Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicting I... 
crojag
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Forgive me if I'm not doing this right. I'm pretty new to forums in general.
Hello,
I am new to this forum and have been dealing with mercury symptoms for 8 months. All started after eating a nutritional bar made up of spirulina. I got very very sick for a couple of days and it went downhill from there. Severe brain fox, absolutely ZERO energy, severe memory loss, cognitive problems to the degree I could not spell words like "and," muscle twitching and weakness in my right leg and twitches throughout body, severe emotional swings and panic attacks, digestive issues, and more....
I truly thought I was going to die. Drove my wife nuts.
My hair tissue mineral analysis showed a mercury level at .311 and aluminum at .92. All of the good / nutrient minerals were measured extremely low.
I've shelled out thousands upon thousands of dollars on supplements, lab tests ( thought I had ALS so had countless MRIs, among others), and I am currently seeing a Lyme specialist (although no Lyme tests have come back positive), and Connie Fox (Mercury survivor).
There are SO many conflicting opinions around the value of hair tests, and my Lyme doc wants me to take DMSA and do a urine test. From what I've read DMSA can cause mercury to dump and re-trigger symptoms. He prescribed 8 pills to be taken all at once which seems quite extreme..
Over the past 8 months I have taken ALA, EDTA, and many other things known to cause chelation, although stupidly I didn't realize that when taking them. Needless to say, I felt awful... finally, Connie Fox said STOP taking them and get your body right first. That's been helping.. and now that I;m not feeling horrible all the time am nervous to go backwards by taking the DMSA challenge test.
What have others done to prove to themselves they are mercury toxic?
Is DMSA safe?
Is my hair test worth taking seriously?
Thanks for any of your time.- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... parkk192
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This is a reply to # 2,357,833I too have had these twitches and actually had kidney failure from this. I have been using sulfur to chelate the mercury out of the body. It seems to be working slowly. I have had sinus issues and pain from the mercury. The mercury is being sprayed in the air and we are inhaling it. Give sulfur a try if you wish to. It is definitely helping me.
- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... crojag
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This is a reply to # 2,357,914Thank you for your reply.
I am very sorry to hear about the kidney failure.
Do you eat sulfur enriched foods or take a supplement? In what doses? Do you notice any side affects?
Is sulfur the only thing you take to chelate mercury?
How did you come to realize you were mercury toxic?
Thank you,
- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... parkk192
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This is a reply to # 2,357,955After chelating with both EDTA and sulfur, my kidney function has returned and I no longer need dialysis. That was a great day. The function wasn't perfect last time but enough I didn't need dialysis.
I don't feel the EDTA was doing nearly what the sulfur has done. I have a bottle of bulk sulfur and I take about a 1/2 teaspoon a day of it with water. It isn't too distasteful but the sulfur definitely has a rotten egg smell to it. Its not too noticeable.
I've been very aware of the dangers of metals for a few years. I had the sulfur already and knew it would target mercury so I gave it a try. It seems to be the only thing that has helped in any meaningful way. Definitely worth looking at. People are having major sinus issues in our area and I feel it is because of inhaled mercury so sulfur should remove it. It has been a slow road back to health but I do feel every dose helps me. Good luck and keep posting your progress.- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... crojag
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This is a reply to # 2,358,216Thank you so much for your reply. I am very glad to hear that you are recovering from that nightmare.
It is quite promising to hear that sulfur works so well, and one last question if you don't mind.. but did you have to prepare your body for detoxification before you started? I am hearing that I need to eliminate fungus, bacteria, parasites, yet I don't know that I even have them to worry about. I hate waiting, but also don't want to rush into detox and end up feeling even worse.
Thanks,
- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... Fixhealrepair
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This is a reply to # 2,358,510You'll know your mercury toxic if you react to chelators or sulfur foods. Having almost all the symptoms from the mercury symptom list is also a major sign.
There's no way to pull out mercury without feeling worse I been working on mercury for years and the stuff keeps pouring out of tissues. Hair test usually doesn't show mercury because mercury is a fat soluble toxin that hides in our tissues and fat. But The hair test can show subtle signs of mercury like low sulfur, low lithium,low iodine, low sodium/potassium ratio(adrenal fatigue) or extremely elevated minerals showing on the hair test test. Mercury detox takes years so be patient.
DMSA or DMPS are safe in capsule form I never used I.V - Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... parkk192
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This is a reply to # 2,358,510It has clearly been a nightmare. Great description.
I believe the parasites and other problems are there because we are metal toxic. I try to remove the metals and therefore remove the food for these creatures. I always think of a banana. If you kill all the gnats flying around a banana that is going bad, what do you have tomorrow or the next day? More gnats. You have to fix the banana to remove the bugs. Lower the metals, the food for the parasites goes away. Hope this helps.- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... crojag
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This is a reply to # 2,358,921That makes complete sense. I am taking a couple of things to help kill of fungus and bugs, although am not sure how to tell if they are working. My constipation comes and goes in waves.. I feel I carry 10-15 pounds of waste and then with help of natural laxatives, slowly get rid of it.. I used to be extremely regular before all this happened.. ANyway, it's clear that the path forward is steady, non-aggressive treatment with careful chelation.. thanks for the feedback.
- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... crojag
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- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... Fixhealrepair
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- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... crojag
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- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... parkk192
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- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... healthwitness
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This is a reply to # 2,357,914If you have kidney problems, I highly recommend doing a kidney cleanse while you are chelating. I use DR Clarks kidney cleanse My favorite part of it is the tea made with three herbs: Gravel root, marshmallow root, and hydrangea root. I took it about a week into chelation, and I instantly felt the difference. It was like putting a week of chelation into 1. Still, when I take the tea, it boosts the effectiveness of the DMSA. DMSA is filtered through the kidneys, so it is super important to keep the kidneys clear during chelation. I also use intestinal binders like clay and zeolite, because the intestines can take a burden off the kidneys..
- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... crojag
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This is a reply to # 2,361,296Great advice. Thank you. Do you mind sharing the frequency of both doing the kidney cleanse and taking zeolite / binders?
Do u by chance use a IR sauna as part of treatment? I am experimenting with it and have had mixed results. Some days seem better with it, and others feel worse. Have a hunch it's to do with timing of binders and vitamins
Thank you,
- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... healthwitness
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This is a reply to # 2,361,461I take the binders every day on an empty stomach. It can take the burden of the metals off of the liver and kidneys. I do the kidney cleanse when I really feel like it or feel fatigued. I take kidney herbs as a preventative. Everyday I take ginger, which is a kidney detoxifier herb.It seems to work well.
I've been interested in the Sauna! It sounds like a cool idea. The sauna might mobilize more metals than the liver and kidneys can handle, so I recommend taking binders before and after. Actually, I'd recommend taking binders days before so that your intestines are lined with them. This way, a large portion of your body is available for absorbing metals and toxins.
- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... healthwitness
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- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,361,296I'm not arguing for or against the "kidney cleanse" products. I did not use them.
I had a lead and cadmium problem, including bone density problem in my mid 40's and slightly low eGFR kidney numbers and the typically long list of mild to moderate symptoms that one would expect.
I used DMSA + ALA--Cutler's protocol. After 1.5 yrs of it and his recommended supplements during detox my bone density and eGFR improved into the 60s according to followup tests. After 3 yrs or so eGFR had improved into the 70s. After 5 yrs it continued to be in the 70s.
Lots of little symptoms improved or disappeared.
I used unusually low doses of the chelators because they made me somewhat more fatigued, fogged out and lethargic while on round and for a half day after.- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... healthwitness
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This is a reply to # 2,362,208I imagine chelation of lead and cadmium would take the burden off of the kidneys over time.
- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,368,815Yes, that has been my experience with my lead and cadmium problem. My eGFR kidney numbers went from high 50s to the 70s in a few years. It remains there today a few years later.
My impression is that sauna is more gentle for detox since it is not mobilizing heavy metals like the sulfur based natural and Rx agents do.
However some people with adrenal fatigue and those who cannot sweat have trouble with too much sauna.
- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... joegrane
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- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... healthwitness
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- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... crojag
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- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,357,833You sound like a classic case of chronic mercury toxicity.
The sulfur (thiol/SH groups) in "greens" kick up (mobilize) mercury (Hg) and other heavy metals (HMs).
Notice the ONE SH group in cysteine and glutathione. They are not going to grab onto Hg as well as the two nicely placed SH groups in lipoic acid(LA).
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/la/lastructure.html
http://www.worldofmolecules.com/life/cysteine.htm
http://chemistry.about.com/od/factsstructures/ig/Chemical-Structures---G/Glutathione.htm
However LA can move Hg across the blood brain barrier. If you have more Hg in the blood than in the brain, it will tend to move Hg *into* the brain as seen in the Gregus study of mice. Andy Cutler, PhD Chemistry explains in this discussion.
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/74605.html
I strongly recommend that you listen to this 30 min audio interview btw Andy Cutler and Dr Dan Pompa, both of whom had a Hg problem, struggled to get diagnosed and got much improved with a careful form of detox. You'll have to right click the link at this site and download the mp3.
http://web.archive.org/web/20130413185932/http://www.healthcentersofthefuture.com/DrCutler/
Dr Pompa had the mostly-low essential elements in his hair test.
Read this encouraging 1 year update from a teen who had a major setback from taking a cilantro supplement. You sound somewhat like him. He was a Senior in HS at the time and sadly had to drop out and just take online courses because he could no longer think straight. His hair test matched a Cutler Rule with too many elements in the red.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/64260
http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest_389.pdf
Having most of the essential elements on a hair test show up low or low-norm is Cutler's "Rule 1." According to his theory, Hg fouls up movement--transport--of minerals in the body. This shows up as statistically strange results on the hair test.
Typically with Rule 1 tests, levels of toxins are rather low. AC does not trust the that the levels of toxins in hair will match body burden when a test matches a Rule. He tends to assume Hg is involved and proceeds to try HM detox.
You can view 1000+ hair tests plus symptom lists at this site used by HM detox group members. Feel free to send your test to them.
http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/hairtest/hairtest22/
A close friend had a Rule 1 test and very bad reaction to accidentally taking 100mg doses of ALA in a new formulation of her multivitamin for ten days in the months after Amalgam removal. Thankfully she is much improved to day after years of AC detox plus recommended supplements and some hormone balancing.
You may need some hormone balancing too since Hg really hammers hormone related systems.
I suggest that you do your homework before messing with high sulfur foods and supplements. While you are learning you can take other antioxidants--vitamin C, E, selenium to protect your body from the mobilized HMs. For example,
http://www.wellnessresources.com/health/articles/seleniums_vital_role_in_thyroid_hormone_function/%20tionist
In the Yahoo detox groups, the rule of thumb is that when a person has a bad reaction to taking a chelator or high thiol food or supplement, it is another indication that Hg is involved.
With the Rule 1 test, a bad reaction to taking high thiol foods and symptoms that match, I don't think you need the provoked urine test. Cutler and Pompa discuss how flawed they are.
My pre-chelation provoked urine and urine porphyrins tests were clearly normal ad the hair test was barely suspicious for lead and cadmium. However after 1 and 1.5 yrs of AC detox cadmium or lead were in the red and other toxins were in the yellow. The essential element section looked fairly normal. I've never had a hair test that was even close to matching a Cutler Rule I had a lead and cadmium problem, not a Hg problem. I chelated for over five years with DMSA plus ALA with life changing gains--normalized bone density and kidney numbers, improved mood, intellectual ability, and a LONG list of little things that greatly improved or went away.
So DMSA is quite effective for lead--when taken in a safe way!
Results of DMSA Treatment Study, James Adams,et al
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15120628/Results-of-DMSA-Treatment-Study
Conclusions - benefits
•DMSA greatly increases excretion of lead, and some increase in excretion of tin, mercury,thallium.
•1 round of DMSA dramatically normalized glutathione levels for at least 1-2 months, and helped normalize platelet levels (marker of inflammation) for at least 4 months
•Severity of Autism Scale. Significant improvement in both groups
However if you take DMSA foolishly and when HMs are involved bad things can happen. Check out this by C Shade, a guy with a PhD in chemistry and whose speciality is enviornmental Hg. If a guy with that background can make this mistake, anyonoe can. As you correctly pointed out, there is so much confusion out there--maybe some of it from those who have something to loose if people understand the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc3eTtY39eU
Also check out the Youtube videos by Boyd Haley, former chair of the chem dept at the U of KY, for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJhMERFaBqY
This is a discussion btw Haley and RFK Jr, the environmentalist who was hired by Pres Trump to lead a re-evaluation of the role of mercury in various health problems. I hope they "clean up the swamp" at the CDC.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/03/robert-f-kennedy-jr-interviews-dr-boyd-haley-on-mercury-toxicity-alzheimers-and-autism.html
Good information is out there on Hg toxicity. You just need to dig a little. Look at what works for those with your symptoms. Do your homework before jumping in.
The list of symptoms presented by this female is quite typical of a middle aged female.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/110396
When HMs are involved, there *will* be mood struggles. The brain, hormone systems and other related systems are so vulnerable. You don't need to be embarrassed. It is just chemistry. It gets better with safe forms of detox.- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... crojag
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This is a reply to # 2,359,148Thank you SO much!!! This is incredibly helpful and I will review the material you shared in detail.
BTW - am sorry for replying to late - forgot to enable notifications on the thread and just assumed nobody replied.
Thanks again,
- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... crojag
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This is a reply to # 2,359,148Thank you again. The audio webinar was very informative! It's a little hard to tell when one should use DMPS vs DMSA with ALA. I like the idea of taking DMPS to take every 8 hours vs 4. But is there a downside?
Also, I stupidly took a Iodine supplement per recommendation of two doctors and felt awful. Just curious if that is normal for mercury toxic people and if others have had a similar experience?
I was told to take it due to an Iodine deficiency on blood testing.
Thank you- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,362,086If you have a mercury problem (Hg) and you can obtain DMPS you'll probably want to use it, at least in most rounds.
If you have some lead, you'll probably want to do an occasional round with DMSA.
There are plenty of reports here at CZ of unpleasant reactions to taking iodine--and lots of other things.
Some people are just sensitive. Some need to start with low doses.
The multi mg doses of Iodine don't make sense to me. I'm not Japanese. I take modest doses of it. My ancestors lived in the mountains in Europe. - Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... healthwitness
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This is a reply to # 2,362,086Nascent Iodine is the form of Iodine that works for me. It's easier on the system. It's also clinically proven to remove fluoride from the brain. Iodine has a chelation effect for metals like mercury, so that could be the awful feeling you were having. Iodine also is anti viral, anti fungal, and antibacterial, so by supplementing, you may be experiencing die off symptoms. Iodine is probably worth taking if you are deficient, as many of us are. Maybe try the Nascent iodine. It's much more usable by the body and may also assist in chelation. I'm pretty sure other forms of iodine don't work very well.. It's also best taken on an empty stomach. I feel pretty bad when I take it with food. I'm an iodine fan :)
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- Re: Mercury Toxic - Zoo of Conflicti... crojag
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This is a reply to # 2,357,833Hi Crojag,
I'm not sure if you still read this thread, but can you tell me whether you've been able to recover from the mercury?
I was thinking about consulting with Connie but wanted to see whether you had success with her.
Thank you!
Kellie
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