sadpanda, im glad to hear that. i forget if you are a patient of dr. buttar's? I remember a few threads of IV DMPS and Dr. Buttar's name coming up.



Jameskep37, edta is not a very effective chelator of mercury. DMPS has a very strong attraction to mercury but it is, like any other drug, very important that you have a doctor who has been trained in its use. There are not many. There are many that do chelation therapy but not many that use proper methods like Dr. Buttar's and the ones of the Center for Advanced Medicine.

EDTA mainly chelates calcium, magnesium and iron. These are used by microbes to maintain biofilms, so EDTA is very effective at breaking up biofilms.

Biofilms can hold on to various heavy metals, so taking EDTA can release a lot of toxic material very quickly when a chunk of biofilm breaks up.

It can also cause rapid hypocalcemia and stop your heart.

So it's also something to be used with caution.

T.

So interesting. It makes me think of gingivitis, how collagen cells get phagocytosed because of bacterial toxins interfering with collagen metabolism.

Btw, you can upload pics by going to the images link on the main page for this forum, upload the pic, and copy/paste the link under the pic into the body of a message. Or, if the image is on another site, just copy the link location by right clicking, select "copy link location," then paste into a message.

So, here's a few ideas that are probably completely wrong, but maybe something in them will trigger another idea.

First, how bacterial toxins (lipopolysaccharides) cause errors in collagen metabolism. Basically, causing your body to mistakenly phagocytose the collagen. This could be a starting point for more research.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18402614


This is the molecule that normally regulates collagen phagocytosis, call Decorin. You could try supplementing it's precursors in case there's a deficiency.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15811857


Precursors to Decorin. It looks like it relies on the amino acid Leucine, Chondroitin Sulfate and Glucoseaminoglycans, one of which is glucosamine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decorin


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycosaminoglycan


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leucine


Leucine is one of the Branched Chain Amino Acids used by body builders and for a number of conditions, including ALS, which is a sclerotic disease:

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1005-BRANCHED-CHAIN%...


It would be real easy to supplement BCAA's and Glucosamin/Chondroitin to see if it helps. And try to reduce LPS, which is difficult. Properly functioning bile is your main defense/detox against these.

Lipopolysaccharides (LPS) are cell wall fragments of gram negative bacteria that are super toxic, can cause endotoxemia, but people with chronic overgrowths become overloaded and then more tolerant to them. They're thought to play a major role in autoimmune/autoinflammatory diseases, even autism.

http://microbialinfluence.com/SCD.html


I tried searching collagen + autoimmune and found a lot of disorders, but they all appear to be systemic, not specific to the face. It's very odd.

Anyway, I hope something in there helps you or sparks anther idea.

T.