My search at the Rife Conference 
Mrs. Lightning
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I went to the Rife Conference a couple of weeks ago with the mission to find the ultimate electronic device that would not just be a frequency generator but one that could be sophisticated enough to supply me with the exact frequencies that was in me that were harmful to me.
I got to have a close up look at Beam Rays, F-scan 2, F160, the Molecular enhancer, Multiple Wave Oscillators, Photon Sound Beams,Pap-Imi Magnetic Pulsers, Gas Plasma Ray Tubes, the Advance Bio-Photon Analyzer and the Ergonom microscope presentations.
In the exhibition rooms, everyone had there machines on full blast. The energy emmited could almost knock you over. I felt the vibrations from my toes and throughout my body. I was being zapped whether I needed it or not.
All of the devices could be programmed to emit a frequency or a set of frequencies. Some had higher outputs than others. The choices were either use a contact device like pipe handholds to receive the zaps,or the receive the frequency without touching handholds through harmonic antennea or with the use of plasma tubes. The Molecular Enhancer required the user to hold the plasma bulb while sitting with bare feet on a metal contact on the machine which is on the floor. Just walking a few feet from that was enough to make me queasy.
My interests lead me to the F-scan 2 which scanned me. Out came a list of frequencies which meant nothing to me. What were they? The man running the machine didn't know, but if I wanted to I could zap them. That was unscientific. What if a frequency was my lunch, or a vibration from something in the room, or a protein, or something good that I need in my body?
So off to see Dr. Sutherland and his explaination. He refers to himself as using “Shamanism and high tech” to serve his patients.
Currently, he is using the F-scan2 and / or the F160 with the Advanced Bio Photon Analyzer and a dowsing rod for remote applications as well as in house patient applications.
So when he runs a scan, the frequencies found in the body are numerous. To determine which ones to treat, he uses his metal dowsing rod to test the patient. That is where Shamanism comes into play. It is working for him.
Again I say, not scientific enough.
Wasn't anyone able to replicate Dr. Royal Rife's experiments to find specific frequencies? Dr. Rife used his specially made microscope capable of seeing 60,000 times larger, and seeing the specimens alive the whole time. Then when he applied his photon beam for only a few seconds, he could actually see the parasite die.
But Rife's microscopes, only 5 built, are not working, missing parts, and no one knows how to build one. I was fortunate to get to see original blueprints at the convention brought by a special man. They were given to him my a woman who had them in her attic. They were drawn up by Mr. Bare as best as he could. Talk was wild when they were unrolled in the lobby of the hotel. Did Dr. Rife use quartz in his prisms? Did he use Maglluminum as the prism shroud? And on and on.
But in the end, only the Ergonom 500 microscope is the closest and best to help researchers replicate and continue to visually see and find the effects of different frequencies on parasites, bacteria, and fungi. But the price starts at $150,000 and goes up from there. Luckily for us, the Grayfield Optical company who makes this great microscope is making an affordable blood microscope specifically for following Rife's work. It is to come out next year.
So, for now I go back to the F-scan2. I asked how many frequencies are programmed into the F-scan2 that have been identified. The answer: Well, all 350 that are listed, tested and found by Dr. Hulda Clark using her syncrometer are progammed into the F-scan2! And not even a thank you Dr. Clark.
So what a revelation that was.
So I asked Dr. Clark if she recommended her patients to the F-scan2. She said she did not know how that machine operated. The answer was no.
So back to the F-scan2 for an experiment. My friend was scanned. Then all frequencies that the machine came up were written down. The she was re-scanned immediately. The numbers were written down again. To our surprise, they were all different. We wanted an explaination. The salesman could not figure out why that should happen. We thought it should have been consistant, but the results were not.
So, the conclusion, the syncrometer won hands down for the ultimate testing device. Even though I thought it was cumbersome, hard to learn, old fashioned, I was wrong. It is the only way to test ourselves to be sure that we did knock out the pathogen etc. with the right frequency or other method.
This technology of using an audio oscilloscope to hear whether something is in us or not through resonance by putting our bodies into the circuit is very sophisticated and yet simple. It is genius.
Until the blood microscope comes out and researchers can visually search for more kill frequencies, the syncrometer is a must have device. And zapping by any method will continue to be a hit or miss method for eliminating what ails us, unless we learn to use the syncrometer.
So for now a simple zapper or frequency generator connected to a plate zapping box is the most sure way to target pathogens at specific locations. It is sure. And the notion that a 32 KHz zapper is not strong enough to do this job in unfounded and untrue.
If a person wanted to zap the brain for a certain bacteria, a brain sample would be placed on one plate for the target, and the bacteria on the other plate to zap. This is a small example of the possiblities of plate zapping which will soon become the mainstream method of use because of its ease of use. The frequency number does not need to be known!
All in all the conference was a revelation. The people who attended were all good natured and intent on making a difference.
It was a great experience.
Mrs. Lightning- recommended post recommended post re... The_Comeback_Kid
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This is a reply to # 649,442The original post should be apart of the newsletter with anyone else's who offers FIRST HAND experiences of the Rife Conference gathering.
G. got to tell ya, I'm hurt you did not even notify me you were going. I thought we had a way closer relation than that? I offend you somewhere along the way? :)
WOW, I also have to say that:
1. That was a great initial write up I'd like to see followed up.
2. I was completely wrong. I would have wagered good $ that you were going to choose the Peter Walker represented Ergonom microscope as the most significant and important impact at the conference. They've prepared for the release of it for a long time as well as the entire presentation. But again, I was wrong. The syncrometer, eh holds the title in your opinion? Have you dusted yours of yet? I have just been put off by the real numbers of how many people give up on becoming proficient with them after purchase. That has nothing at all to do with whether they are proficient at comparative resonance or not. Merely proves that the device takes patience, a good ear and intestinal fortitude to work with proficiently.
Fortunately I have kept my mind open. Although we would both agree it is paramount to keep several different guns in our holsters, I have speculated that one day it would either be a high wattage rf carrier driven resonant plasma device...OR....the full blown and involved plate zapping concept with a robin Atelier FG doing the "dirty work" for my own future frequency therapy experimentation. Yep, notice I did not mention the fscan2, syncrometer, or ? for comparative resonance. I know, I know. You went to the con for all the right reasons. To find a means of pathogen detection that was repeatable. You were probably one of the most unique and insightful one's there. Many of us are bent on treatment (myself included), and have placed the "cart before the horse" by not asking manufacturers to cintinue to place their R/D funds towards a good comparative resonance device like the fscan2...but with extremely consistent (objective) and repeatable results and at a far cheaper price. I guess that $5000 syncrometer type device we once saw way back when has a *few* of those qualities.
I still don't know. As you know some time back a few people in Europe had shown and discussed their syncrometer style devices based off clark's, but required a few hundred thousand dollars for further R/D and production. Don't know where that stands. Sounded much more visual and automated...if I can use that word liberally. I have to be honest, I haven't been playing ball on this side of the Clark fence this year and wanted to be more open minded and include various other tech as well. But I am going to continue to consider Rife plasma vs plate zapping. Again, I know your point. They both have limited use without a comparative resonant "diagnostic" device. Honestly, manufacturers know we need one/others, but it isn't easy. James Berger is working on his much different idea, while Ken Uzzel I believe is working on a remote body scan with Frex 14. I THINK, just nothing on the exacting level of a clark syncrometer? Ahhhh, deep breath. Man, am I going to have to learn that syncrometer device. I can just see flying objects in the house. ;) I have found a few good slide manufacturers...lost in bookmarks. One in denmark I think tht was insane. I've tried to tell the rife and lyme group to consider using the borelia slides and 3 others related to that bug with a plate zapper and fg/zapper, but I think no one has tried it. With so many peps on that forum and being that the bb is so serious, they would either see IMMEDIATE and serious herxs (opinion) or discover that the technology lacks penetration and the circuit construction is hogwash. Sure, I think the plate zapping concept works. And sutherland says it can be used with plasma and the plates as well. So that would be a great synergistic move option possiblly.
My friend seems to really like the plate zapping with humnan body samples (no slides). I'm glad you posted and will again remind myself of the direction I was going to previously take which is plate zapping with slides. Sadly there are still very few people that are aware of this technique and even few like myself employing it. Maryellen seems to like it. Jeff sutherland has told me that he really likes it (essentially), and I know you have some use with plate zapping as well (limited?). So what is your evauluation as far as effectiveness? Anything subjective like herxes or "physical manifestations?"
For treatment I think frequency (for me) is still more important for treatment than magnetics or e-field. And since *I** feel this, then it becomes a matter of full body penetration (for me at least). The plate zapping and radiant plamsa both are worthy of further experimentation to counter tissue resistance concerns.
Digressing, I continue to be surprised just how few a % of people are up on Clark's latest research and most importantly her devices AND WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE ABOVE AND BEYOND HER SIMPLE ZAPPER CIRCUIT!
You said, """So, the conclusion, the syncrometer won hands down for the ultimate testing device.""""
Honestly, I have only seen a few people "here and there" that wield it with experience. Are you gaining results with it? I have seen the canadian company I have recommended to people....their bodywide comparative resonance of a friend minus the brain. I mean, the evaluation from the syncrometer showed she had about 80% of what was being tested for. To include several diferent bacterias, heavy metals, etc correlated to the organ in distress. I looked at it for awhile and just throw my hands up and said (so and so) bascially has nearly everything tested for! I really dont know/never seen this person, so couldn't really tell ya what her health was like. Suffice it to say, that general duration frequency therapy availeth much. Not to mention general herbs which have dominated for me. A crushing, meaningful blow to microbes neither they nor me saw coming. A compartive resonance device with quantifiable, extremely consistent "diagnostics" at a low $ would be great, but in the meantime I've got pretty much all the "roomates" and many many different things work. Getting back to FULL wellness, well AT THAT POINT I would be very interested in using something as precise (?) as the syncrometer.
And for those of you who think a high powered rife/bare is expensive, I'll remind you that those slides/tissue sample don't come cheap. It is VERY easy to run up a tab while investing in more tissue slides as your interests grow. Sure you can make your own homegrown slides, but there are huge limitations there versus microscope slides.
G., you should have seen the slide selection at that European website versus Wards and the other co. clark suggests. WOW.
Did you get an opportunity to smooze with Don Tunney of resonantlight or Dave Trebing of Virant Health? Both Rife/Bare designers. They were both in exhibitions. Any thoughts on their plasma setups?
Would like to see other observations posted here you felt/think noteworthy.
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G. got to tell ya, I'm hurt you did not even notify me you were going. I thought we had a way closer relation than that? I offend you somewhere along the way? :)
WOW, I also have to say that:
1. That was a great write up.
2. I was completely wrong. I would have wagered good $ that you were going to choose the Peter Walker represented Ergonom microscope as the most significant and important impact at the conference. They've prepared for the release of it for a long time as well as the entire presentation. But again, I was wrong. The syncrometer, eh holds the title in your opinion? Have you dusted yours of yet? Man, I have just been put off by the real numbers of how many people give up on becoming proficient with them after purchase. That has nothing at all to do we with whether they are proficient at comparative resonance or not. Merely proves that the device takes patience, a good ear and intestinal fortitude to work with proficiently.
Fortunately I have kept my mind open. Although we would both agree it is paramount to keep several different guns in our holsters, I have speculated that one day it would either be either a high wattage rf carrier driven resonant plasma device...OR....the full blown and involved plate zapping concept with a robin Atelier FG doing the "dirty work." Yep, notice I did not mention the fscan2, syncrometer, or ? for comparative resonance. I know, I know. You went to the con for all the right reasons. To find a means of pathogen detection that was repeatable. You were probably one of the most unique and insightful one's there. Many of us are bent on treatment (myself included), and have placed the "cart before the horse" by not asking manufacturers to cintinur to place their R/D funds towards a comparative resonance device like the fscan2..but with more consistent (objective) and repeatable results and at a far cheaper price. I guess that $5000 syncrometer type device we once saw way back has a *few* of those qualities.
I still don't know. As you know some time back a few people in Europe had shown and discussed their syncrometer style devices based off clark's, but required a few hundred thousand dollars for further R/D and production. Don't know where that stands. Sounded much more visual and automated...if I can use that word liberally. I have to be honest, I haven't been played ball on this side of the Clark fence this year and wanted to be more open minded and include various other tech as well. But I am going to continue to consider Rife plasma vs plate zapping. Again, I know your point. They both have limited use with a comparative resonant diagnostic device. Honestly, manufacturers know we need one/others, but it isn't easy. James Berger is working on his much different idea, while Ken Uzzel I believe is working on a remote body scan with Frex 14. I THINK, just nothing on the exacting level of a clark syncrometer. Ahhhh, deep breath. Man, am I going to have to learn that syncrometer device. I can just see flying objects in the house. ;) I have found a few good slide manufacturers...lost in bookmarks. One in denmark I think tht was insane. I've tried to tell the rife and lyme group to consider using the borelia slides and 3 others realted to that bug with a plate zapper and fg/zapper, but I think no one has tried it. With so many peps on that forum and being that the bb is so serious, they would either see IMMEDIATE and serious herxs (opinion) or discover that the technology lacks penetration and the circuit construction is hogwash. Sure, I think the plate zapping concept works. And sutherland says it can be used with plasma a the plates as well. So that would be a great synergistic move option possiblly.
My friend seems to really like the plate zapping with humnan body samples (no slides). I'm glad you posted and will again remind myself of the direction I was going to previously take which is plate zapping with slides. Sadly there are still very few people that are aware of this technique and even few like myself employing it. Maryellen seems to like it. Jeff sutherland has told me that he really likes it (essentially), and I know you have some use with plate zapping as well (limited?). So what is your evauluation as far as efectiveness? Anything subjective like herxes or "physical manifestations?"
For treatment I think frequency (for me) is still more important for treatment than magnetics or e-field. And since *I** feel this, then it becomes a matter of full body penetration (for me at least). The plate zapping and radiant plamsa both are worthy of further experimentation to counter tissue resistance concerns.
Digressing, I continue to be surprised just how few a % of people are up on Clark's latest research and most importantly her devices AND WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE ABOVE AND BEYOND HER SIMPLE ZAPPER CIRCUIT!
You said, """So, the conclusion, the syncrometer won hands down for the ultimate testing device.""""
Honestly, I have only seen a few people "here and a few people there" that wield it with experience. Are you gaining results with it? I have seen the canadian company I have recommended to people....their bodywide comparative resonance of a friend minus the head. I mean, the evaluation from the syncrometer showed she had about 80% of what was being tested for. To include several diferent bacterias, heavy metals, etc and the organ in distress. I looked at it for awhile and just throw my hands up and said (so and so) bascially has everything tested for! I really dont know/never seen this person, so couldn't really tell ya what her health was like. Suffice it to say, that general duration frequency therapy availeth much. Not to mention general herbs which have dominated for me. A crushing, meaningful blow to microbes neither they not me saw coming. A compartive resonance device with quantifiable, consistent "diagnostics" would be great, but in the meantime I've got pretty much all the "roomates" and many many different things work. Getting back to FULL wellness, well AT THAT POINT I would be very interested in using something as precise (?) as the syncrometer.
And for those of you who think a high powered rife/bare is expensive, I'll remind you that those slides/tissue sample don't come cheap. It is VERY easy to run up a tab while investing in more tissue slides as your interests grow. Sure you can make your own homegrown slides, but there are huge limitations there versus microscope slides.
Man G., you should have seen the slide selection at that European website versus Wards and the other co. clark suggests. WOW.
And you brought a girl friend to the Con for me too? Shesh. Wow, you really don't like me. ;) Must be the garlic.
Did you get an opportunity to smooze with Don Tunney of resonantlight or Dave Trebing of Virant Health? Both Rife/Bare designers. They were both in exhibitions. Any thoughts on their plasma setups?
Would like to see other observations posted here you felt/think noteworthy.
- More about the Conference Mrs. Lightning
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This is a reply to # 649,443Hello Kid,
It would have been wonderful to have met you and other Curezone members at the Rife Conference. I must have asked dozens of people there if they knew of Curezone and they didn't. I wondered where everyone was. I did met a health educator from Canada who loved Curezone but had not yet posted. That was refreshing to know that I found one soul out there!
Yes, Peter Walker brought two excellent films showing live blood and cancer therapies reacting to various treatments. I bought those films. It was impressive and is a must have for any serious researcher. Germany leads the pack in this fantastic research. Pleomorphism was discussed in detail. This is the study of the changes or morphism that occurs of more than one distinct form through a life cycle of an organism.
E.g.: It is what Dr. Clark has been saying the when you kill a parasite, a bacteria will form followed by fungus, then a hatching of eggs, possibly a chemical reaction occurs and so forth. Hence the reason, Dr. Sutherland uses a set of 4 frequencies for the Mortal Oscillatory Rate of a pathogen.
This kind of pleomorphism was visually seen for the first time since Dr. Rife using the Ergonom!
One small thing that the film showed was how our immunity was turned off for 4 hours by consuming even a small amount of sugar! The white blood cells were immobilized. It was as though the blood was in a coma or state of shock.
Medically researchers really need the Ergonom microscope. (When I win on the Survivor Show I'll buy one.) The possibilities are endless.
This microscope does not heat up the tissue samples over 5° and uses fiber optics. It uses parallel light not refracted light. They are able to get 99% of pure white light. This is important not to heat up and cook the sample being viewed, and the light is clean to get an extremely great depth of field 3D at 28 mm! And this is fully adjustable.
One note told to us by Dr. Loyd is that Doug of the“Doug Device” Mega MagPulser should be credited for finding the Lyme Disease frequency using a Zeiss microscope.
Yes, it is all exciting. And yes, my syncrometer is dusted off and is in use. Why was I so shy about using her? The slides are expensive. But with more friends sharing in the cost and bottle copies can be made for the the price of an amber bottle and a full 27 seconds, I'm beginning to gain confidence. Especially since Dr. Clark herself showed me her technique personally. There is simply no excuse anymore!!
Plate zapping is the key. And yes I want to see that European slide company website. Bring it on! Let's work toward great health and how about immortality? No limitations here.
Yes, I was with a Curezone friend who I had the pleasure of finally seeing in person after only telephone and emailing for a year and a half. We had a blast, especially since we are of the same mindset.
And she hunted and found the Resonant Light group and introduced me to Don Tunney and his beautiful wife to be Eddie. We liked his Perl device.
I really liked what Joshua from Future Tech Todays offers with his harmonically perfectly tuned Lakhovsky coils.
The discussion of electromagnetic frequencies was a hot topic for researchers.
Per Dr. Sutherland:
Electromagnetic frequency kills pathogens, parasites, viruses and bacteria. It can kill their cells or enhance their function.
Electromagnetic fields can eliminate proteins or enhance production of proteins. It can also eliminate the support for malignancy, viral replication, and stimulate cellular function.
Per Dr. Loyd:
Recommended book: Electromagnetic Fields and Living Cells – Interaction Mechanism and Frequency Response
Per Dr. Henry Lai:
EMF damages DNA. Cells with high rates of iron intake, e.g. proliferating cells, cells infected by a virus, would be more susceptible to the effects of EMF. EMF stopped before all cells are dead, then the cancer cells will grow faster with the increased iron from the dead cells.Low Frequency EMF is less harmful to normal cells.
He gave an excellent presentation. He said, "Pulsed magnetic fields also increase drug effect."
He spoke of a Trojan horse compound that can deliver artemisinin to cancer cells. It is 34,000 times more selective in killing cancer cells than normal cells!
All is all very exciting. It is to be clearly understood that much more research must be done in this arena.
Herbs still rule! Dr. Clark talked about the importance of using herbs. Get her new book you will be impressed at the clarity this time.
Lastly this very important note expressed by Dr. Sutherland:
Herxheimer effect is the foreign proteins caused by the foreign proteins released from dying spirochetes. Killing larger organisms releases smaller proteins. Killer cells release organisms that infect cells. Killing pleomorphic organism causes other forms to proliferate. Any Herxheimer effects indicate poor clinical protocol!
Break up protein to prevent Herxheimer effect.
Any Herxheimer effects indicate poor clinical protocol. I'm glad someone else said that besides myself!
So think about why, how, and what you do to yourself. Take your time and take the time to read and study.
This conference answered many questions for me. And it opened the door for many more to come.
Sincerely,
Mrs. Lightning
- Re: More about the Conference Cyrulis
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This is a reply to # 649,452Hi Kid and Lighning,
I enjoy reading your posts- feel like I am being taken to the other side of the planet where you can lear and lear and learn about electromedicine, Rife's et cetera. I almost feel dizzy, but this is good.
Anyway, don't spare your time giving your insights so you could shed more light into heads like mine. Damn it, it is really useful.
It really would be interesting to find out a real answer for why repetitive scanning by fscan2 provided different results. And it is really interesting how do we solve the problem that many other things coud be giving off a frequency and that maybe similar that to a some parasite. Yeah, maybe that frequency was that of s.aureus for example or something else? Don't laugh at these wonderings of mine- where else would I learn thing like that?
And also I liked the thing about sugar. It is really interesting what's going on when immune system gets shut off and how does sucrose do that? Maybe it has a some kind of dead frequency? Again, don't laugh at me for I am getting dizzy from my terminator2.
- Sugar Mrs. Lightning 21 y 23,627
- Break up protein to prevent herxheim... ketchup
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This is a reply to # 649,452 Break up protein to prevent Herxheimer effect.
Any Herxheimer effects indicate poor clinical protocol. I'm glad someone else said that besides myself!
Can you elaborate on that? What would be a proper protocol? Thanks.
- Re: Break up protein to prevent herx... Mrs. Lightning
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This is a reply to # 649,455Hi Kechup,
Herxheimer effect is basically what is known as when a person starts a treatment and feels worse afterwards, and people refer to this as "die off" of release of toxins, or you know whatever you are doing is working because you feel so bad before you'll feel better so hang in there.
I don't agree with that you have to feel worse to know something is working. I agree with Dr. Sutherland that what works should make you feel better right away.
What is proper protocal you ask? I wish I knew Dr. Sutherland's protocal but he did not elaborate on that.
For myself, I would have to say organ cleansing, kidney,liver, and colon would be primary.
parasite and bacteria extermination.
Dental cleanup
Heavy metal detox and removal
Dietary changes: food and water concentrating on fruits and vegetables
Supplementation of vitamins and minerals.
Medicine cabinet with: collodial silver, Lugol's iodine, oregano oil, ozonator
Clean body products
Now your body is prepared and immunity is being built up.
Herx happens when too much is done too fast. Pleomorhism taking place within the body. Wrong frequency is applied, etc.
Dr. Sutherland said, "Break up protein to prevent Herxheimer effect." I found this to be very interesting. My thoughts raced to "If proteins could be broken down with electromagnetic fields, or by frequency generators, then perhaps the Mad Cow disease prion protein could also be destroyed!" Nothing else is working on that terrible disease. Dr. Sutherland hadn't heard of any research in that area.
But then about breaking down the protein, I understood this to mean the necessity of cracking the outer membrane of a cell, to get to the problem inside of it.
Dr. Clark talks about removing ferritin (protein that coats the white bood cells and prevents the WBC from doing their job of phagocytizing). This information is in the "Cure for HIV/AIDS" book. She suggests digestive enzymes, levamisole, vitamin c, l-cysteine, red beets and electronic treatments will free the WBC from the ferritin protein tomb shroud.
Just more to think about.
Mrs. Lightning
- Re: Break up protein to prevent herx... Mrs. Lightning
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- Re: More about the Conference vtool
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MoreThis is a reply to # 649,452Ms. Lightning,
Thank you for such a detailed and informative post. I wish I could have attended. I find your comments on the syncrometer and plate zapping of great interest, and importance. Your posts I have copied and pasted into my files for future reference, and follow up. I hope to acquire a tape of the conference, particularly of Dr.'s Loyd, Sutherland, and Clark.
I hope to be there next year, and I for one hope to meet you.
Plate zapping is what Dr. Sutherland has recommended to me, and I am working with the slides now on occasion.- Tapes Mrs. Lightning
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This is a reply to # 649,465Your welcome Vtool,
Dr. Sutherland spoke before the official conference in a private class which was not allowed to be taped.
Dr. Clark spoke for two hours for the main conference, but the real interesting information came in her private class which was not taped.
There was also a Dr. Haltiwanger which spoke that is well worth getting his packed with information lecture. Everyone I met was totally impressed with him as well. You might enjoy his lecture.
Hope to go to the next conference, too!
Mrs. Lightning
- Tapes Mrs. Lightning
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- Re: More about the Conference vtool 21 y 23,620
- Re: More about the Conference The_Comeback_Kid
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This is a reply to # 649,452Guys. Sorry for rambling. Not really a good read. It was late and I was thinking out loud.
Hey Lightning and vtool, etc.....look for me! You bet your bippie I'll be at the next Rife Con! I'm sick...uh and tied of skipping it. Honestly G., if I knew you were going I would have considered it that much further. I have one other sure bet from south carolina that will be going with me next year. I mean, I don't care...it's a done deal. So just let me know if you guys are going next year so we can meet up as we get closer to the con in 2005. I really don't drink, so we can all get "electrified!" {^_^}
You know Lightning, just think if we talked a bunch about plate zapping on this forum. It would be turned upside down. I'm bummed to see so much talk about simple zappers and have moved on to other forums. That's not condescending. Believe me. I just hope that people understand that if you are interested in clark protocols and equipment, I believe it paramount to pick up her most RECENT books to quickly verify that she has matriculated on much further down the road than her original simple zapper circuit. And for pete's sake, consider not replacing your Amalgam fillings without at least reading her 2003 hiv book. I cant get a hold of her new book and know it is not delivered to distrivutors for the most part yet.
Hey G., I've kept my teeth clamped together so long when visiting this forum, I think my teeth are crumbling now. Herbs? Oh yeah. HERBS baby!!! I though herbs were "girly man." Oh boy, herbs can rock. A newfound respect I never had. Although I research alot of electromagnetic devices, I still continue to own some pretty inexpensive devices. They have their uses no doubt. But between me and you (hey you brought it up), I would not trade in the herbs and most importantly the clark type cleasnes for my measley equip. collection. The main reason being is that..again...I simply don't own any heavyweight equipment desiring to keep an open and unbiased attitude towards what could be the best device options for my interests. Not to mention anything I desire happens to be thousands. :) Coupled with the fact that (as I told everyone a year ago) 2004-2006 is going to bring around some great new advancements. There happening. In the meantime I'll pinch my pennies and watch the designer/manufacturers turn up the heat and further their product designs in new directions and capabilities. Alot is going on and some of the whinning and belly aching I had about freqency devices I had last year are starting to be addressed. Not necessarily my influence at all.
Speaking of which, although I deleted 42 posts on this forums archives a long time ago ( I needed to get rid of a email)that discussed alot of detailed comparisons between zappers, fgs, rife plasma, crane contact, and blood electrifiers like the godzilla unit, I still believe a couple of my original introductions about the f160 fg exist. If any lurkers are going to buy this device for pure frequency experimentation soon, please contact me so I may let you know about waiting a little longer for a new offering at the same $ that is going to be SIGNIFCANTLY better. I mean hands down. If you are into contact Hulda Clark /john crane type of body contact experimentation, this will be the unrivaled fg for that purpose if you are serious and have the funds. Plenty of other commercial engineering fgs that are great as well like the 20mhz mandell unit.
Lightning said
"""One note told to us by Dr. Loyd is that Doug of the“Doug Device” Mega MagPulser should be credited for finding the Lyme Disease frequency using a Zeiss microscope.""
Actually, doug (he always desires his last name not be used) is the inventer of the "doub machine" as you noted. However, the megamagpulser I had introduced on this forum a few days after it was rediscovered by Allan D and posted on the microelectrcitygermkiller forum. Robb flew with the design straight away and created another dedicated forum for it. The orignal design were found by allan d on the keeleynet forums/website. There is a post there for the "lightning in a box" device posted in 1997. IT WAS POSTED BY ANONYMOUS. So crazy thing is....no one knows who to credit for that design. The megamagpulser is a bit different than "the ligthning in a box" but close. Anyhow, I was going to have V build me a real good one. Robb Allan as you know makes them avalable too. Robb is now calling the smaller coil the "Beast". For a couple reasons I think which is beyond the scope here. But V has turned in some of the best magnetic fields off the coil and he was doing it with only one car battery and not two. He has played with up to 4 car batteries. Long story short, I told V that the megamagpulser was/is going to one day turn into a great device. I told him that what would be on my wishlist is to have the capability of hooking up a fg to the wound coil and transmitting frequencies to the coil. So in other words not just the pulsed 4hz or 2 hz they have been using. Welp, some German guys a few weeks ago pulled it off apparently. They were using a fg and transmiting 63khz plus to the coil. Wow. I dont know the limits. But that gives you some good indications. Sure the EM field off the coil is amazing with the car batteries..especially the magnetic field obvioulsy. But I wanted the trifecta and the ability to get closer to all the properties that are involved with afull blown plasma setup. The ability to broadcast frequencies from the coil with a fg completes the trifecta. If high khz freqs are possible at the coil, wow that could be alot of fun. Even just audio band freqs! Well, too early to tell and too few people building them with a fg still. An fg just makes the machine that much more expensive. Either way, if could trasmit the freqs to the coil from an fg, that would be just the ticket I told v near the tart of the year I'd wait for. Looks like it could be real.
Anyhow, yeah Doug is responsible for the "doug machine" to treat his own lyme with his microscope in his garage. That uses the big amplifier, AC and can transmit freqs from a fg usually below 2khz. The megamagpulser usually pulses 4hz, is DC, requires at least one 12v car battery, doesnt use a fg (until this new revelation), and does not use a external amplifier. Frankly, the design of it has changed and evolved so many times, its hard to keep up. Matter of fact there has been no less than three megamagpulser type forums created this year as so many people were fighting about new ideas. The energypulser is a branched off forum that could be just as good or better. If anyone want a megamagpulser, Robb Allan makes good ones but I'm partial to V and a couple other builders which are great people too.
You liked the Perl? He what's not to like. ;) Run 3 freqs simultaneously.
Sutherland. Smart cat that one. But you don't think he sin't takeing a page out of clark's playbook. Let me tell you, he probably can recite verbatim each of her books. I may not agree with all her statemnts, not follow all her suggestions (too challenging/time consuming at times), but I am blown away how many people out there enjoy taking what she has taught or in many many instances rediscovered the importance of and humbly all reminded us of, and yet many researchers continue to pass it off as if they are the orignal source of the information. Is sutherland one of them? Well, no he is quite brilliant on his own! But no doubt you will see the two of these researchers discuss much the same concepts.
So I take it you missed sutherland's pre rife con lecture? I heard he really didn't demonstate his use of the aurameter which I/others asked if he would as well as the advanced biophoton analyzer and his use of it with digital pics. I really want to see him use his aurameter.
Hey Mikey, you see him obtain specific freqs first hand with it?
Exciting offerings on the fg front soon.
I am not affiliated nor do I receive financial gain by mentioing any of the manufacturers above. Nor have I ever.- Re: More about the Conference Mrs. Lightning
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This is a reply to # 649,467Hope to met you to Kid,
I hope to go next year. I did see Dr. Sutherland's lecture extra $45.00, Dr. Clark's private lecture an extra $200.00 in addition to the $200 for the conference.
Just want to prepare you so you know how that works.
Love you suggestions about "The ability to broadcast frequencies from the coil with a fg". Can't wait to see that.
Don't you think the QRS is doing that in a different way instead of the coil and using the pulsed electromagnetic mattress and setting the frequencies in a limited way?
I love that you are so up on what's going on all over the world. I hope to see more representation from Europe at the Rife Conference.
A doctor from Hong Kong was there soaking in all the information to take back and replicate zapping technology. Get ready for an explosion in the field.
Thanks for clarifing Dr. Loyd's statement about Doug.
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This is a reply to # 649,467I have "seen" Dr. Sutherland email me frequencies advising me to run them, via his testing, and in one case, I neglected to, had been off transfer factor (ran out for a week or so), and got the cold he had warned me to treat,,, he detecting it BEFORE I actually got sick...
Other examples... I am in Ukraine, get a super bad bug,,, gut wrenching... I mean,,, it's almost time to call the hospital, it was that bad... but I emailed Dr. Sutherland, (I use his photo analysis service) recieved exact frequencies, wobble, and time, ran them, and was feeling fine within the hour...
So if you ask if I have "seen", I have not SEEN him do this, but I have recieved frequencies, wobble, and time from him via his photo analysis service and EXPERIENCED and SEEN the rock solid life saving or health saving results EVERY time... and that's sincere. :)- Good to know! n/p Mrs. Lightning 21 y 23,408
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- Re: More about the Conference n7cel
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This is a reply to # 649,452Rife Conference- Mrs Lightning -
Hello !
Your conference attendance sounds very interesting ! I was especially interested in your mention of the effect of Sugar on the imune system, paralyzing it for 4 hours. Iteems so difficult to get the actual truth about many of these health matters and cures. There is so much politics and high powered advertising involved.
I am a Massage and Hydrotherapist. I bought a "Astro Pulse" a couple of years ago, and have not been able to get anywheres with it. It was supposed to do everything and in actuality did nothing. We were not abe to pin point any effective frequencies. We have tried all kinds of experiments with it, without any sucess. It appeared to be a great wast of money. I asked those at Rife to give me contact with some who had purchased an Astro Pulse but they refused.
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This is a reply to # 649,542I am sorry to hear that you bought that device. I RARELY talk down about particular devices as I know it could at some point cost them a sale or two. I believe I have seen the designer of the machine talk a few times on the forums elsewhere and must say she is quite nice and sympathetic towards people. She is from Florida. HAd a go around with the FDA unfortunately a few years back. I believe for words she may have used with respect to the machine..not its specific effectiveness.
Well, that device has actually gone throught SEVERAL name changes and a couple of minor updates...but I am not aware of all becasue I dont track it that close. The short and simple is that it is a crippled frequency generator. Nothing more. That's my opinion if you are interested. There are many people that have bought this device, saidly it is often times sold while connecting the words Rife to it. It could not be farther from Rife than what it is relative to other Rife like machines in comparison. A few years back the models they made did not even allow a user to dial in a SPECIFIC frequency they wanted to run. Simply codes that correlated to ailments/conditions etc. That has changed for the better. No matter in my opinion. Any commercially available freuqncy generator would more than likely far exceed what this device is capable of. It just doesn't have the engineering that many commercailly available engineering speced devices have that are used for "bench work" by engineers. They are far more precise, versatile, and can be scaled into use with multy component rife like machines that utilize plasma tubes to broadcast the frequencies.
I take a little bit of distaste for this particular unit becasue it is sold for many many times its actual worth. Sure it comes with many preprogrammed frequency strings, but that is not time consuming or labor intensity at all for a desinger to include or a user to find and work with from the CAFL freq list.
It is sold for as much as $2500. I believe it is very possible it may have a real worth of less than $200. It is a "consumer" product. There are far better for contact pad type of electrification. And of course Rife himself was generally working with something entirely different--plasma.
You will find this simple fg under various names EVERY week on ebay.com if you use the words "rife". There are other fg type devices that are equally crippled for serious frequency work. Seriously researching Royal raymond rife, john crane, and john marsh will ferret out what specifically they WERE involved in and what they WERE NOT involved in.
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This is a reply to # 649,443Hi Comeback -- Er -- regarding your following statement --
My friend seems to really like the plate zapping with humnan body samples (no slides
-- The human body samples would be skin from fingernail clippins and/or callouses and fluids ie blood, saliva, etc. Otherwise, the specimen is from animals.
Here is an example.
I had experienced a head injury which caused me to be comotose for around 10 hours. [This happened in my home.] When I was able to get my senses I placed a brain speciman on my plate zapper and began zapping. I actually felt something happening in or on my brain that particular incident of zapping. The pain subsided instantly.
The brain speciman I used at that time was crude. I had cut the brain of a steer [you know, a young cow] in half and placed it in a jar which I covered with 1:2 grain alcohol and water.
Now I use the whole brain of a fish or mouse or whatever is available for zapping my brain with great success. The speciman should be replaced every 2 or 3 years.
I have yet to see a slide of the entire brain.
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- Re: My search at the Rife Conference Maryellen
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This is a reply to # 649,442Thank you for that wonderful and informative post.
I appreciate your mention of the plate zapping. I concur that it is the superior/genious way to zap any organ or tissue without worries of inadequate coverage of same.- Not impressed with some of the state... anunnaki
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This is a reply to # 649,463Well personally I find it amazing how you can not give any credit to the FSCAN 2 machine. It was stated that the energy in the hall/room was tremendous from all these Rife and alike machines. I find it strange how this could not be taken into consideration when getting different frequencies? Dr.Lloyd uses Fscan, Sutherland uses Fscan and many more. Why would people like this use a Fscan 2 if they are so unreliable? Granted their frequency generators are not as good as a f160 etc but from a DIRP function these doctors use them alot. I'm surprised at VTOOL not bringing this Fscan issue up considering hes used one alot and its helped him. Maybe its because he knows differently and cant be bothered to argue.
Also if you wish to utilise a 32Khz which personally I thought it was 30Khz zapper then do so. I myself would not even bother with these units because I know even a 15Hz zapper is not the be all and end all. There is nothing as good as a plasma tube (EMEM2/3) apart from RF except the worrying aspects of RF. Again Mike Vanderpool was correct in saying we cannot rely on one device such as a zapper. Even Hulda Clark admitted somewhere about her frequency zappers being to high if im correct. Even if that statement is wrong, we know its right in electronics and and the body.
I mean your statement about THE MOLECULAR ENHANCER oh this thing made me feel funny standing near it. What kind of talk is this for people who want to know about the Molecular Enhancer? I'd rather have a M.W.O (M.E) than most of the machines you've mentioned and at that show. Yet you chose to ignore and in my opinion come out with a statement which could put people off.
All I say folks is carry on with what your doing using zappers and regardless what people make out, we need higher powered electro healing afterwards for the serious person. You should then look into a M.W.O, Fscan 2 for DIRP and a good RIFE/BARE unit fully programmable to knock off anything left.
I wonder what these people who have used the FSCANs to find what their problem is they are enduring think of this! I mean they have found their EXACT problem then destroyed it with the FSCAN frequencies in a RIFE/BARE machine. Some have even used a Fscan to do the whole work. Strange this, if its so unreliable hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
If you want a Rife machine get a good EMEM2 or 3 tube setup with a good PDA (or PC) linked to a F100-160 fg. Again try and get some method of knowing what your targetting like a Fscan DIRP etc. Regardles what zapper fans say YOU STILL NEED a device like this for left overs. Zappers aren't as great as were told and I have proof of this recently this is why I am into Plasma. I still strongly suggest a quality M.W.O, either from Dan Dial with the Molecular Enhancer or a Zephyr Tech Lakhovsky coil MWO unit. The only problem with the coil units is they need calibrating etc and its not an easy task to do correctly.
VTOOL i am disappointed in you about this Fscan issue as I thought you stood up for what you thought. How can you fight the medical establishment and NWO if nothing is said. I aint frightened to argue my point with people even if they are more of an authority than myself. I would argue or ask a difference with Sutherland if I had one. Although I doubt Sutherland would make me feel this way. Come on your a Fscan user and please we'd like YOUR thoughts not Mike Vanderpools again unless credit is given, I dont like be duped.
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Well personally I find it amazing how you can not give any credit to the FSCAN 2 machine. It was stated that the energy in the hall/room was tremendous from all these Rife and alike machines. I find it strange how this could not be taken into consideration when getting different frequencies? Dr.Lloyd uses Fscan, Sutherland uses Fscan and many more. Why would people like this use a Fscan 2 if they are so unreliable? Granted their frequency generators are not as good as a f160 etc but from a DIRP function these doctors use them alot. I'm surprised at VTOOL not bringing this Fscan issue up considering hes used on alot and its helped him. Maybe its because he knows differently and cant be bothered to argue.
Also if you wish to utilise a 32Khz which personally I thought it was 30Khz zapper then do so. I myself would not even bother with these units because I know even a 15Hz zapper is not the be all and end all. There is nothing as good as a plasma tube (EMEM2/3) apart from RF except the worrying aspects of RF. Again Mike Vanderpool was correct in saying we cannot rely on one device such as a zapper. Even Hulda Clark admitted somewhere about her frequency zappers being to high if im correct. Even if that statement is wrong, we know its right in electronics and and the body.
I mean you statement about THE MOLECULAR ENHANCER oh this thing made me feel funny standing near it. What kind of talk is this for people who want to know about the Molecular Enhancer? I'd rather have a M.W.O (M.E) than most of the machines you've mentioned and at that show. Yet you chose to ignore and in my opinion come out with a statement which could put people off.
All I say folks is carry on with what your doing using zappers and regardless what people make out we need higher powered electro healing afterwards for the serious person. You should then look into a M.W.O, Fscan 2 for DIRP and a good RIFE/BARE unit fully programmable to knock off anything left.
I wonder what these people who have used the FSCANs to find what there problem is they are enduring think of this! I mean they have found their EXACT problem then destroyed it with the FSCAN frequencies in a RIFE/BARE machine. Some have even used a Fscan to do the whole work. Strange this, if its so unreliable hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
If you want a Rife machine get a good EMEM2 or 3 tube setup with a good PDA (or PC) linked to a F100-160 fg. Again try and get some method of knowing what your targetting like a Fscan DIRP etc. Regardles what zapper fans say YOU STILL NEED a device like this for left overs. Zappers aren't as great as were told and I have proof of this recently this is why I am into Plasma. I still strongly suggest a quality M.W.O either from Dan Dial with the Molecular Enhancer or a Zephyr Tech Lakhovsky coil MWO unit. The only problem with the coil units is they need calibrating etc and its not an easy task to do correctly.
VTOOL i am disappointed in you about this Fscan issue as I thought you stood up for what you thought. How can you fight the medical establishment and NWO if nothing is said. I aint frightened to argue my point with people even if they are more of an authority than myself. I would argue or ask a difference with Sutherland if I had one. Although I doubt Sutherland would make me feel this way. Come on your a Fscan user.- You missed the point Mrs. Lightning
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This is a reply to # 649,471Sorry anunnaki you missed the point.
Never did I say anything contrary to instruments at the show. I reported what I saw, and how I saw it.
Would I love to own an F-scan2, f160, ABPA, MWO, or an M.E?
Absolutely yes. They all have there place.
But none are at the level of sophistication that I had hoped and dreamed of. Detection and identification of frequencies is where we need the most help and little research is done in that area todate. Mostly it is heresay, "It worked for Joe who had that, so why don't you try the same." That is why Dr. Clark's audio oscilloscope connected in circuit to a function generator and Dr. Rife's visual methods still rule in this identification process for finding and identifing what frequency relates to what. And plate zapping via a frequency generator however administered is the wave of the future until the process of identification can catch up.
Let's move out into the 21st century quick. Got any suggestions other than hit the ailment with the most voltage, the highest frequencies, the longest time, and while your at it might as well gather all your friends to sit around next to your device that gives everyone a treatment whether it is right for them or not, and whether they need it or not?
I know you don't have any respect for Dr. Clark and her works, and you openly admitted that you haven't read all of her books. So I suggest you buy her new one, because as smart as you are you could learn alot from her if you are opened minded as you propose to be.
And as you so often brag about the Terminator2,it is openly stated on their website, "This zapper follows the circuitry recommended by Dr. Hulda Clark in her book, The Cure For All Diseases ." So give credit where credit is due.
China is getting ready to mass market zappers.
All these devices are too expensive for the average person. At least Dr. Clark shares all information for the totally inexperienced person to build everything for themselves. To put their health into their own hands with a focused and clearcut plan with excellent reasoning and great results.
So take off your boxing gloves, and put on your thinking cap. Go beyond the experimenter by way of hearsay, and come up with some clinical research that can benefit us all. You have it in you somewhere.
Sincerely,
Mrs. Lightning
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