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Hi everybody,
After starting the herbs cleanse I»m feeling a lot of very nasty sensations on my gallbladder and liver.
I feel a lot of stings, stubbing, swirls almost all day but with this specific. but stings and stubbings are the most present. live they are moving up from the belly to the ribs on the right side.
in 10 minues after eating pain etc decrease a lot no movements, stings....but starts again in 45 minutes or so and the same when i»m taking the herbs all the shabang start again. its really nasty. i cant sleep i»m feeling attacked its like a physical wound internally . i»m taking a pill to sleep or so but doenst help so much.
My guess is they are hidding in the gallbladder and liver so the herbs wont hurt them. when i started the cleanse with herbs and reducing carbs - the pain in the gallblader and liver starts. if i'm eating carbs or even sugar - i feel my liver and GB very free.
Anybody had any idea how to get rid off? I cant do liver flush cause pancreatic insufficinecy - tried it not work.
would zapping help to reach there? what should i do quick? some said a battery of 9 volts...but how?
I»m putting a light version of castor oil pack and seems better but for 1-2 hours or so.
i've been taking wormwood, black walnut, goldenseal. maybe other herbs reach the liver and work sistemicly. I'm trying to think - 'ive read somebody took a tincture by putting it undertongue- shortway to the liver. or other person had an enema with some - and trhough some blood vessels from there reach quicly the liver. here some recommends to drink tea and stay on the right side.
many thanks
dave
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- Re: help! they entered the liver... sd2345
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,031,174It may be that they were there all along, and the herbs are just stirring them up so you now feel them in that area.
An infusion enema, with garlic water goes straight to the liver, I have had really good results with those.
Or your could add your herbs to the water. Which ever, you want to try to hold it for 10-15 min like a coffee enema. A follow up coffee enema later after the first enema has time to work can help purge them out.- Re: help! they entered the liver... dave505
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This is a reply to # 2,031,177Many thanks for quick answer sd,
I've never had a garlic enema or coffee just plain water.
Could you tell or maybe reffer to a link here on cz about? I dont want to exagerate with something now. i was thinking to try albendazole tomorrow but it will be like the 5th time - dont know if its still work.
would a castro oil pack help a la long?
you might be right about they were there before. i all the time felt a nausea in the liver. now i feel them stinging the belly button. they told me the ones i have - pinworms - could not enter the gallbladder liver. i might take some new ones? i hope not but the symptoms change since 1 month.
is it possible that the herb could not enter the liver or there are different ones now? i was thinking of a new Ascaris infection as latest month i ate some pork. usually i dont.
many thanks
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This is a reply to # 2,031,193The reason I suggested a garlic enema, is because I have experienced quick relief of liver movement, and evidence of it working in the stool. If I do them at night, I wake clear headed, and bloat is gone. Sometimes I don't retain for very long, I just run through a few times (I have a gallon bucket)
I understand your fear, it seems harsh, but it's really not, I'm just a little thing and have never had an issue.
You can do a search on curezone or google for information on preparing a garlic enema. I do mine differently. I use a garlic press, and press several cloves into a large bowl I can cover, I dig out the skins and all to get the most out of it. Then I heat water to below boiling so it does not cook the garlic, then fill the bowl and cover and let steep. I let mine steep all day, then strain the garlic water into the warm water and fill the bag.- Re: help! they entered the liver... daizymae
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This is a reply to # 2,031,197I've heard that superbitter herb centaury when done as a retention enema, same as coffee enema, is disliked by any parasites. You would have to follow the same instructions as for a coffee enema. You want the herb tea to stay at the bottom of the large intestine and not move too far up.- Re: help! they entered the liver... sd2345
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This is a reply to # 2,031,208Hey Daizymae, I never heard anyone else on this forum talk about centary besides me!
I used it with great result for roundworm last year. I didn't use it in an enema though, I used it in capsules, and tincture.
After I told of my results, a couple of others tried it and didn't have the same experience. The worms were falling out of me, but they did with garlic also, unlike others, proving we are all different :)
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This is a reply to # 2,031,214What is Centary SD?
I have a slug living behind my thyroid gland at the moment...
I nearly nearly vomitted it up last night after slugging down some OLE.
Any ideas for Ascaris in the throat?
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This is a reply to # 2,031,265Centaury is a bitter herb that hasn't been discussed here really. I found it because it was the main ingredient in Ann Louise Gittleman 's forumula. I had really great results with it, but then it caused my appetite to increase, so I had to stop. I think I had a non- parasite issue going on with hormones. For me, it worked great, but it was a pain, I had to buy the dried herb, grind it and capulate it myself.
When I felt I had something in my throat, I took tumeric, clove, ginger, and fennel for a week. Whatever it was went away.
Then there is always raw garlic, that would work too :)- Re: help! they entered the liver... peggyaus
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This is a reply to # 2,031,272Thank you so much SD.
I have 3 wormies who travel up my throat and sometimes hide up my head to mate and then spew larva down my throat... this cycle occurs about 3 times a day.... its a nightmare...
I'm starting to think they may be hookworms.....
Recently I did a bone scan and it showed up 3 distinguishable "creatures" in my lungs.
I'd like to upload the pic, just not sure how.
I got onto ebay and bought some centaury - so it should be on its way shortly. Thanks so much for the tip. I"ll let u know how I go.
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This is a reply to # 2,031,272I think the advantage of the centaury herb or others herbs over garlic is that you don't have to smell garlic during days !
I have also tried centaury herb and it seems to damage some parasitic worms but not as much as others herbs that i have tried (artemisia absinthium and tanacetum vulgare being my favorites)
Note : be careful with tanacetum vulgare, it is higly poisonous for the brain and for the nervous system. I only drink the water of infusion, not the powder/leaves/flowers.
I know that i have eaten a lot of garlic cloves and bulbs during my past experiments but i am sure you can compete hahaha ;)
I am curious, what is your maximum dose in a day ?
I think i have eaten up to 4 or 5 bulbs a day, 3 cloves cut in small dices each 30min with half a drink of water.
And even if it has produced some die off, it also seems that some parasitic worms don't care and are resistant to garlic.
I have felt more than once a parasitic worm (probably a roundworm or a tapeworm) moving from the rectum, to the colon, to the small intestine, to the duodenum, when my digestive tube was full of garlic. Impressive but true.- Re: help! they entered the liver... sd2345
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This is a reply to # 2,038,206Well David, I can't even come close to your record! I have consumed a huge bulb and maybe an extra clove or two daily, but never more than that!
With garlic, the key to it being effective is long term use, but most can't do that. By long term, I mean like 3 weeks or more of daily pounding with garlic. The smell infuses everything, my coats, pillows, clothing. I am not sure why, but my system responds to it better than anything.
Lately I have just been doing garlic enema's (extremely effective, maybe more than taking internally I'm finding), and fresh ground black pepper in capsules, tumeric and ginger. Sometimes I add olive leave and vidanga. I have no movement, and no constipation anymore. I'm doing fine with this for now.
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This is a reply to # 2,038,236Hi sd,
are you doing something special after garlic enema like ...i dont know... Probiotics Enema ? how safe is it and how often can we do it? I mean did it affect the mucosal or something? it shouldnt.
when did my first one very light did not have any special manifestations there after (except expelled candida and worms a day after) but did have GB/liver migration. same time i was taking albenda. could garlic enema scared them to migrate?
so basically you buy bulk herbs, grounded fresh and mix your own "medicine". ground fresh sounds more powerfull...is it important that they are organic?
and when are you taking them? before , during or after the meals?
after i eat the pain and presence in the GB/liver pancreas are gone for 20-30 minutes then they are back. would taking herbs or enzymes let's say 15-20 after eating have any value in your opinion? they start being nasty again after 1 hour and 30 minutes like after the last meal.
many thanks
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This is a reply to # 2,038,443No, nothing special after garlic enema. In fact, I have been doing them before bed, and hopefully some residue stays in my colon and is soaked up into the blood stream as I sleep.
Everything I read about garlic states that it does not destroy the good bacteria, but acts as a pre-biotic, helping to maintain good bacteria. This has seems to ring true to me, since using garlic alone I did just fine with no issues like candida.
I buy most of my herbs from mountain rose, but the vidanga I have to get from a supplier in California. The ground black pepper is just grocery store peppercorns, ground in a little "magic bullet" like grinder. I also have to grind the centaury. I make all my own capsules, which is a pain and I hate it, but it does seem to work best.
The key is letting it stay in your system long enough to wear them down, like weeks even though you see no dead worms. Lately, adding the ground pepper has been what I see the difference in, if you look up piperazine, it's made from a property of ground pepper, and used to be used as an antihelminth med long ago. It also increases the potency of herbs.
The only enzymes I take on occasion are papaya enzymes, chewable and probably filled with junk. They probably don't do much for me, but I take a handful of them sometimes.
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This is a reply to # 2,038,236
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I can't even come close to your record! I have consumed a huge bulb and maybe an extra clove or two daily, but never more than that!
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Ok, you must have had parasitic worms sensible to garlic.
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The smell infuses everything, my coats, pillows, clothing. I am not sure why, but my system responds to it better than anything.
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I think this what garlic does, it goes everywhere in the body, even in the hair ! I have had the same effects. And i don't like the odor at all. You can't really work/be with other people when you stink like that.
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Lately I have just been doing garlic enema's (extremely effective, maybe more than taking internally I'm finding)
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Yes good idea, in theory this allows the herbs compounds to reach the liver (and thus the blood and the bile) without being altered by the stomach juices and the pancreas juices.
I think i will do some tests with others herbs, i don't want to smell garlic anymore. Bah !
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This is a reply to # 2,031,214Not yet, but I ordered some. I am going to use it both as coffee-type retention enema as well as cleansing whole-bowel enema. We'll see what happens. Since you say you took the herb orally though, I will try that, too.
I KNOW there's something wrong with my liver, I feel achy, etc. in that area. 1-1/2 yr ago I finally dumped some good sized semicalcified cholesterol stones during a flush and felt good for a while. The next 3 flushes produced nothing at all but at one time I had discharged a whole load of rolled-up red skins (without ever having eaten any tomatoes) so I just know it has to be parasites. I mean, what else. I don't have major health issues except this liver thing.
Also, on one occasion not long ago I discharged a few wormy looking things during a coffee enema. This was not food particles, this was worms. But only 3? Where there's 3, there's probably 3,000. :-)
I somehow feel apprehensive about putting garlic solution up my bowel, though. It is "hot", I feel it could damage the delicate tissues down there.
Best of luck to you, sd, in your search for good health & wish me luck, too!- Re: help! they entered the liver... sd2345
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This is a reply to # 2,031,275I do wish you luck! And you are right, there are never just a few.
Just wanted to add....when I first took centary, I also took tumeric, clove, fennel and ginger. Then after a month or so, just centary alone. I went through alof of nausea and "D" that I never had before. I think I took it for several months before I felt cleared.
I hope it works for you too. I was so good my hair even return to it's natural color, and my body and skin was in perfect shape. I've had two long periods where I was totally clear and felt great, it's amazing how good you feel when they are gone! You forget what normal feels like when they have you down.- Re: help! they entered the liver... dave505
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This is a reply to # 2,031,283hi sd many thanks from great advice!
my symptoms changed last days so maybe its different now.
i'll write below. I want to take albendazole for 5 days cause liver hurts so bad.
tried an clear enema yesterday - a bit better but soon after it started again . see bellow my guess its liver flukes reinfestation or acute infestation. oh boy...
I tried to recall what was different since NYE vacation and also now i was away and eat different watercress rucola salads, pork meat and fish. Usually I»m not. since 3-4 weeks I have new simptoms or exarcebated ones. I think about liver flukes or similar. I was searching the net and the symptoms match.
Here are my recent symptoms liver seems now very affected:
- continuous movements & swirls & gargling in the gallbladder and liver part; malaize; swallowed right side
- feel like some is entering the GB/liver with a stubbing senzation several times a day and especially night.
- i feel a lot of pain in the gallbladder and liver and belly button like stubbing again and like some small ones are moving trough the liver right side. chills comes and go, cold hands and feet, blunt mind.
- and when eating oils felt like the right abdomen is shrinking and cant breath?
- cant stand effort at all like 2 weeks ago.
- my lips are drying minute after minute no matter how much water ore cream. you might be right with vit.A cause my lips are getting dry as we speak continuosly
these sensation is more or less continuos. i can barely close my eyes cause i'm feeling under attack.
had to do enema cause very constipated. after enema 1 hour its ok but the minute i drink salt water ...its back again GB/liver. each time after enema seems worst - the number of them or my feeling small ones its increased.
I'm taking now alebandazole but has a lot of bulls..t in it - sucrose, lactose...Hcl (contains milk?) and enzymes. I stoped herbal cause dont want to put pressure on liver. I've taken a milkthistle and was worst ?
what can i do?
many thanks
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This is a reply to # 2,032,009Dave I wish I had answers, but seriously, I would suggest trying a garlic enema. I am not suggesting it because I "read about it" somewhere. I have experienced great relief in the liver area by doing them.
I have done many plain water enema's in the past. The reason I stopped them is that I realized that although they do give some cleansing and relief of constipation, they also are pure water that is absorbed right back into your system, along with some of the toxins you are trying to clean out. That might be why you feel some relief, but then an hour later, as those toxins are put back in your system, you feel bad again.
You might have better luck with taking a Sea Salt or soap suds enema than just plain water. The infusion in the water makes it not be absorbed back into the system. Follow up with a quick warm water to rinse it out. It's been done for centuries safely.
I still think in your case, a garlic enema would help though. Good luck, hope you feel better, I know you are in a bad way right now.- Re: help! they entered the liver... dave505
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This is a reply to # 2,032,140sd should i make garic enema after a normal one?
i condtipated like 4 days and seems not want to move by itself?
and after for now usually garlic enema should be taken after normal one - plain water.
im very sorry i cant remember a think.
i now feel a on my throat all the time and nightime is really really a chalenge. i'm very very wired and not me at all. feel now they are biting me in the abdomen and after that a big weekness, i think they use blood. could be Ascaris also the ones enetring the liver and gb?
went yesterday to the ER blood test had really bad value anemia, low luecocite...but they said to consult a psychiatrist...
thanks
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This is a reply to # 2,032,663Don't be sorry, I read that you've had a rough few days.
If you want to try a garlic enema, you can do a quick plain warm water enema first, it helps to clean you out first. When doing a garlic enema, don't stress about holding it, and go slow in the beginning. You dont have to use more than a 1-3 cups, lay on your left side and hold as long as you can. Do it progressively, run more through each time to get higher.
This will help get the garlic into the liver directly. You can do several throughout the day.
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