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hi, i took Colloidal Silver back in august, it is possibly the strongest anti-bacterium i have ever taken(even stronger than olive leaf extract), needless to say the herxheimer i experienced was unbelievable and is still here in january.
however, through coffee enemas, and general understanding of the benefits of colon and liver cleansing, i'm beginning to wonder whether anti-fungals are really that important in combatting candida. ive lso read one site where a lady said that no one should ever have to go through a healing crisis and thats its possibly the worst thing for your health. its basically just a sign of you liver being overloaded with added toxins caused by killing candida, which can be easily remedied by coffee enemas( as long as you do thorough Colon Cleanse beforehand)
does anyone agree with me that colon and liver cleasning are the most important aspects of an anti-candida program or does everyone think anti-fungals are compulsory? i just don't want anyone going through extended herxheimers(which can be nightmares) and thinking its a good thing when its actually the exact opposite and can be sorted out quite easily through clon and liver cleansing.
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- Great question Johnny Vegas
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MoreThis is a reply to # 285,185Its a great question you asked.
I don't believe a herxheimer can last 5 months!! It should go a day or two after you stop the treatment. So either something you are doing now is giving you a herx, or you don't have a herx.
There are 2 schools of thought regarding antifungals. Some people swear by them. Others swear against them. In general the worse your candida, the less useful antifungals seem to be.
I think those comments about a healing crisis you quoted are certainly very interesting. Again there are two schools of thought. One says you have to get worse before you get better. Another says you just get better. Who is right? I can not say as I have not recovered yet.
You have stumbled on what is perhaps the most important unsolved problem in candida therapy. It certainly deserves to be answered, but as yet I don't have the answer.
JV.
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This is a reply to # 285,188thanks for response, it certainly is interesting topic which i feel is the very crux of the whole candida issue, like you said.
on my herxheimer.......
5 months i kid you not(could have been alot longer). my symptoms are fatigue and puffy eyes and basicaly i can tell how bad my candida/allergy symptoms are by how puffy my eyes are. after i took silver i took a turn for the worse big-time, discovered it was healing crisis, patiently waited thinking it was a good thing and would pass, as you said, in a couple of days, but then days, weeks, and months passed with only gradual reduction in symptoms. i was gradually, very gradually, getting better but going through unbelievably long and nightmarish healing cycles(feel better, then worse, then good) (worse was about 90% of the time).
i'm only 22 years old but my detoxification and eliminitive systems must have been truly screwed since birth(i had gradually been getting more and more tired as i got older, reached peak at 16 and has been constant since then, leaky gut nust have kicked in at 16)). thats probably why i had such an exaggerated herxheimer, my colon was probably already overloaded with crap before i took Colloidal Silver ! i now know i had some auto-intoxification going on, i mean i barely took any silver, how can i be going through a herxheimer for that long?
i truly believe if i hadn't of woken up and realised how important colon and Liver Cleanses were, i would still be needlessly going through ridiculously long healing cycles for god knows how long.
as i speak, ive just ordered Oxypowder (meant to be brilliant for colon cleansing) so i can fully sort out colon and then coffee enemas will have greater effect.
REGARDS M
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This is a reply to # 285,185I am one of those that is against them. Completely against drug antifungals- and for the most part against natural antifungals depending on how and why they are used.
i tried both, and though had short term symptom reduction, i believe antifungals are just that, something to treat symptoms. I don't believe killing candida is the answer, but rather addressing the issues why it went into overgrowth mode.
yes this issue is debated often, and others will disagree with me, and that's fine. you need to go with your gut instinct and figure out what will work for you. for me, it was cleansing big time (liver, colon kidney), eating a healthy diet, exercise and a host of other things to live more naturally. if you search though my old postings, you can get a feel for what i did.
I basically followed the advice of Andreas Moritz who has a forum here (ask Andreas) and several great books you can get from his web site. www.ener-chi.com. If you are curious about his approach, just search in the curezone search function with terms like "andmor candida" or "andmor antifungal" (he signs his messages "andmor"). He is against antifungals for reasons fully set out in his forum that i don't want to get into here.
Personally, i know antifungals are not necessary (and may delay a real cure) as i made it without them.
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This is a reply to # 285,192cheers for your point of view. after reading that im getting more and more convinced that anti-fungals are not necessary and make things alot messier inside the complex world that is the human body. ill try and read some of andreas stuff. cheers.
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This is a reply to # 285,192improving every day.
I started off with a colon cleanse
Then i did a kidney cleanse
Then i started Liver Flushing and all the while i was following the ayurvedic principals for my dosha and a whole new way of life!
I have just done my 11th Liver Flush and have had a major breakthrough with candida,digestion and my health in general!
I feel GREAT for the first time in nearly two years.
And if it wasnt for me finding Andreas`s book and it being such an eye opener to me, then i would probably be in hospital right now or even worse!
I was on the verge of giving up altogether!
Forget drugs!
They only hide the symptoms
Cleanse your body as a whole and read,read,read all you can about natural healing as that is the ONLY way to go!
:-)
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This is a reply to # 285,195Shags-
your post really gave me a good feeling. you sound alot like me. Good job and congratulations on working your way back to life.
John g
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This is a reply to # 285,185I totally overdid antifungals, and that can and did stress the liver. I was full to the brim with candida when I started out and took massive doses for close to 2 years, then on and off for another coupld of months, and then I caught on to the liver connection, and it is right on the money IMHO. If I were to do over, I would take some antifungals in the beginning for a month or 2 just to get the population down, and then wean off, graduating to liver support and focusing on liver and detoxing. I would switch at the first sign of toxicity, which is different than herx (and maybe what you are dealing with - you may want to try some Chlorella and Blue Green Algae to bind metals so they can be eliminated, which is what helped get things back on track for me). If the liver cannot process the amount of toxins you are releasing, they will circulate and cause much grief. But yeah, healing overall is a much bigger picture.
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This is a reply to # 285,185I was on Diflucan for about 4 months and my health declined even more after that so I'm through with the anti-fungals for good. I started Liver Flushing in Oct. and I'm staying with the cleansing and thinking about giving the fermented foods a shot.
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This is a reply to # 285,203I was on Diflucan for about 4 months and my health declined even more after that so I'm through with the anti-fungals for good. I started Liver Flushing in Oct. and I'm staying with the cleansing and thinking about giving the fermented foods a shot.
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This is a reply to # 285,204Colloidal Silver , olive leaf extract. believe silver is the most lethal anti-fungal out there. literally destroys any bacteria within minutes.
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This is a reply to # 285,204Hi Mage,
The list is as follows:
Nystatin
Diflucan
Sporonax
Garlic
Olive leaf
Grapefruit seed
Capricin
Oil of Oregano
Sure, they all gave me massive die off, in fact, I feel like I have been in die off for the past 10 months and I'm still really sick, so obviously they are not a cure all. I am now strongly concentrating on cleansing and building my immune system and of course, loads of probiotics in hopes that my body will eventually heal itself.
I've read that the anti-fungals do kill some, but what remains, in a sense mutates into an even stronger form because of it. Really creepy, I told my husband just yesterday it almost like this crap inside us all thats making us sick has a mind and can think and reason and actually has the ability to plan a stronger attack.
There is a man named "Tom" that posts on the healthyawareness.com site that responded to a post titled "I'm lost ...experts please advise" from "Bill" that I found very insightful. Tom has been battling this for 20 years and he described what this monster inside all of us is trying to do to our bodies. It really is worth popping over and reading.
Good luck with your battle
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Hi Mage,
The list is as follows:
Nystatin
Diflucan
Sporonax
Garlic
Olive leaf
Grapefruit seed
Capricin
Oil of Oregano
Sure, they all gave me massive die off, in fact, I feel like I have been in die off for the past 10 months and I'm still really sick, so obviously they are not a cure all. I am now strongly concentrating on cleansing and building my immune system and of course, loads of probiotics in hopes that my body will eventually heal itself.
I've read that the anti-fungals do kill some, but what remains, in a sense mutates into an even stronger form because of it. Really creepy, I told my husband just yesterday it almost like this crap inside us all thats making us sick has a mind and can think and reason and actually has the ability to plan a stronger attack.
There is a man named "Tom" that posts on the healthyawareness.com site that responded to a post titled "help, I'm lost" from "Chris", I think anyway, Tom has been battling this nightmare for 20 years and his description of the monster inside us and what it is trying to do to us was excellent. It's really worth popping over and reading it.
Best wishes and good luck with your battle
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This is a reply to # 285,208Deb, thanks so much! I am sorry to hear that you are not feeling well. I can understand and relate to what you must be going though.
I will certainly look into the site you recommended. Sounds as though that will be informative. Thanks for passing that along!
I was curious what others were using in regards to anti-fungals.
My health is becoming worse, and I am never sure what is what! I have Mercury Poisioning, candidia being a result of that. So I'm never sure if the symptoms that I have are from one or the other, most likely a combo of each.
I recently started lemon water and adding suppliments...very slowly. I have been unable to suppliment at all for the past 4 years, and was on the "candidia diet" long before I knew what the candidia diet was. lol I have multi-food sensitivites and mult-chemical sensitivies because of the MT.
One of the suppliments I started was Kyolic (sp?) the garlic formula, because I can't tolerate eating garlic. It also has some of the other vits including selenium, which i desperatly need. Oh, and coconut oil too. Other than these, nothing else that I'm taking is anti-fungal.
The fatigue and lethargy has been overwhelming for the past 2 months, and I have been forced to take a leave from work. Which may not be such a bad thing, I can now focus on my health.
I was an avid exerciser, working out at least an hour and a half daily. Did this for many many years. Was athletic most of my life. Now walking up the stairs in enough to put me in a huff!
When it seems as though I may be approaching a corner to turn, so to speak, it turns around and heads the other way! This whole process for the past 4 years has been 1 step foward, 2 sometimes 4 back. This last time around is the 4th back!
Beginning my first Bowel Cleanse go-around. Did a few coffee enemas, just once a week to start. Never know when enough is enough though! lol Do the first one, plain water, then a bag of coffee, then a bag of water, and there is still stuff coming out after that. Last time I did another water bag, and there was still stuff. About 3 hours later and feeling like an overcooked piece of spagetti, I called it a day. Wheew!
Anyway, thanks so much for reading my ramble. I do hope that you and all the rest of us are on the right path to wellness. It is good to know that we are not alone!
Blessings,
Mage
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This is a reply to # 285,185Antifungals make all my symptoms worse after taking them. I am never taking them again. I have tried so often in the past and just ended up in an even worse toxic mess. My focus is on liver support with herbs and nutrients (although I have not liver flushed yet), a healthy Diet (excluding my intolerances, Sugar and yeast free blah blah..) , fresh air, sunlight and most important above anything - exercise. Two hours walking my dogs gives me die-off anyway without spending money on stuff that doesnt work.
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Antifungals make all my symptoms worse after taking them. I am never taking them again. I have tried so often in the past and just ended up in an even worse toxic mess. My focus is on liver support with herbs and nutrients (although I have not liver flushed yet), a healthy Diet (excluding my intolerances, Sugar and yeast free blah blah..) , fresh air, sunlight and most important above anything - exercise. Two hours walking my dogs gives me die-off anyway without spending money on stuff that doesnt work. - to MAZZA Jhan
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This is a reply to # 285,185liver and Colon Cleanses are essential...
and so is the all too often forgotten kidney cleanse (a fast)
but antifungals will only ease the symptoms.
i use garlic in my vagina to ease the yeast infection there that's all.
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