Herbals for Dysbiosis 
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Hi guys, i have been struggling with stomach problems for about a year. Right now i am trying to deal with dysbiosis due to a parasite + lots of Antibiotics and c. diff.
The genova tests results show this (on a scale of 1-4) N/G being no growth.
E. Coli --> N/G
Lactobacillus --> 4+
Potential Pathogens in excess
Citrobacter Freundii --> 4+
Enterobacter Cloacae --> 4+
I need a way to bring these down. We tried 1 trillion units of bacteria for 2 weeks via VSL + Bifido strains and Lactoflam to stop diarrhea but i had no luck.
Any reccomendations on herbals that are effective against these strains?
I see Olive Leaf extract is effective for E. Cloacae, but i dont think C. Fruendii.
My doc told me to try herbals for a bit, but if we cant control this i'm back to tetracycline (he is a naturopath but this kind of overgrowth may warrant Antibiotics or a stool transplant if herbals arent effective).
Please help.
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- Re: Herbals for Dysbiosis Jerome99
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,834,535If I were you I would flush any prescription for tetracycline I was given down the toilet. Broad-spectrum Antibiotics like that are the worst thing you could possibly take for your gut.
As for ways to knock back the pathogens, I highly recommend 1) Miracle-Mineral-Supplement (worked miracles for me) and 2) oregano oil and/or grapefruit seed extract. I honestly can't imagine Miracle-Mineral-Supplement in particular not being a major help.
I would also start taking a S. Boulardii supplement, which is a probiotic yeast that is famous for helping restore normal flora in people with bacterial infections like C. Diff. It is also excellent for diarrhea.
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- Re: Herbals for Dysbiosis TonyOrlando
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This is a reply to # 1,834,535I think the Olive leaf is worth a try. Also, the C. Freundii is susceptible to Oregano Oil, and other essential oils. It's somewhat irritating though so may be harsh on your system depending on how sensitive things are.
One product that I've never tried, but is highly recommended by Dr. Leo Galland (who deals with Dysbiosis a lot) is Gastromycin. It's a general, broad spectrum antimicrobial. If I remember correctly, you mentioned in an earlier post about potential ulceration in the ascending colon. If so, there is a complementary product called Mastica by the same company which can help heal ulcerations.
On a positive note, even though you tested zero for some categories, they may still be there but in numbers too small to show up. After Clindamycin and Doxycycline, it seemed that I had no bacteria, but months later when I finally got things in order, they turned out to be there after all.
If I were you, I would try boosting this species range. It helped me quite a bit. Dietary fiber, cellulose act as prebiotics for them:
http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Bacteroides
Also, I found a thread on C. Freundii and an Antibiotic that is working:
http://www.ibsgroup.org/forums/topic/60337-citrobacter-freundii/page__st__40
Information on essential oils and the microbes they treat:
http://books.google.com/books?id=qUaT093PZFAC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=c.+freundii...
T.- Re: Herbals for Dysbiosis lzqosoz94
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This is a reply to # 1,834,697Thanks Tony. I'm hesistant to add in Oregano. I've used Oreganol capsules before and it wasn't a problem (at the same time i used commercial Grapefruit-Seed-Extract from vitamin Shoppe which according to various studies, commercial extracts in general are likely to contain triclosan and benzethonium chloride which would have really not helped my condition).
Anyway my doc reccomended specific brands and as for dosages he said
Olive leaf extract (20% oleuropin) 500mg....2 caps 2x daily
Uva Ursi --> 500mg 2 caps 2x daily
Were using the uva ursi for C. freundii, Genova diagnostics claims that is effective for C. Freundii.
Do you think adding in oregano would make this triple combo to hard on my good flora?
I'm continuing with the VSL and others, roughly 700billion bacteria a day (2 hours seperate from these herbs) and the S. boullardi)- Re: Herbals for Dysbiosis TonyOrlando
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This is a reply to # 1,834,753Yes, it will be hard on your good flora as it's pretty unselective in what it kills. But the potency of herbals in general, becomes less as they become more diluted downstream in your system. Maybe start with the double herbal and see how it goes? It's still not clear to me how much good flora you have. I'm thinking those high Lacto numbers are from the probiotics? And I don't think your tests have mentioned Bacteroides yet, have they?
Bacteroides are Antibiotic resistant, so my guess is that you still have some, but that they are suppressed. Boosting them with dietary fiber might force the freundii and cloacae to give up some real estate, but as in the example of C. Diff, once a pathogenic biofilm gets established, they tend not to give up ground easily.
So you're going to have to do something equal to the task. Maybe scaling your attack to preserve your good flora is the most prudent. To give the herbal route the best chance, I would consider a strategy that includes enzymes like the ones in Klaire Labs Interfase, followed by the herbals, followed by fiber, both to mop up the dead guys and feed the bacteroides that I hope are there.
T.- Re: Herbals for Dysbiosis lzqosoz94
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This is a reply to # 1,834,825We made sure that the CDSA was done 2 weeks after any probiotic intake or nystatin.
It should be representative of the state of my gut without supplements.
I'll look into those enzymes and thanks for your input.- Re: Herbals for Dysbiosis gibby
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This is a product called Morinda Supreme. It's for gut dysbosis and other stuff. Read about it. I've used it. It seemed good. Dr. Jeff recommends it on his site.
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