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I hope you're enjoying the lovely summertime (if you're in the North).
Two months ago, I promised to update on Niacin / Chromium Picolinate.
//www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1923208
I've stabilized on about 350mg of Niacin every other night. When I take it I sleep well, lots of dreams, and wake up feeling good, although somewhat dopey. At 350 I flush but not too much. 450 let's say and I'd be "badly sunburnt". Less than 350 and I don't feel the effects. I only take it at night as it does knock one out to a degree.
* Key lesson: I sleep well on niacin, and wake up without am jitters. If I've had sugars or booze the night I may wake up with some jitters but they are greatly reduced. This is a huge win in itself and for other reasons of resting/healing/energy.
The chromium picolinate was really hard for me to figure out. For now, I've started taking it in the mornings and at lunch. About 75mcg each time. That means a bit more than a 1/3rd of a capsule with meals. It really does help, but if I take a bit too much I crash really bad for the day. When using it I definitely cannot do a true low carb diet as that would crash me too. (Not doses are in MICROGRAMS not milligrams)
Like I said it's been a struggle to figure out CP. I know I haven't mastered it yet, but it's very powerful and good. It really does boost up my energy a lot. I find it strange as others seem to be able to take between 200mcg (one capsule) and 1000 mcg (5). Even 2 or 3 might kill me I think by dropping my blood Sugar too critically low.
*Key lesson: Chromium seems really important for those of us with insulin resistance but "standard" routine isn't working for me.
Zinc in combo with Niacin and Chromium are what the body uses for putting energy from the blood into the cells. It's called Glucose Tolerance Factor. Chromium GTF is a brand name of supplement but generally it's used for the term. "Glucose Tolerance Factor (GTF) is synthesized in vivo from absorbed dietary chromium, and acts as a physiological enhancer of insulin activity, binding to insulin and potentiating its action about three-fold."
Learn more here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7005627
<-- article from 1980 : Wish I had known that years ago!
http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=Glucose+Tolerance+Factor&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as...
And, of course, those together *really* reduce cholesterol in a lot of folks. And as high cortisol folks we're likely to have high cholesterol too.
Bonus info:
Oh, with all the improved health I'm noticing effects of individual things a bit easier. I was mostly gluten free but would have stuff from time to time. Recently I've noticed when I do, my GI issues are cranked, my left side is *really* bloated and hard to breathe. I knew that stuff before, but I can now clearly tell that I get heart palps from it too (maybe left side bloating setting it off?). All of that happens in a few for a few hours. Now too I can clearly tell I get depressed for a day or two after (dose dependent).
*Key Lesson: Wheat has to go for me. Interesting that I could only note the direct effects after stabilizing my system and removing other reasons my body would spazz out into heart palps etc.
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I'm assuming that you are posting relative to your Type II diabetes - it doesn't really say that in your message.
The real proof of "improvement" is your a1c - a test for diabetics that shows how much glucose your body absorbed during the prior three months. What was your a1c at the beginning of your choice of supplements? What is it today? By letting us know that, then we can determine how beneficial your supplements are in relation to your Type II.
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This is a reply to # 1,945,355I didn't say I was Type II in my message as I'm not.
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This is a reply to # 1,945,361"I didn't say I was Type II in my message as I'm not.
Sorry that you don't find the information useful, others will. Enjoy the day."Then why was it cross posted in the Type II category?
I've used Niacin and Chromium supplements extensively for months at a time and have found no benefit whatsoever. Each person's experience is different. Each body is different.
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"The real proof of "improvement" is your a1c - a test for diabetics that shows how much glucose your body absorbed during the prior three months." <-- that's the only metric you want to use to track your diabetic health? Then that is the dumbest thing I've read on curezone. And considering there are a lot of controversial forums, that's saying something.
It's almost as dumb as the medical community's "high carb diet is good for diabetics" plan of a generation ago. Best practices change and generally are shared in patient communities before doctors latch onto them with vigor, and even then they can be wrong.
There are a lot of challenges around Diabetes, and blood Sugar management in general, including very serious challenges with cholesterol, inflammation and circulation issues. And Niacin/CP can sometimes dramatically help with those. But maybe you're right and folks should ignore trying to use their brains and experiment a little bit to see what helps them. They just resign themselves to poor health because you had no positive reaction to Niacin and CP.
Question: did you use the exact formula on the bottles every day for the test? Or did you experiment? Did you vigorously track other factors that might be in play on a daily basis, such as stress or other hormone fluctuations? If you didn't then your feedback is useful within those bounds. If you did why wouldn’t you share that instead of picking a fight by trolling?
Seriously, if you want to harm your fellow Diabetics continue trolling. If not, try to add value not bile. Or at least stay out of a potentially useful thread for others. Post again if you like, but I won’t be wasting more time with an angry troll.
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This is a reply to # 1,945,311Don't worry that one person "picked" on your post, to me to be hung up on tests results is beyond comprehension, I guess I'm "old" enough to remember simpler times when we didn't depend so much on such things but more on how we felt, and so did the good doctors.
In any case, I'm not diabetic either but as a hypoglycemic of many years who has had periods of IR I know I have to be careful so this is a good reminder for me to continue with my CP which I take very irregularly. Like you though, I've noticed sometimes it would make my sugar drop, so I think more people with diabetes should really try it.
I agree 100% with your last paragraph and I'm glad you mentioned this. Years ago, reading posts at the celiac.com forum I learned that when people stayed away from gluten and ate it again they'd react worse than before, which didn't seem to make sense to me at the time, and with me it seemed, at least in the beginning, that I was "getting away with it", then after a few weeks, even after I'd already stop, wham! All hell would break loose! Weeeelllll, now that I've experienced it myself, just like you have (same pain on the left side, etc.) I know better. And I'm even suspecting some of my foods may have hidden gluten because when I began having my "attacks" I'd been off most grains for several weeks but I was getting the colics big time. I think I'm going to have to look up one of those detailed lists of hidden gluten and start taking things more seriously, for example, I used to eat oatmeal every now and then (not too often because it often made me hungrier later) and rye crackers or bread because I had no overt symptoms. I just gave to a friend an almost full container of oats I had because I can live without them but I'm still hesitating to throw away some organic German style rye bread slices with nuts that are in my freezer (hate to throw away bread). I've been tempted to have it one more time to see what happens, but on the other hand, I don't want to mess up the little progress I've made in the last 11 days so even if it "hurts" I may end up tossing them in the trash...
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Hi Ways,
Thanks for the post. Sorry for the interuption there.
It's interesting and useful to hear you've had the some of the same situations with CP.
There are a lot of studies out there showing it's use in blood Sugar management, especially for Diabetics. But I imagine it'd be even more work for full fledged diabetics (not prediabetic like me), to manage. The blood Sugar crashes it caused a few times were scary.
The combo effect of CP with niacin is what I'm finding most potent. Not a tonne of studies on that but they do exist, and they are showing a synergistic relationship.
Interesting you had challenges on left side specifically from gluten. It is not something that is generally discussed and useful to hear that others have it too. If it's useful a friend of mine just found out she's celiac. She's been on paleo diet for a few years and somehow is still finding gluten in her diet.
Enjoy the day!
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Hehe, I confess I enjoyed your reply to the "a1c" fan, that's really the type of thinking that gets to me. I don't know about you but I often feel alone in the way I view health, not when I'm here for the most part, but in the real world and in other forums. Just like you said, I like to think for myself and experiment, oh mercy, I've been my own guinea pig plenty of times, which some think is dangerous but I think when a doctor prescribes some medication carelessly he/she is also taking a chance, so I'd rather do my experimenting with more natural stuff than with toxic drugs. Another thing I've noticed is that whenever I embrace some belief pertaining to an illness, its cure, or even an supplement, I'm usually going against the grain, then sometimes I've been fortunate enough to see many many years later that "the world" begins to see the light, it's like I can "see it", understand it, way before a lot of other people can, but in the meantime some times I've had to face a lot of opposition or criticism or at best being ignored for what I've believed so it's often a lonely road.
Sorry I got a little off tangent there. Back to CP, what exactly were your symptoms when your blood sugar went down? I now don't remember but I'm sure I'd stopped taking nit because I'd noticed I was feeling hypoglycemic again, for many years I was not bothered much by it anymore even though I hardly ever eat at regular hours at all.
Yeah, that pain on the left side had me puzzled until I read about it here, now I know somehow the colon gets really upset, but the thing was that I had stopped eating wheat weeks ago, so I had no idea what it was, but apparently it's part of adrenal issues too.
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I found that when I took 1000 mg of Niacinimde that my hair would fall out like you wouldn't believe! Scary. I then cut back to 500mg, and I'm ok. I was attributing it to, it doing something to my Thyroid, but surely cannot find an answer anywhere as to why..- Imbalance? ways_of_wisdom
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I can never forget what the late Adelle Davis wrote about taking any single B vitamin, especially long-term, she wrote it would cause an imbalance of the other ones so the whole complex (11 factors or more) should be taken as well, so it's a possibility such a high amount created a deficiency of several other B vitamins and that can cause hair loss. Dr. Atkins I believe also said something about taking any single vitamin only for short periods of time.
But that's one thought, after years of participating in a thyroid forum I noticed that a lot of women who took Synthroid had more hairloss. I myself had very minimal hair loss prior to being prescribed Synthroid many years ago (which could have really been progesterone lack) but it got more noticeable afterwards, it also raised my b/p, made me gain weight and did absolutely nothing for me, I'm one of the (majority of) women who responds better to a T4-T3 combo. But of course, if you had no hair loss until taking niacin, the weight falls on it as the culprit.
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This is a reply to # 1,946,761Yes, I do take all the B vitamins, not just B3, and also I take a full range of aminos as well, so I know it couldn't be that..
Interestingly, I finally got the results of my thyroid back yesterday, and it's really good.. was really surprised.. I suspect by intuition, it is the result of taking the B3, and perhaps, yes, in the beginning, it did create a temporary imbalance state, while going from ying to yang.- Re: Imbalance? #58606
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I believe that the Niacin created the same effect as the H202. They both affect the thyroid, and if the adrenals are weak, the adrenals will crash. So thus, my hair majorly falling out ...And I think that the problem I had with the Arginine/Orthinine created the same effect, as it also increases metabolism, which made my adrenals crash after some point. Great thing is that I recovered completely in 1-2 days, and suffered no lasting effects.
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This is a reply to # 1,945,311Glad to see someone else having issues with chromium. I'm a high cortisol, unstable / low blood Sugar person who struggles with anxiety and depression. Chromium sounds to be a good fit but makes me super tired and crazy hungry during the night and morning. I've only tried chromium piocl.. At around 500-800 mcgs a day. Switching to chromium GTF chromium with niacin at 100 mcg sa day. Anyone had these problems with chromium picolinate and not GTF chromium with niacin?
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