, six times a week. He was recommended to adjust the dosage according to maximum fever experienced. He was also advised to receive three times 1cc of NOO (oral) daily.
http://www.unitconversion.org/volume/cubic-centimeters-to-teaspoons-metric-co...
1 cubic centimeter = 0.202884136 teaspoon (US)
1 milliliter = 1 cubic centimeter
1cc of NOO (Nerium Oleander Oral - taken by mouth?) equals .2 or 1/5 teaspoon.
1ml NOI (Nerium Oleander Injection? Where?) equals 1 cubic centimeter. Again .2 or 1/5 teaspoon.
So roughly 1/5 teaspoon oral and 1/5 teaspoon injection daily? Even less of the strong stuff.
Do you think the third lung would be a good substitute for the injections?
- Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild ambler
13 y
3,214
This is a reply to # 1,749,228Wups.
That would be roughly 1/5 teaspoon by mouth three times daily and 1/5 teaspoon injection once daily.
Would the injection go directly into the blood stream?
- Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild ambler
13 y
3,214
- Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild ambler
13 y
3,320
- Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild Dquixote1217
13 y
3,508
- Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild ambler
14 y
3,567
- Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild #133264
14 y
3,274
This is a reply to # 1,741,719sorry Tony,
I cant imagine that you wouldnt understand desperation.
You wouldnt do what you do if you didnt.
You're a bright shining beacon on curezone, hats off to you. :0)
- Re: A rap on the knuckles is mild dvernon
14 y
3,298
- A rap on the knuckles is mild Dquixote1217
14 y
3,434
- Re: Of course you can. What ever we... #133264
14 y
3,435
- dvernon where did you go? ambler
13 y
3,373
This is a reply to # 1,734,785I guess I must have boiled my soup down to about ten percent or less. I too OD'ed by tasting too much straight at first and was down for a couple of days. Somebody wrote they boiled theirs down farther in order to use less vodka on the 50/50 mix. Mine was pretty dark but still liquid. I took a nap during one batch and it boiled dry. I had to scrap it out of the pan. I am still around and have laid off the dosage for a couple weekss.
These last two days I have resumed with 1/2 teaspoon mornings and 1/2 teaspoon evenings which was as high as I could ever get with mine and today I almost had an accident and had to run to the bathroom. I'll try 1/4 teaspoon twice a day in a couple of days. I dunno. I had like a blood blister right in the middle of my forehead for years and I noticed awhile back that it has gone.
I traveled around Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico at the end of summer where I obtained my Oleander, but now I am back a thousand miles where it is cold.
So how are you doing?
- Of course you can. What ever were y... Dquixote1217
14 y
3,757
R
fetched in 0.4063 sec, IP =172.69.58.234, y=1