Re: proper use

I could try to smoke some marijuana and learn if it relieves me of my pain and discomfort but I am 99.99 % sure that the marijuana is not going to address the associated problem with the knee itself...rather the marijuana is going to simply relieve me of the discomfort and make me feel comfortable and at ease with the condition."

See how you are ignorant of the proper use of cannabis. You could simply use a cannabis salve, That would make the pain go away and you wouldn't have to smoke at all.

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***As I said, the marijuana is not going to address the core problems with cartilage degeneration.
I am not looking for the pain to go away by way of a drug that does not address the core problem.
Explain to me what is in Marijuana that is going to address the core problems of cartilage degeneration and lack of the natural lubricating substances that in part cause the problems.

Oh, I get your meaning: Marijuana is essential to your joints and proven so in hundreds of years worth of totally unscientific consumption so we should listen to doctor marijuana who recommends first hand, before anything else, that marijuana should be tried for such problems rather than ingesting the actual natural substances that are found to be lacking in the knee joints and tendons associated with osteoporosis and knee cartilage degeneration know as osteoarthritis

As I said I am 99.99 % certain that marijuana taken in any way is not going to address the core problems associated with the knee joint degeneration.

For relief of the pain...to make the pain go away ...while consuming the marijuana in any way and while stoned, very well could be used to make the pain go away but I know for sure marijuana is not a cartilage support and cartilage generation substance that is going to reverse the condition.
Other substances have been proven to address the core problem..not mask the problem and cover it with pain killing abilities.

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I take the formula and the condition "does go away" because the ingredients are part of the associated knee function and relative to the associated problems of cartilage degeneration."


Well is that formula really essential?

**According to all the years of research I have performed it is essential by way of understanding what natural elements are essential to the body to generate and maintain the various substances that are involved in the workings of the joints and their continued integrity
All info can be found on the internet and like I said: It works for me and as long as I take the formula then the condition goes away and I do not feel the pain any more.
When I stop taking the formula then it slowly comes back.
If I ate a much healthier diet then possibly the diet aspect can reverse the problem or to a limited extent.
I would choose Vitamin and Mineral supplements first before I tried Marijuana. Also I am weighing more than before and that puts extra weight on the joint and creates compaction more than before.
I used to exercise on a regular basis but not so much any more.
I would choose going to the fitness center long, long before I choose to take marijuana...even if it is proven to help prevent the conditions of osteoporosis or help to reverse the conditions.
Meantime the joint formula works well and I am 99.99% certain there are no side effects and certainly no altered mental and physical effects (as in intoxication after consuming marijuana)

Meantime I have just looked up " Marijuana and Osteoporosis" on the internet and you see all kinds of "promising" data and clinical studies performed and suggestions along with some websites refuting any of the tests and clinical studies saying that marijuana consumption does prevent or reverse joint related degenerative conditions.
Most of them do suggest that the marijuana will help relieve you of the pain.
Please take note there are many web sites that also suggest and indicate that marijuana consumption increases the chances of osteoporosis with the consumption of marijuana.

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"I envision all the more people turning to marijuana to solve their medical conditions when that is not the correct way to address the medical condition and solve the associated problems of the condition."

You can envision whatever you want, that’s not going to make it true.

*** You can also believe it will "not happen" if you want to think or believe that it does not happen at present with many of the other presently legal drugs.
All part of the health problems of the developed countries where they have easy access to drugs and the medical system prescribes them a drug rather than working at trying to find the real solution to the problem and trying to resolve the medical condition with better diet or more exercise and less alcohol or cigarettes. Trying Vitamin and Mineral supplements and or a long list of natural substances available and alternatives other than a drug prescription.
Why would Marijuana as a legal drug substance not also be utilized that same as other drugs that people want and use for a quick fix.
You explain to me exactly why it would not, to an extent, be used that way and believed to be a "cure all" and quick fix like so many other drugs that are touted and used as such.
Why…because you say so?

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"It will become way too easy for people to smoke some marijuana and then claim they feel better while stoned on the marijuana while not correctly addressing the root of the problem."

Pure speculation and all that would be able to be addressed if cannabis was legal.

*** And you explain to me why exactly it would not go that route, to an extent, at least and how it would be addressed once it is legal.
Just because it is legal does not stop people from consuming it in the belief that the drug is going to reverse some serious medical condition and self administer the drug to themselves in the belief that the drug is going to reverse the medical condition they have.
I hear you adamantly supporting the drug for medical purposes and I am certain you are trying to tell many people it is a very useful drug and many people believe you.
No need to go to the doctor if it is legal. Just go to the local 7/11 and get your legal marijuana and smoke it and get stoned and then believe what someone told you (such as yourself...Doctor marijuana)...that it is known to cure this and cure that and it is better than the other drugs and natural and safer also and less side effects etc. etc. etc. along with all the positive hype and promotion of the drug substance.

You can assure me that is not going to happen at all?

Far from pure speculation, as you state, as we see people self administrating drugs and self made remedies to themselves ALL the time.
Many of them actually work well but many of them do not and the patient / person should have been properly diagnosed and certainly should not have believed that the marijuana was reversing the medical condition when it was actually not helping and possibly making matters worse and or just masking the condition.
But you can believe that never happens...If you want.
I know differently from researching it on the internet.
You can do your own research and learn the extent of what I am pointing out.

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“I envision legal medical marijuana becoming just one more quick fix drug used and recommended by people and or physicians to relieve people of what ails them rather than understanding that there are better natural choices and or lifestyle choices that can eliminate the problems or relieve the patient of the problems but not by way of a drug effect type of substance administered to the patient."

Cannabis is natural, been used thousands of years, envision all you want, but please take reality into account.

*** Cannabis is also a drug! The consumption rate of the drug back then as compared to the volumes consumed now were far less in times gone past and it was far less potent in times gone past.
The new potency is stated and confirmed by many of the pro drug websites and the anti drug websites.

Not to say it does not have any medical benefits, I know marijuana has numerous medical benefits but once it becomes legal then why would there be a need to have it regulated as a medical substance when you can simply go buy it in its various strengths from the many legal suppliers selling it for recreational uses.

How is your new system going to account for the medicinal aspects of marijuana after it is legalized verses the recreational use of the drug.
I can assure you people and corporations will be promoting it and selling it as a cure all for many ailments (more so then it is already promoted as such now) just to create larger markets and trying to sell more of it.
If you think the legal suppliers will not be trying to market it and sell it any way they can, to make all the more profit, then you must live in a sheltered existence.
We will learn just how the government handles that aspect of marketing legal marijuana in America and what amount of health warnings are attached to the consumption while the other half is disputing those warnings and telling the consumers to take it for what ever ails you because “Marijuana is all Natural".....as you so adamantly state in your arguments for its consumption as a medicinal substance.

If marijuana is to also be sold as a medical substance, will it have to be supplied and sold separately from the same drug that is being sold as a recreational substance??
What is your answer to that?

Your know it all answer to that will be interesting to read. Explain what is it that will stop anyone that wants it for medical purposes from simply getting it from the recreational purposes suppliers.

You explain to me in detail why those that are legally allowed to sell marijuana would be or should be allowed to advertise its known or supposed health and medical benefits and why they should not be restricted with laws or rules relative to how it is promoted and advertised as such??
And if they are allowed to sell it as a medicinal product then what sort of liabilities and accountabilities should they have to accept, the same as supplying any product to the public and especially if they are telling consumers it can be used as a ( proven ?) medicinal substance and based on who’s proof? The experienced pot heads or habitual users of the drug?
No……it will have to be based on scientific research and proof and until the public buys into that proof and or the governments and people in positions of accountability and authority are convinced the product is safe "eneough" as a medicinal substance for mass consumption, then that aspect of marijuana consumption will remain in question.

If they do want to promote it or sell it as a legal, scientifically proven medicinal substance then the substance will certainly have to come under the FDA rules and regulations.
If you think it will not come under FDA rules and regulations then I would be very, very surprised that it did not. Very surprised, as I am certain it would not avoid it when anyone or any company legally states marijuana to be a medicinal substance and sold as such.
Now you’re into a whole new world of legalities and you, by way of your anti government feelings, would really be pissed at all the regulations involved to legally sell it as a legal medical substance.

You may say: Nope, it won’t go that way but I would be willing to put my money where my mouth is and that is what will happen.

Colloidal Silver is a perfect example: Better than Antibiotics and an ultra natural substance and no known harmful effects ( it is disputed but so far nothing to be concerned about) and people can make their own at home for very cheaply.
The FDA will not allow you or any company to advertise and or sell it as a "medicinal substance or medicinal value product"
If you do you will be in violation of all kinds of rules and regulations and laws and the penalties are surprisingly harsh.
It is not an approved product by the FDA and they enforce their rulings.

While marijuana remains illegal it does not come under the radar of the FDA ...but once it does become legal and people WANT and or TRY to sell it as a LEGAL medicinal cure for medical problems then they will be subject to the FDA and if the FDA does not approve it then you will be illegally selling a substance that is deemed illegal to sell by the FDA.
I wish it was not that way but at the same time the public does not want the product available as a medicinal substance without the approval of the FDA and the legal recourse that it affords the consumers when FDA approved products do cause people harm.
There is a BIG, BIG liability and accountability factor attached to any legal drugs that are sold in mass to the consumers at large and the suppliers of cannabis related drug substances sold for medicinal purposes to the public. The marijuana will also come under the same rules and regulations, laws and conditions required by the FDA.
Why should marijuana for medicinal proposes receive any special privileges?

Because the seasoned marijuana consumers assure the public it is safe to legally consume it??

If I am mistaken then please enlighten me as to how marijuana will be legally sold as a medicine with the approval of the FDA and all the regulations attached.

Also...if some of the consumption of the drug is to be used specifically for medical purposes then how is that going to work when it is legal to walk into any place that sells it legally for recreational purposes that can supply the same marijuana to be used for medical purposes???

You have the answers of course. Or better yet, there will be no problems after legalization so no need for you to address any hypothetical problems. Right?
Just dismiss them as opinion..correct.

Tell me now truthfully...if it was legalized and sold as a medicinal substance, just as you adamantly say it should be sold as such and approved by the FDA and the physicians of America and the drug companies etc. and it became a mainstream medical product and the end result included all the necessary scheduled doctors appointments and doctor approved prescriptions and all the same “jump through the hoops headaches” that is attached to all the other government FDA approved LEGAL drugs, on top of not been cheap to buy ....I want to honestly hear you state that you would not buy any contraband illegal marijuana when and if it comes available with no taxes and silly regulations etc. etc. AND it is sold for half the price of the FDA approved drug and it is being sold by an illegal supplier.
You would not buy it of course because that would be illegal right?

Read the following articles and you get an idea of the conflicting dilemma that will evolve when people try or want to sell the marijuana LEGALLY as a medicinal product and the FDA has not approved it

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/21/health/21marijuana.html


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5356029


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/531038


I AM NOT TAKING ANY SIDES ON THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THE DEBATE ...I AM JUST POINTING OUT ONE MORE VERY LARGE PROBLEM THAT WILL BE ALL THE MORE OF A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE CONCERNING LEGALISED MARIJUANA RELATIVE TO ITS STATED TO BE MEDICAL USES AND THE FDA POSITION.
YOU CAN NOT EXPECT IT TO BE LEGALLY SOLD AS A MEDICINE UNTIL IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN TO BE AND ACCEPTED AS SUCH BY THE FDA, REGARDLESS OF THE MANY EXISTING SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT PROVE IT HAS CONFIRMED MEDICINAL USES.
IF YOU CAN NOT GET THE APPROVAL OF THE FDA THEN IT WILL NOT BE ALOWED TO BE ADVERTISED, PROMOTED OR SOLD AS A MEDICAL SUBSTANCE.
IF YOU ARE DEALLING WITH THE FDA THEN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND LAWS MAY BE FAR MORE OF A HEADACHE THAN THEY ARE WORTH, SO MAYBE, BETTER IT REMAINS ILLEGAL IN THAT RESPECT

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"Once the drug becomes part of the mainstream medicinal products available for consumers to choose you can be assured it will be misused and abused and corrupted and touted as a cure all for what ever ails you rather than practising better health and better lifestyle choices."

Thats right no drug will change peoples choices, which is counter to what you have been stating.

*** What is counter to what I have been saying??
Explain yourself.
I am pointing out that marijuana will be the same or similar in respect to how people use the drug and misuse the drug and how people will profit from it in unethical ways while the consumers are mislead about what exactly it is they are consuming.
Marijuana, the wonder substance, will not be immune from the corruption and profiteering because people believe it is so much better than the other drug substances.
Once it becomes a mainstream consumer product it will naturally have to come with liabilities and accountabilities for those that cultivate it and sell it and market it to those that consume it.
At present it is illegal, so the product does not fall under legal regulations and legal consumer guidelines.
California is a good example and the cultivation and supply system there works fairly well, but it is not without its numerous issues.
However the legal cultivation has not yet come under federal laws and regulations and or the approval of numerous other government entities including the FDA.
Once it does then any legal cultivator and supplier can and will be subject to the legalities of supplying a product that is to be consumed with caution and restraint because of its drug effects and therefore any perceived or known liabilities associated with selling consumers a substance that leaves them in a altered mental and physical state such that they are classified as “intoxicated” by the substance and the substance is classified as an intoxicant.
If legally sold as a substance for medicinal purposes then the manufacture and suppliers will come under all kinds of regulations and liabilities and accountability.
If you’re all natural substance makes people ill and they have adverse side effects you can expect to see law suits evolve the way that the legal drug manufactures are being sued and the tobacco companies are also being sued.
If you think that is NOT going to happen in law suit happy America then you are not informed.
To what extent is the question?
I can assure you not all will be well in the world of legalized marijuana consumption and I envision the pot heads and habitual consumers of pot in the future complaining about legal marijuana consumption and reminiscing about the “good old days” before legalization and angry about all the a**ho**s that had it legalized when it was just fine the way it used to be.

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"The scam artists and con men are waiting in the shadows for this one to become a regular mainstrem medicine to be sold to the public."

You mean like hundreds of years ago when it was legal and was commonly accepted as a medicine? They wouldn't be called scam artists and con men if they push something that actually helps.

***Do you live in the past or do you live in the year 2011.
What happened in the past is not always significantly relevant to what is happening now.
The consumption was not as wide spread as you may believe and although it was consumed by many it does not change the fact that not all aspects of the consumption are positive.
In today’s world there are many people who sell products to the mass of consumers who are far from trustworthy and honorable in what they sell and how they sell it.
The legal substance known as marijuana will also be prey to the low lives and crooks that will market the products with all kinds of hype and promotion and take the money and run.
Mail order fraud would be one way.
Buy your legal cannabis by mail order and receive low grade inferior products.
Anyhow , you will see the scams and the cheating perpetrated and more than likely you will see it perpetrated by the large legally authorized companies…similar to the tobacco companies.
How exactly I do not know and you may say it is pure speculation but I am certain the scam artists and con men will also find ways to profiteer with legal marijuana as they really are quite clever.

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"If it is proven that specific elements derived from cannabis can be applied to the patients medical condition then then I would support it, of course."

That is the whole problem with Mode-earn drugs. They are not natural, they are refined substances which are not complete. Marinol is the perfect example of a failed pharmaceutical that tries to mimick a natural herbs potency.


**I do not really support the use of the chemically made drugs that are so common in the market place.
I know well that many of them are highly addictive but they come with legal responsibilities.
If you can derive certain elements from the cannabis plant(s) and use them for medicinal purposes, without the drug effects (intoxication) then there is no real argument against the use of cannabis derived medicinal products.
But once again it would eventually come under the FDA and other government entities if it is / was to be sold as such while being marketed as a product / substance that has proven medical benefits.
So, once again, is it going to be sold as a legal recreational substance or as legal medicinal substance and how would you define the difference between the 2 categories??

Remembering, that alcohol and tobacco are sold as recreational substances and not medicinal substances.

Remembering, that many of the drugs substances are derived from natural substances such as Cocaine, or Opium and the resulting products are sold as medicinal use products but not as recreational use products.

Those derivatives are legally available but come under strict government guidelines and laws relative to their uses in any manufactured products to be sold to consumers and especially if they are used in medicinal formulas and products.

Again, where will marijuana fit into the scheme of things as a medicinal product and or a recreational product??

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"Anyhow...if it is drug you can expect good intentions to run amuck more so than most other substances."


Any time money is involved we can be sure there will be problems.
For the Love of money is the root of all evil.
Welcome to mode-earn society.

***Well…..as I pointed out before…drug money is some of the most sinister money around and I would not be so quick to use that Phrase:
For the love of money is the root of all evil

There are plenty of nasty evil people around who are just plain nasty and evil without any money involved.

However, when it comes to the illegal drugs then the drug money or the money from drugs attracts the most nefarious nasty types more so than other money making enterprises.
Even when the drug is legal I would confidently surmize it still attracts more sinister types than other legal businesses.

You can disagree if you want and I near expect you to anyhow.