Hello #145122,

A lot of the confusion comes from Jim Humbles insistence that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement forms chlorine dioxide.

A lot of tests have been done on chlorine dioxide, and as Dr. Hesselink points out, it is very unstable and reacts with a lot of different things. Many of these tests were done reviewing water treatment.

In water treatment you filter the water to get as much out as you can, then you disinfect it. The disinfection by product of chlorine dioxide is chlorite, and that is regulated. The goal is to use only as much chlorine dioxide as is needed to disinfect the water and that way the amount of chlorite is kept below the regulated amount.

Chlorine dioxide is a gas that can be dissolved in liquids. However, it doesn't change the PH of the liquid.

MMS involves adding an acid to sodium chlorite. This forms chlorous acid and is called acidified sodium chlorite. Chlorous acid has a small amount of chlorine dioxide in it. Chlorous acid is used in food processing, and the small amount of chlorine dioxide produced during activation is considered a waste product. The chlorous acid is doing the killing of the pathogens and not the chlorine dioxide. Chlorous acid has a higher oxidation reduction potential than chlorine dioxide, and can cause chemical burns and irritation.

Unfortunately, there are no studies involving people ingesting chlorous acid, so it is not known if a large dose is better than several small doses.

Chlorous acid and chlorine dioxide are oxidizers. Oxidizers work by having a concentration of them in contact with what you are trying to kill for a period of time long enough to achieve the kill.

Oxidizers work very well when the above conditions are met.

For example. If you have a cut on your arm that has become infected, it is very easy to spray the area with an oxidizer and leave it sit for a period long enough to kill off the infection. If the infection is in your mouth, the problem gets a little more difficult. The natural biofilm in your mouth will offer protection to the infection. Now you need to either increase the strength of the oxidizer or increase the amount of time the oxidizer is in contact with the infection. Sometimes you need to do both.

The further down the GI tract you go, the more difficult it is to get the oxidizer into contact with the pathogens.

Chlorine dioxide and chlorous acid work very well on hard surfaces. Chlorous acid works very well on meat carcasses, but too high a concentration breaks down the protein in the meat.

Inside the body there is a lot going on. Chlorous acid can eliminate flora, but that upsets the balance of the body. Too high a concentration will kill off blood cells. That may be helpful in the case of malaria, but is not something that will benefit the average person.

Everything that goes into the body becomes diluted with body fluids. John's method of using capsules avoids the dilution of the mouth, but the chlorous acid is suddenly released in the stomach. If your stomach has a good mucous lining it can possibly take this in stride, but if the mucous lining is a little weak the extra acid can burn through to the stomach wall causing problems. If you need more acid in your stomach it is far more effective to take a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar a few times during the day.

The main issue with oxidants is oxidative stress. With chlorite oxidative stress shows up as abnormalities in blood work, liver changes, kidney changes, and neural changes. Since these changes are beyond the abilities of most of us to determine, working with a medical professional can be beneficial in this monitoring process.

The body runs on oxidation, and has processes in place to limit the oxidative stress. For example hypochlorous acid (chlorine) is formed in the white blood cells after they have engulfed a pathogen and removed it from the blood stream. This is a lot different than flooding your body with hypochlorous acid, which would throw the body in to oxidative stress.

It appears that initially the body responds to stress by increasing the immune system response, but as the stress continues, the immune system tends to shut down. This may indicate that supplemental oxidizers may work better if used for a short term followed by a rest period to allow the body to recover.

The goal is to eliminate the pathogen at the source. To do this with these chemicals you need to identify what the pathogen is, and what the best method of delivery is to deliver the oxidant to the pathogen. Then you can determine the concentration needed to kill that particular pathogen. Finally you need to determine if the body can handle the concentration needed without doing further damage to the body. If not, find a different chemical to use.

Tom

Q. Wow, u are a big help!!!!!! :-)

Hello again and thanks for your kind words!

On a side note, I am sorry that its taking so long to respond to your message. But we've been so overwhelmed with work lately(12 hour days) that I just can't seem to find the time I need to keep up with my online activities.

Having said that, I think it's worth saying that when it comes to self-treatments and products like Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , that we really are at the mercy of a trial and error method. ie. what may work for one may not work for another based on (insert what host of reasons here).

Having said that, I'll do my best to answer all your questions later this evening. I suppose a best case scenario would be that you might find something useful in your own quest for wellness.

Sincerely,
JohnB

Q.Can u explain how u got Miracle-Mineral-Supplement in a capsule? Did u just put the drops in an empty capsule and chase with water?

A. Yes that is more or less how it is done.

What I'd do was fill 1/2 of a 00 capsule with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and the remainder with 1:1 citric acid . Then, I'd place the cap on(tightly), shook it for aprox 5 seconds and swallowed it with a glass of water. Under normal circumstances, I could feel the capsule burst in my stomach by the slight taste and chill that would occur shortly thereafter. FTR. a 00 capsule will hold aprox. 8 - 9 drops of activated Miracle-Mineral-Supplement .


Q. Why is the capsule form more potent? Is it because it goes directly to the stomach? Would this method be better for someone with candida and GI issues? (I also have metals, FMS/CFS, etc). So, if I do the capsule form, would I use half of my normal open-air dose?

A. My guess is that the capsule would deliver a much more powerful mixture of chlorine dioxide than with the open air mixture. Whereas the open air mixture would likely have already begun to react with the air and whatever liquids that were involved in the mix. I know from my own experience, that most natural fruit juices(including fruits) will effectively counteract the MMS reaction to some degree or another. And so my take is that, the capsule allows dioxide to enter the bloodstream in a much purer form.

On the issue of Candida and metals, I'm afraid I honestly don't know much on these topic of conditions myself. Though I have fought issues with yeast overgrowth over the years due to Antibiotics and a host of other issues. But none of those were remotely comparable to your own symptoms I'm afraid.


Q. If I understand it correctly, the 3x5 method is taking 5 drops of MMS 3x in a row for one dose of 15 drops? I currently just do 15 drops in a shot glass, then fill with a small amt of water, then chase with more water. It's such a NASTY taste and irritates me throat.

A. Yes that's correct. The smaller amounts create less effects from the taste and smell of MMS which really helps.
Having said that, I don't really like the idea of taking more MMS that I used too and so I'm contemplating trying the same process with capsules in hopes of getting around the sensitive stomach issue(ie. 4 drops per capsule x 2)


Q. Is the throat irritation a "good" sign (ie, die-off) or a bad sign (ie, the MMS is burning my tissue)?

A. I honestly don't know. Personally I always thought it was more of an acidic reaction(throat burning) than the MMS itself. Though I never really investigated matters further than that. However, I did notice that if you plug your nose while drinking MMS, that the throat irritation becomes more pronounced.


Q. When do u take MMS? How do u plan it around your food/supplements? What other supplements do u take?

A. TBH. I decided to take-on a herb only supplement approach about 1 year ago following some kidney problems. At which point, my doctor told me that taking supplements is often more harmful than good and that I'd be better pursuing dietary changes than trying to compensate with supplements. And so, I've been eating lots of fruit(antioxidants), raw veggies, garlic and carrot top tea to help keep my immune system and kidney's in check.

Having said that, I take my MMS three times per day in the following order;

1. 2 hours after breakfast(sometimes I hold off if I still feel full).

2. 3 hours after lunch.

3. 3 hours after supper.

To which I would add, to date, I do not have any issues with electrolytes, stools and/or other digestion related problems. However, I do take papaya enzymes 1/2 hour prior to each meal.


Q. If u've noticed no significant difference (especially after 2.5 years!) why do u continue to take it? Do u think it's helping at all???

A. My condition is quite unique(bone infection) in the sense that the infection will never go away without surgery. And... where I've been getting off MMS every 6 months to gauge the progression of my condition. And so, in this way, I've gotten the opportunity to see if/how effective the MMS is against my infection. To which I would add, my latest stop gap took 4 days for the pain and sickness to return. And I found it particularly difficult(longer) to feel better than any other time in the past. Therefore, our best guess is that the bone infection has progressed or spread over the years rather than improve. Either way, I am going under the knife in Dec. for a bone graft procedure in Montreal. Which will likely leave me disfigured... but, I'm afraid we can no longer be put it off. And so it is what it is I guess. :(


Q. Have u heard of anyone doing this 4x/d (15 drops each)? That would probably be the best way to do it, IMO. It would be more effective than the every-hour method, for u get a more potent dose that can be scheduled around ur food/supplements. Or perhaps doing it every 4 hrs?

A. I can't say that I have tbh. Though I'm really not up to speed with all of the MMS facts and protocols floating around the net either. Other than signing-up for the MMS newsletter about 1 year ago, I really don't know anything beyond that of my own experiences with regards to the product. However, if it were me... then I would likely opt to take as little MMS as possible with the most benefit rather than the other way around. So, I'd lean toward an incremental capsule(ie. 1 x 4 drop capsule x 2 w/15 laps) over that of a larger open air mixture myself. But that's just me and I certainly don't want to try and pretend that I'm some sort of authority on MMS or anything like that.


Q. I have not been feeling good today. I took 2 doses of 14 drops of MMS and DMSO and citric acid (each), but have finally hit my nausea, fatigue/tiredness point. My stomach feels like it got kicked several times by a donkey. And the thought of food makes me want to gag (especially meat). Is this a "good sign" (ie, die-off reaction), or is this a sign of oxidative stress?

I honestly don't know anything about oxidative stress myself, however, I do know that when I stop and start MMS, the beginning phases(3-4 days) always result in feeling very lethargic accompanied with no appetite. Which could very well be the body trying to cope with the effects of the MMS in the system. However, since it passes and soon afterward and I feel much better than I did in the beginning, I never payed it much attention. And so, I'm going to go out a limb here and say that this "could be" normal. Though again... I'd caution that you can never be to careful when it comes to self diagnosis and so you might be better off backing things off and going much slower to see if you can't reach your goals without impeding your energy levels and appetite. And of course... don't overlook the potential of taking less MMS in capsule and improving your chances of avoiding the energy loss effect in the process.

Q. What do u suggest I do? What protocol would be best for me? I switched to up to 15 drops of equal amounts of MMS:DMSO 3x/day, for supposedly this is best for fungal issues.

A. If it were me, I would put all my focus on getting the weight-up. Which would probably be something along the lines of, a good enzyme protocol, some magnesium oil to massages in the skin for detox while being careful not to O.D. and finally, I'd clear out all supplements and push through with an all natural diet of low fructose fruits and vegetables. I'd also add try and add fresh nuts and brown rice as a staple into my diet(for protein substance). And finally, I'd attack the candida where it hurts by introducing a daily regiment of raw garlic, grape seed extract(if you're not allergic), Oregon grape and olive leaf extract. However, I would slowly intensify my raw garlic intake day to day as a blood purifier and a front line Candida killer until I reached something along the lines of 2 cloves - 3 x per day(taken with brown rice to help pad the stomach).

Having said all that... I've read more times than none that killing off Candida to much to fast, can lead to some serious reproductions(electrolyte imbalance due to digestive impairment) and so... I guess it's worth mentioning that a very slow and careful approach would likely be the best approach for a person who is as severely affected as yourself. But... this is how I would do it, if it were me.

PS. I would keep taking the MMS along with these treatments(since I've already done it myself), However, I would only do so, if I concluded that the MMS were actually helping me. And if I understand correctly... apparently MMS could play a role in helping Candida sufferers with blood toxins and immune deficiencies. And if this were indeed the case, then I guess there is always the possibility that MMS could help someone like yourself in some way or another. THough I would definitely do a few ON and OFF trials to try and determine if you can warrant the treatment. Otherwise... I'd seriously consider using it.


Q. Would u suggest that MMS is the right treatment for me...or am I playing with fire, for this might be causing me more harm than good? If so, what should I do? I feel like I've tried just about everything over the years.

A. Given your condition, it really seems as though no one could rightly answer such a question. However, I would highly recommend you try everything in your power to 1. establish if the MMS can help in any way possible, and 2. never give-up trying!


Sincerely,
JohnB