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My question is pretty self explanatory. I'm trying alternative treatments to help with my depression.- Re: What type of cleanse should I do... propaul
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- Re: What type of cleanse should I do... mango2010
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- Re: What type of cleanse should I do... mango2010
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- Re: What type of cleanse should I do... Michael B
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This is a reply to # 1,928,185Hey, I think it should be colon, liver, and then parasite, for the reason that sometimes during a parasite cleanse you can kill off liver parasites as well. If you have biliary obstruction, then the dead liver parasites have no pathway of elimination and will make you sick. You don't want dying parasites stuck in your liver when the herxheimer reaction kicks in,
- Do not follow these people's advice ... shrimpy123
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,928,544Katie, I think the advice you are receiving is nonsense by people who know nothing, and who are still sick, and do not know what they have. Read my message below about "not trusting sick people"; //www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1928315#i;
people here do not know what they are talking about; Liver Cleansing does not kill parasites, and if you have parasite in liver, that is deadly, and it need to be detected by a doctor who does mucus scraping, which most doctors, even so-called parasite specialsist do not perform. I already told you that some of these people will tell you nonsense, and of course they mean well, but do not know what they are talking about; TRUST a person who has gotten better, and diagnosed properly.
Go see the doctor I recommended to you. Cleanses will not help; forget about this natural junk.....; you will never kill a parasite with that.
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- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... socalgrl
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"Go see the doctor I recommended to you. Cleanses will not help; forget about this natural junk.....; you will never kill a parasite with that."
Shrimpy123, I'm confused, then why are you here at CureZone in the first place? The reason most people come to CureZone is because they WANT a natural cure. For them, most mainstream doctors have done NOTHING to help and in fact have made their condition worse. I am glad you were helped by a doctor, congratulations. But to come here and tell people not to listen to advice others have given them on their journey to wellness is mind boggling.
To Katie66, listen to ProPaul, he is very smart. You may want to add a kidney cleanse during your colon cleanse. During this time slowly wean yourself off coffee or tea to help with any cleansing reactions. If you want to go further after the liver you can do a lymph cleanse.
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- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... shrimpy123
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This is a reply to # 1,928,662Shrimpy123, I'm confused, then why are you here at CureZone in the first place? The reason most people come to CureZone is because they WANT a natural cure."
Well, I came in despration, not because there was one of two people who posted their true cures. And I am trying to help people, as oppsoed recommend things that will not work. Of course you are free to do whatever you want, but one has to be resposible when one says that this or that cleanse can kill parasites in the liver, which is nonsense. It will not kill parasites. And they will not go away with natural cures. If you have parasites in the liver, they are E. Histolytica. Do some research and see how E. Histolytica is so dangerous. and kill you, if you mess around with natural stuff. It almost happened to me. So better trust someone who got better....- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... judyj01
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This is a reply to # 1,928,677I agree with Michael. The traditional format if you are somewhat healthy is
-colon
-kidneys
-parasites
-liver
-blood/lymph
However, if your badly congested, can't tolerate fatty foods, intolerant to alcohol, allergies, food sensitivities , etc, your liver is probably pretty congested and can't tolerate killing mass parasites at this time. The right course for me is cleansing the kidneys/liver for a few months and in between start more agressively start adressing parasites. Also helpful is to address emotions/energetic issues (maybe you have done this already). I don't know why someone would post on here about how only 1 thing will help everybody dealing with these problems. Remember, there is more than 1 road to Rome. It's up to us to figure out what road will take us there.- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... shrimpy123
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This is a reply to # 1,928,681You need to read what I wrote and understand that I am saying if you think you have "parasites" and have the symptoms I did, you should suspect what I had....
I have sent several people on this forum --which is the parasite forum I am on--to the wonder doctor who found in them E. Histolytica. Missed by so many labs and stool tests done by iugnorant doctors. They were not helped by natural things, and have been deadly illl for years; what do you say to these people who have had no help from anthing else.
Katie;s message is posted on the "parasite" forum, and this grants that she suspects that she has a parasite. If so, you can bet your bottom dollar that you will not get rid of parasites by doing natural things. - Re: Do not follow these people's adv... shrimpy123
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This is a reply to # 1,928,681The right course for me is cleansing the kidneys/liver for a few months and in between start more agressively start adressing parasites. Also helpful is to address emotions/energetic issues (maybe you have done this already)"
This is such an irresponsible thing to say; so are you saying that this all in the head? While the patient suffers. Do you know that Pharama cmpnies in the last few decades precisely support this kind of link between brain and the gut, while ignoring the real killers that attach the body and escape detection. Do you know how many doctors people who are dying of parasites like E. Hitolytica that all their problems are Mental and IBS related, while they are bleeding, and their organs are attacked, and literally eaten alive?
Metaphors are not helpful when it comes to treating a disease! Diagnosis is. Follow this very ancent greek tradition! "every disease begins in the Gut"!- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... TropicalBoy
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This is a reply to # 1,928,693I have to support Shrimpy here
I got very ill, first I went to a long series of incompetent doctors (yes even most infection specialists are incompentet on some very important parasites, they do not read the big books or do not follow what they say)
as nop doctor could find out I tried the natural therapies, I tried long series of herbs known to cure paraistes, I tried long series of diets....some of it gave minor improvements...
of course when a paraiste attack your organs (some directly like bowel, and some indirectly by all toxines they create directly or indirectly) then body will get sensitive to almost anything....many natural therapist come up with methods, diets etc that helps some, because they treat symtpoms.....yes and a few herbs can take out some specific parasites....but if you have any of the many paraites that herbs not can take out you are stuck....and herbs can be with very bad side effcts
because it is natural do not mean it is not dangerous....the most dedly poisons u find in nature....all parasites are natural, some of them described in several thousand year old books
To get health back one need right diangosis and right medicine....
I am so blessed I finally found a doctor doing what the books told one actually should do. I have read all the biggest books on infection medicine...and I know when a doctor do what the books says one must do and when thy just go half way....yes most doctors want to help...but without truly interested in what they do they simply do not have the knowledge..
out of the very very many infection specilaists I went to only 1 did what the books told one had to do to rule out a very important parasite that can be deadly in long run if not treated....he has written very good books himself and is a world leading expert in the field...
many get lost in natural remedies and diets, natural therapists, and with their many incompentend doctors, that yes help a little for the symptoms....but if one has the parasite I had then one better get a doctor diangosing it... if not it is likely to kill u in the end.
Some symptom medicines and diets can be more harmful than beneficial even if they help short term. For example assume a organ is damage so you got sensitive to a special type of food....do this mean you not need this type of food? no may be it is ieven what your body need, but it can not be taken up...you need to fix the problem, not polish the symptom..
Many reasons can cause diseases....to rule out paraistes one need to see a doctor that know how to diangose them, all the big books agree, and the very best doctors agree with them.....most doctors have no clue
- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... shrimpy123
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This is a reply to # 1,928,698Exactly man, some of these the natural herapies are a billion dollar industry making people sick, and not HEaling them. Bogus parasite clenases are absolutely unhelpful. There a culture where people eat all kinds of natural things, herbs daily, and still they become infected with deadly parasites like E. Histolytica and die. No herb, no cleansing, no diet, no zapper will kill this.
- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... shrimpy123
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- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... david1o1
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This is a reply to # 1,928,693[quote]
Do you know how many doctors people who are dying of parasites like E. Hitolytica that all their problems are Mental and IBS related, while they are bleeding, and their organs are attacked, and literally eaten alive?
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I have said this many times...
There are people who think that to cleanse the body can kill parasites when it has been shown that it is not true.
Why do you think that wild animals are infected by parasites ?
They follow primitive living habits and they are infected...
Moreover there is no point trying to cleanse the colon, the liver, the kidneys if the source of the pollution of the blood is done by the substances and the waste secreted by parasites... And also by the irritations and cuts that they can make to the tissues which probably produces a lack of tightness of certain tissues against certain elements.- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... TropicalBoy
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This is a reply to # 1,928,969For example Histolytica is described in the big best books to very often actually give lots of micro perforation of bowel wall...the same books says this will cause things inside bowel to leak into other parts of body...it is quite amazing how body for years and years even can withstand this if not leak too big...of course person will feel horrible
Body is amazing at cleaing out anything it do not want...but in such leakege the body has to work hard hard hard....
of course no matter type of cleansing in such case will be just crap....In best case it will cause a little very short term improvement because many cleanses causes diharea and just quickly flush out all in bowel...then just less material that can leak thorugh micro damage in micro wall...but so called cleanisng in such cases is more likely to do harm than good...and it will not remove the cause.
- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... TropicalBoy
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- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... Mansonella Perstans
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This is a reply to # 1,928,693I agree. I'm waiting to get into the Clinic at Harborview, the Travelers and Tropical Infectious Disease....my eyes are going, lymph swollen badly...I don't have time. My organs are affected.
I have Mansonella perstans and my symptoms are severe. Anyone can come into my home and take a look at me. Look at my skin, the lesions, swollen abdomen, and the weight loss...
I couldn't stand having this crawling under my skin, and the deterioration I see every day for ANY length of time. Keeping anyone on hold like this is sadistic and I find ignorance a poor excuse on the part of the medical community.
Yes, I'm trying to eat well, stay calm, take vitamins, just the basic, drink tea...but I don't have the money to shell out for ANY products on top of the bills I will have to pay for just the dumb ass diagnostics.
I'm fit to be tied I'm so angry about this situation. And good thing I bought a damn microscope to look myself. I'm not paying them ONE DIME that won't help treat exactly what I have....
- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... TropicalBoy
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- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... Michael B
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This is a reply to # 1,928,681Thank you, Judy. You are a voice of reason amongst a murky cesspool of ignorance.
- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... shrimpy123
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- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... judyj01
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- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... TropicalBoy
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This is a reply to # 1,928,662"they WANT a natural cure. For them, most mainstream doctors have done NOTHING to help and in fact have made their condition worse."
yes you are partly right partly wrong...
Yes most doctors are incompenten on some very important parasistes, both on diangosis and treamtnet.
This do not mean the best medicial Science is incompetent. I am not talking about some new fancy break through. I am talkign about test methods well known in books for at least 30 to 40 years...ignored by almost every doctor
I went to many many many incompetent (but among the better ones actually) doctors...well they are competent in many things, but some paraites they have no clue about....not how to test for etc...
I then tried many natural therapies, some of them helped a little, polished the sympotms...
I luckily have all the big books on infction medicine and have studied them now and then for more than 25 years (actually I think 27 years) .....I figured out even many so caled well respected infection specialists (and tropical medicine expert) simply did not do what the big books said they had to do to rule out some important parasites...
finally I got to a tropical medicine specialists that actually did what the books says one need to do....it was not all in my mind, it was not syndrom this or that...it was a deadly parasite, if not diagnosed and treated with special Antibiotics I would just have faded away.... now I have my health back
much of these natural remedies are developed based on the same mistake....many many people frustrated because their doctors did not help them, often make them worse...they switched to natural remedies...found out they were sentive to this and that, do this and that... some of these paraites will make u sensitive to lots of stuff, because body overloaded with work....to treat the symptoms will not cure person from it....
it is unlikely one can get cured by blind natural treatment if not knowing exact cause...but yes some parasites can be eliminated by some herbs, these herbs we do not know much about side effects, long term effects etc...and for many parasites they will simply not work
Right diangosis, right medicine will save people so enormous amount of time and suffering....
luckily there are a few good medical doctors out there....the books are very very good...the books alone will not help that much, because it is not enough to read them, the test methods descriebed must be performed....and very very few doctors follow the books....but yes some do
- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... shrimpy123
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This is a reply to # 1,928,712Exactly man, crooked doctors do not do their own research, because they it is beyond their "pay time"--but the Science is there, which they criminally ignore. As you sucggest, mucus scraping is a practice that the best of the parasitologists did, but now every body becoming a gastro specialists, it has been abandoned, relying on flawed stool tests and their "golden blood tests"; as result, people who are deadly ill are left to die, assuming that something is wrong with their mind!
This is why we need to demand clinical minds, not doctors who have become psychologists! They are criminals agaist scinece. - Re: Do not follow these people's adv... david1o1
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This is a reply to # 1,928,712[quote]
I luckily have all the big books on infction medicine and have studied them now and then for more than 25 years (actually I think 27 years)
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Can you recommend books with useful knowledge about the parasites and the treatments ?
Thanks,- Re: Do not follow these people's adv... TropicalBoy
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This is a reply to # 1,928,972"Can you recommend books with useful knowledge about the parasites and the treatments ?"
Naturally, but
1. Do not treat based on the books yoursefl without diagnosis with doctor following books....The books are mainly helpefull to check out if your doctor know what he do or not...
2. It is very easy when first reading one or two of these books to just look to match symptoms, unfortunately if you carefully read many of the books you will find many many infections have very overlapping symptoms, many books just mention the most severe late stage symptoms...so the right approach is extensive testing by doctor that know how to test. Not to diagnose yoursfl based on a book, this no one can do, only testing can say if it is this or that. Symptoms alone are not enough, many many have overlapping symptoms.
Here are good reference works
My favorite: now out of print but still availiable
http://www.amazon.com/Tropical-Medicine-Emerging-Infectious-Diseases/dp/07216...
This is very good, by one of the worlds best diagnostic doctors (mostly on how doctors need to do to diagnose)
http://www.amazon.com/Tropical-Medicine-Clinical-International-Humanitarian/d...
Also very good
http://www.amazon.com/Tropical-Infectious-Diseases-Principles-Pathogens/dp/07...
Most tropical disease experts read this (the book is good, but the two above better, but they all have pluses and minuses, best is to read all of them over and over and over again)
http://www.amazon.com/Mansons-Tropical-Diseases-Expert-Consult/dp/1416044701/...
and this is very good reference work to have
http://www.amazon.com/Bennetts-Principles-Practice-Infectious-Diseases/dp/044...
Again do not use this books to diagnose yourself...Use them to get converstaion with top doctors to find out what has actually been ruled out what is not ruled out...If book says test is false negative in 50% of cases and doctor used such test and said u not can have it based on test then show him book or go to other doctor....
If you carefully read the books and you understand what they say you will also undertand you need someone with right testing methods and right lab facility to diagnose, in other words it is not just to match symptoms, even if mathcin symptoms can help you exclude some parasites etc if you truly know the books inside out...further there is a long series of other books on how exactly the parasites looks like, but here even better is of course training with doctor that know the stuff....so in end you are dependent on doctors, but the books if you truly read them can clearly help you find out what doctors are good and who just talk nonsense....some general doctors claim they bascically can rule out infections on general infection status blood work, after reading any of these books you will know such claims are nonsense...So yes good to have in your tool box....all these books have pluses and minus, combined they have highest value....but yes it will take years of study to really get the info sink...but yes I would not live without them.....but again I will let them collect dust, hopefully for the rest of my life....but I never know if I will need them again- Expand 20 messages, 21 to 40 of 119 david1o1
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