I find that sweating during chelation is an absolute nessesity
for me. If i dont sweat i get so many more side effects. As far as constipation are you taking any probiotics.. The knees are a sign of adrenal function. I dont like the mega doses he suggests either. But if your not able to sweat i would lower the dose, purchase the 25 miligram dmsa and cut it in half, and maybe take a longer break in between cycles. Its very common to have yeast flare ups during chelation.

Hi, have you done a CDSA to make sure you don't have any intestinal dysbiosis or leaky gut syndrome? And that your liver and pancreas are working properly? And a ASI test to see how the adrenals are functioning? It's my understanding that you can't effectively chelate unless your gut is stable, the lining is not compromised, and the flora is in correct balance. Plus the liver and adrenals need to be working pretty well. The bad bacteria will complicate everything and if you have leaky gut, the mercury that is being eliminated through the GI tract will find it's way back into your bloodstream. It's another vicious circle, too, because the mercury complicates the flora balance as well. And your liver and adrenals need to be up for the additional stress.

Just more fun for us to have to deal with! I'm about to embark on my own metal chelation as soon as my next CDSA and ASI tests are back. Hopefully, I'll finally be ready. Then on to the scary dosing of DMSA.

first thing I would do is register for the Yahoo group "adult frequent dose chelation" round here

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/


I have personally found that the most important supplement for dealing with the side effects of chelation is a vitamin C. Are you able to take any vitamin C? If not why not? How about a whole food vitamin C supplement?

I had lots of problems with DMSA until I started taking lots of vitamin C

Another option to consider is DMPS. I had ZERO side effects with DMPS. Plus you only have to take it every eight hours instead of every four hours. Of course you have to have doctors prescription but it's not that hard to get. Also, if you get it be sure to buy it from the Falls pharmacy in Washington state. By far the cheapest source

As somebody else suggested, definitely get the 25 mg DMSA and cut that one and half. That might be all you need

or cut the 25 mg demsa capsule in quarters. That would give you about 6 mg per dosage.

I like the idea of going natural and cheap also, which is why I'm considering: Modifilan, zeolite, the affordable liquid zeolite at docsprefer.com, chlorella.
The products recommended by Jim Carey's wife have a lot of testimonials, google "Generation Rescue". Many recommended products in the $100 price range.

I was just considering today purchasing some human-grade zeolite to eat w/ my food. Few testimonials though. Of course, one could go wild & try cat-litter, or aquarium filter zeolite, but that's a big gamble, cause I read that the toxic form of zeolite is often mixed in with the prufication form, but I would question just how toxic it is if it is used to filter fish water!

It's not something Cutler talks about, but mercury and Lyme co-infections go together too, and often-times when people start chelating, Lyme gets stirred up. It's a vicious cycle.

Here's some info that also talks about mercury and the autoimmune problems:

//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1391323#i

I would imagine that your body is dumping the mercury and poss' other toxins and your liver cannot deal with this so deposits end up in the joints and your normal pathways are blocked giving you fatigue.
I found that when my liver was severely congested and i had pretty bad jaundice,severe fatigue,stomach cramps, yellow eyes
shoulder blade pain, pain round the liver, constipation, pale stool etc then all my joints ached esp my feet, nothing helped except the fasting.
Short fasts 3-5 days with 3-4 weeks in between (plenty of juicing) could possibly help the body rid itself of the toxins and put you in a position where you might deal with dmsa more effectively.
whatever you do, it will take time to improve your condition.
good luck and let us know what works for you.

Based on your description you have a fast phase one liver metabolism and a slow phase two liver metabolism (according to Cutler it is an important factor in multiple chemical sensitivities). Believe me, I know how it feels (I had the symptoms of fibromyalgia and Rheumatoid Arthritis ).

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25mg of DMSA every four hours for 3 days
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Your side effects are NOT caused by DMSA. These are the side effects of mercury redistribution. They occur because the availability of DMSA in your boodstream drops six times per day and the mercury wrecs havoc on your immune system while you wait it out to take the next dose after full four hours.
Your metabolism uses DMSA up faster than other people's. You need to take your dose MORE FREQUENTLY. Take it every three hours and see how you feel.

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I would rather do 12.5mg
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Why should you? You would only suffer even more. It is like trying to take off in a jumbo jet at 12.5mph; it would not work either. You have to give it some traction.

You need to slowly biuld up a "critical mass" of DMSA in your body at which you feel comfortable and keep it steady at that level for as long as you can tolerate it (I would make it two weeks rather than three days). If you take too little of it, you suffer needlessly. If you take it for too short a time, you suffer mercury toxicity on DMSA withdrawal.

Speaking from my personal experience, this is how I settled on my dose (Like you, I have fast phase one metabolism):

- 100mg every four hours did not feel right to me; I felt side effects from the mercury an hour after taking each dose. I was clearly not enough for me.

- taking 200mg every four hours made me feel good for the first time in fifteen years. I could feel the toxic waste being pulled from my body. I still experienced the effects of mercury redistribution, but only about one hour prior to each next scheduled dose. Since I got a three hours worth of a smooth ride on each dose I decided to go with 200mg every three hours, day and night, and it works like a charm. After a few days on this schedule (with or without supplements), I feel as if I had taken a shower on the inside. Whenever I have this feeling of being clean inside, I continue for maybe another day or half and then stop the DMSA.

Why would you want to stop when you are feeling good? You want to wait for the body to dump some more mercury into the bloodstream from internal organs (this way gou get the biggest bang for the buck as therapy can be quite expensive). It may take a few days for your body to feel toxic again or maybe only a few hours; in any case wait at least four days to start another DMSA campain.

You go on like this for a few months and your should feel progressivly better. About six months after Amalgam removal, in your case probably around April, you will likely start feeling worse, but this is normal and it will go away (Cutler warns about it and he is right).

About your side effects. Every person has somewhat divverent symptoms of mercury poisoning. When I get real sick from the mercury in me, my immune system gives up on me and nothing seems to work. When it happened last time, I took 100mg DMSA _every_ _hour_ during the day and 300mg every three hours during the night. Only this desparate move kick-started my immune system (only at this dose I experienced what I believe were side effects from DMSA). I am writing this not to recommend this to you but to tell you that I was there and lived to talk about it.

Take more DMSA and increase the frequency.

I wish you the best of health!

I keep thinking about it. I have a feeling there is something else behind your symptoms. They seem to intensify when you stop taking it. Is that right? Or do your symptoms pile up _while_ you are taking DMSA?

Before you take a higher dose, or try to increase the frequency, or try to extend the campaign, I think it would be wise to seriously consider the possibility that the dentist might not have done a complete job.

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I finally decided that the 15 Amalgam fillings in my mouth are the reason that I never get better, so I had them all removed in Oct 09.
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If you happen to have had root canals which were filled with mercury, they probably still are. I am speaking from painful experience. My last Amalgam filling, which was more of an Amalgam crown, pretty much removed itself in 2003 when it broke off. I had the root canals redone and was wrongly convinced the mercury was gone. Well, it was not.

I started having joint pains, food sensitivities . I pretty much could not eat anything. I was frequently ill with viral infections, sore throat and bronchitis. If I drank a sip of orange juice at room temperature I got bronchitis which could last for weeks. I pretty much tried to stay alive with prayers and 150mg zinc+histidine per day (in my case, nothing else worked). My face was yellow, my joints were painful and then it started to get worse. Some days it took me hours to get out of bed in excruciating pain. Then I started to lose eyesight. When I woke up, my eyes were glued. I had to use eye drops to unglue them and avoid injury and even then I would pretty much only see white blurred light for a long long time. No amount of tears would help.

Then the fibromyalgia symptoms set in.

Then I started to get floaters. First black ones. Then floaters like fireworks and this did it for me. I had two root canaled teeth removed surgically against the advice of three respected dentists. They could not see anything on Xrays. Guess what. I felt better within five seconds and 50 per cent of my problems were very much gone within a few days.

I have had one amalgam filled tooth and it almost killed me. You have had fifteen. If one of these teeth had ever had amalgam placed in it _and_ root canals done, it is probably still filled up with this toxic stuff. In this case, DMSA would releases mercury and while it does "escort it to the exit", new mercury is in ample supply and once DMSA levels drop all hell breaks loose.

What do you think?

Hi
When I read your link this afternoon, I thought this info might be of use to you. I found the information astounding, especially the foods that contain heavy metals something I never ever considered.

Best wishes
Robin
http://www.webdeb.com/q-machine/heavy-metal-detox.htm

Barley contains gluten which will make all your autoimmune issues worse, especially thyroid issues. Get off all gluten! Avoid wheat, barley and rye.

Hi,
I had the same problems with joint pain after chelation with DMSA. I cured the problem with taking Omega-3, MSM, Chondroitin and Glucosamine orally. And by using a cream with the three latter ingredients like this one: https://www.newton-everett.com/(S(sqklzj2hwgk4i445zmgdymyy))/product_detail.aspx?PID=1723&CID=0
If you have bilateral pain, and want to test it out, you could use just the cream, and apply it on only one side of the body. If it works, you should be able to feel the difference between the treated side, and the non-treated side within a few days.
I don't know why this works, but my personal theory is that it has something to do with sulphur.
Mercury has a great affinity to sulphur, and binds to it when it is available. While DMSA is sulphur-based, DMSA and mercury might work together in a chemical reaction where sulphur is harvested, and taken out of the body.
MSM, Chondroitin and Glucosamine are all sulphur-based, and seem to supplement the cartilage with sulphur.
So if this theory is correct, things work by replenishing the sulphur lost during chelation. But I have no facilities to test this, so it is pure speculation.