Steps: Injectable Ivermectin 
willtheory
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As a recap for other viewers i will post the main idea here:
In chronic disseminated disease, especially helminthic disease, a condition known as Parylitic Ileus will arise. This will cause malabsorbtion of herbs, vitamins, and most importantly clinically proven super-effective drugs like Ivermectin.
My theory is that oral administration has been failing for us CureZoner's because of reduced absorbtion.
The only way to get ANY substance RELIABLY into the bloodstream is to inject it. Pour-on formulations may or may not work depending on different factors. Any experience here would be very informative.
So subcutaneous injection of Ivermectin would be the cure for disseminated strongyloides (what i believe causes my Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome and other symptoms).
Here are some case studies to demonstrate my point:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10615895
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/41/1/e5.full
http://www.springerlink.com/content/lw8426758830902p/
http://www.experts.scival.com/miami/pubDetail.asp?t=pm&id=19144097&o_id=7&
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16282302
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=20120552
http://www.ajtmh.org/content/73/1/122.full
If I am right this should work right away and the effect should be HUGE. Night and day. Exceptions are unless there is (a)very low serum albumin levels (b)resistance to said medication in which case it does not work and find another injectable drug. Multidrug resistance is very uncommon among helminths. (b)you do not have susceptible organsisms in which case find a drug that works in your range that has a parenteral formulation. or you have some kind of bacterial fungal or viral infection.
Within hopefully 7 doses you should be 100% cured of susceptible organsism. For those with roundworm, once cured of Parylitic ileus it would be wise to use Albendazole because this enters the CSF/BBB(brain) and ivermectin DOES NOT.
Ivermectin also does not have 100% kill rate against eggs. Also in a certain study combining Praz/Alben/Iver they showed no extra toxicity (QUITE NON TOXIC ANYWAYS) and i beleive MUCH INCREASED EFFECTIVENESS against all stages. this is also shown with the protein Bt and the new drug tribendimine in the treatment of roundworms(video is online). so i would try to combine treatments once (hopefully) you intestinal absorbtion has increased.
ONE MORE THING. the inflamation from the dead bodies of the worms and possible toxins they release may cause serious EVEN DANGEROUS pathology and it would be WISE to use some kind of anti-inflammitory hopefully something strong like prednisone or methylprednisilone probably injectable. Steroids are bad for and could increase your risk of viral bacterial or fungal secondary infection after parasite wipeout but it would be wise to have some form of anti-inflammitory on hand as brain swelling can kill you and other things as well.
Coadministration of corticosteroids with albendazole i believe can increase CSF levels of the drug.
Another thing buy an ELISA test kit if you can manage to find one online and check every 6 months to see if there is antigen. 6 months is the general amount of time it takes to clear out of the body.
GOOD LUCK!
Steps:
remember corticosteroids are BAD for you and suppress the immune system. only use them in Emergencies. you will have to tough out the inflammation if you are not in direct danger. Im sure there are nutritional substances that could help dealing with constant parasites die-off inflammation.
Yes doctors on all fronts are dark age zombies dont trust them with your life!
The urticaria(hives) and rashes is a really good sign of parasite infestation and the chronic antihistamine benadryl usage is dangerous for someone with your condition because mast cells are so important in fighting helminths. thats why helminthic therapy works so well!
remember WHENEVER you see a real worm SAVE IT and preserve it best you can because there will be a doctor out there who can take it in with an open mind and diagnose it. if anything you may be able to persuade them to give you an ELISA test.
It sounds like youve picked up alot of good information dont give up!
Given your symptoms id say you are dealing with a MAJOR helminthic infestation.
Unfortunatley it seems you are dealing with all classes of helminthes as well based on what you have told me. You will probably need 2-5 different drugs to treat all of them.
Tell your doc about Parenteral antihelminthic therapy and show him the studies.
Bactrim seems nontoxic enough but the problem may well be that you have trouble absorbing Antibiotics as well.
Your doctor is probably right and you have copathogenic bacterial infection. i would not count out viral or fungal or toxic suppressers either.
It sounds like you need a full body rejuvenation as id call it.
For toxins id use Living Clay. For viruses bacteria and fungus i would use things like nutrients, silver, blood electrifier, Rife machine, xylitol, D-mannose, right handed oleuropein (left sided doesnt work apparently) monolaurin, undecenoic acid, oregano oil, sutherlandia opc, ozone, Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , probiotics, UBI therapy, FSM therapy and others. (I can go on forever)
But it all starts with the parenteral antihelmintic(s)!
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This is a reply to # 1,814,230Where have you been? I am so emotional right now and happy!
Where do I start? I love tapping into my resourses...!!!
Could you give me a protocol given my experiences and are you suggesting I stop the anti-histamines for now and bite the bullet? The flare up was very strong recently and for the very first time in years it lasted the least amount of time!
Typically the rashes/hives for years would last from 2-4 months. Last year before I began my treatments the hives were ever so increasing and were longer term.2009 it was almost non-stop.
The good sign is that since I started treatment the hives would appear and then they would dissapate within weeks to a month instead of a series of months to the point of rarely a break at all.
Please go on...
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This is a reply to # 1,814,230interesting reading that I will check those links out you have provided.
my disseminated roundworm infection is mainly in my scalp and facial area but I have felt them around my body too.
I have never injected before although I did buy the 30g and 32g needles and Ivomec months back but not used this method because there is no reference to rely on about injecting the scalp or face and is could be risky with infection.
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This is a reply to # 1,814,282Welcome back wheretheresawill!!
I am getting better with my disseminated parasite battle from using a longer term use of prazinquantel for 10 days straight again for the second time in 2 months. I did experience a severe die off and I am glad to say it ended yesterday with only a few doses of benedryl as opposed to months of hives...yeah!
Now , I do have a secondary problem, my hands :
they shriveled up
it looked as though I had developed some sort of bacteria or fungus that spread from my index finger and through itching onto all phalanges and the palm area as well.(only limited to the hands)
I used Germ -a Clenz and it worked like a charm..cleared it up and it looks good right now. Also I added tea tree oil to the nail beds and it helped some too since I ran out of Germ-a Clenz.
Now the other problem, the discoloration of nails:
This is not a good sign at all.
This may in fact be my own doing... for I haven't been eating, cooking much, nor taking my vitamins
I just don't feel like it, I am just exhausted.
I decided to quit the drugs early this round for I felt my body needed a break and too many events to attend for a few weeks.
I did add cellfood and it seems to be assisting with my nail discoloration for it is somewhat alleviated and they are starting to turn around and my hands are cleared up but the itching remains.
I tried to take some neem and other products to assit the liver and to detox and within a few minutes I broke out and that leathery patch appeared on my neck..this is a classic sign of buski flukes.
So the clay detox, I need to look into that for now, I have only used the vinegar,epsom salt, and hydrogen peroxide baths.
I still have flukes and after ingesting some canned pumpkin, wheat germ and some molasses it sent them screaming to exit my intestional tract..again and the next day unfortunately I am seeing those long brown worms again.
So, after months of treatment, I am still infected with the same parasites!
How do I cure this parylitic ileus?? - Re: Steps: Injectable Ivermectin Kimk
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This is a reply to # 1,814,282I have had strongyloides for 20 years and I am sick & tired of this crap.
I have taken everything for them. Thought they where finally gone. Well...about 2 weeks ago, symptoms started. I started with the valbendazole for about 7 days, gave myself a 2 week break & started with the fenbendazole. I went ahead and started reading thru the vet Merck Manual on Sunday and read about the ivermectin. I have used it in the past, but the horse paste. I went ahead and bought the injectable yesterday. This is the way to go. I would work your way up to it like I did by using something else for a few weeks before attempting this. I did one shot last night subcantanous in the stomach...I dosed myself according to the weight of the swine instead of the cattle. This knocks these f$:),$:/&'s dead. I have not passed them yet. I will probably do one more injection tonight and stop. I started this treatment on the 3rd with 2x''s a day with fenbendazole until yesterday. I will give my body a rest for a little bit after tonight's injection and do a final injection on the 15th which is a full moon. After that, I will rest my body for at least a month or so and start again. I want these damn things GONE. I RECOMMEND the injection, but make sure you have been doing something else for awhile to reduce the worm load before this is attempted. I feel if I would have just injected myself & not treated myself with the other stuff since I have had these damn things for sooooo long, the worm load would probably kill me.- Re: Steps: Injectable Ivermectin fightingpandabear
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This is a reply to # 2,164,631which brand of ivermectin injection are you using? Is it hurting for you?
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This is a reply to # 1,814,230Willtheory, I am not as well versed in scientfic knowledge of helminths or antihelminth drugs or even human body functions as steps or wheretheresawill so excuse my basic level questions.
Do you know anything likely to help with the unidentified worms that infest our eyes and interior nasal passages? Can't inject, obviously. Thank you so much for the references. (BTW, I had no idea there was something evil enough to have both filarial form larvae and eggs. I hope this is not what we have.)
So far, ivermectin orally, albendazole, doxy, mebendazole, niclosamide, and prazi have not stopped them from re- appearing in my eyes every fifteen mintes after getting them out. I use Antibiotic drops prescribed by a doctor who, of course, saw no worms. Also, sulfer drops over the counter--which work a tiny bit better.
We are taking all the supplements suggested in ICUs protocols though I cannot take oral anihistamines, which I see now may be ok. We also take fishoil.
I have no idea how to inject ivermectin or anyhting else, though I will be willing to learn if it is likely to help my eyes.
The things that form in my eyes have dark, filaria looking lines in them when viewed under a 100 mag. pocket scope, though I have not seen them move. Other than that they are white and clear and blobby or white and clear andstringy.
The ones from my nose and skin are clear and light golden when magnified and frequently accompanied by filarial looking thin lines that sometimes look like they are knotted up, sometimes not. Lengths I have found up to 2mm.
On these I have seen some small movement when I catch them right off my skin and scope them immediately. They quickly die.
Again, any info or suggestions are great appreciated.- No need: Injectable Ivermectin Mariaj
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This is a reply to # 1,814,406Hello
you say you have already tried tons of anthelmintics and those have not helped you with the bugs you have coming out by your eyes and sinuses? You have a very advanced case of Lyme Disease! Maybe they are coming out precisely due to the treatment you are having so they are trying to escape? they do that! they are smart enough to do this. But I was thinking maybe you are not doing the treatment in the amounts you do need, and by this I don't mean too strong but yes constant? You don't need to inject the Ivermectin because this won't be good to have precise doses, the way to go is with low or small doses but once a week for long time; Ivermectin doesn't hurt the Central Nervous system and can be taken for one year or more. I buy the horse Ivermectin very low price; and sometimes I take the Zimectrin Gold that also contains praziquantel. I never take it with a full stomach but empty - not fasting but empty means like two hours after dinner, before going to sleep, and I just pass it with water because it is the bitterest nasty taste of the world! I take fatty food like cheese but with bactrim or Flagyl not the Ivermectin, Never take a dose like if you are a horse or a caw, human Ivermectin is less concentrated as the veterinary one, so our dose cannot be so exact; so if the tube has notches for every 50 pounds and I weigh 150 the max I take is two notches and this after many weeks of taking it, I started with the minimum and that is the best way to go if you are so infested for so long. Chronic infections have to be treated low and long; acute infections should be treated with strong doses and short times. Most antiparasitic treatments fail because people or Doctors won't repeat them regularly; you need to take it at least once a month - every 21 days or better a low dose every week; my opinion! I am not a Doctor, just my experience personal and from my Drs recommendations!
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This is a reply to # 1,814,230Today I will discuss diverticultis... diverticulitis does run in my spouses family. All throughout the forums it has always been mentioned that the colon must be cleaned out in order for the herbs and drugs to be effective.
There have been problems with this with constipation issues.
I have tried so many different remedies with minimal luck on some members of the family but I did find that MSM to be the most effective and DR. Martins' Holy Tea to work as opposed to even Oxy-cleanse and others.
Also I am the only one that does not have any abdominal pain and the others did but eventually it has cleared due to the on-going MSM and clearing of some flukes that pain has been alleviated/subsided to a certain point.
One member in my family did have severe obstruction and unbearable pain in the abdominal area it was concluded by x-ray that there was in fact impaction and was prescribed a drug to slow the digestion down in order for the bowels to clear. That drug did cause severe gastric reflux and it was discontinued after a few weeks. The prior testings from the MD did not reveal any proof of Celiac disease as suspected being the underlying causitive for this pain.
Keep in mind I as the parent already knew that flukes and a co-infection was present. but getting confirmation of this through stool test and their mode of confirmation of this problem regardless of my knowlege and Dr. Chieu's suggestions were not respected and carried out...
Dr. Chieu said that they needed blood work and a sonogram and that a stool test would not show/reveal these parasites . We needed the FAS-ELISA and a sonogram to reveal the presence of flukes and the biliary tree extensively checked and that also was denied.
I have learned through experince dealing with doctors and mechanics, men/husbands:) ...Never go in with a diagnosis and tell them :This is what I think/know I have, therefore simply list the problems and let them find the problem, but it is very important that you know what to say to lead them in the direction of the proper diagnostic
proceedings...
WE have to pose the problem so that they remain regarded as the diagnostician, the founder for the cure...so tantalize it and be very clever in your choice of words... you may have to tell them what they want to hear..yes, I have traveled!!! geez
One thing I can add if you have obstruction:
AVOID SEEDS OF ALL KINDS,squash seeds,jalepeno seeds etc.
they will have to be removed and it is a real chore. the seeds trap in the pockets /folds, twisted colon etc.
Food must be cooked well and soft. In order to get the nurients and what little they provide(due to the lack of Iodine in many soils) is to cook them on LOW for an hour to an 1 1/2 until done in minimal water with a very tight heavy lid.
Avoid the isles at the grocery store..eat like cavemen, use the proper cleanning of raw foods prior to cooking.
Avoiding the aisle keeps you from ingesting the processed foods that add to our problems that contain the mycotoxins/molds that mimic Celiac disease and cause abdominal pain. I did mention the use of DE36 to bind and carry out those spurs that can cause disease but I am on the fence as to using DE since some have complained of its' attribute in further problems with constipation.
There also is an alternative to unblock the intestines and that is to use a small amount of hydrocloric acid as well.
So, parylitic ileus, diverticulitis, etc. is something we definitely need to rule out in order for any remedy to kill the parasites in the intestional tract and after months of repeated attempts and continuous presence of these infestations. It does sound as though this may be the underlying problem for some .
Please correct me...this is what I think ...if the parasites exited the colon then parenteral ivermectim is the drug/method of choice when all else fails ie, repeated and longer term 10-15 days straight of drugs like prazi, thaibendazole, albendazole have been administerd AND failed after 4-5-6 months of treatment.
So after this process of oral route has failed ... then the parenteral ivermectin is administered using 2.5 ml
once and again after 48 hours . Then co-adminstration will follow AGAIN through the oral route such as albendazole and/or thaibendazole to further assist in clearing the infection.
Anyone want to add???? Am I on the right track?
Please correct me or help me???- Re: Steps: Injectable Ivermectin steps
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This is a reply to # 1,814,630May I add: It is possible that there is some obstruction and we remain asymptomatic. You can be asymptomatic for any disease or you can also have an atypical symptom or lack of symptoms that deters the professional diagnostic check list off the charts. This in turn may prevent or deter your Dr. from investigating from the get -go using or eliminating the diagnostic tools that are available to us and can in fact save us major expense in the long run.
You know your body, it always tells you something is wrong, you must do your own foot/leg work.
You can not wait around for someone else to try/experiment first. We are not homogeneous, we may have similiar symptoms but we are not in anyway all alike...
I cannot tell all... but I do know this until you are at deaths door chances are you will not get help if you do not tap into all resources available.
It is impossible for one human being to know all the answers. It is impossible to take everything all at once. Most disease has been acquired slowly without our knowledge and the onset of a birth defect surely has come from some unknown existing problems that has passed through the placenta or genetics can play a part as well. There are too many factors and due to the complexity of it all is oftentimes is beyond our comprehension.
Parasitic problems are so complex even the best parasitologist,Doctors, and scientist are perplexed in treatments and the ever so growing of these beast is on the rise globally...PERIOD
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This is a reply to # 1,814,630brain fart...Holy Tea by Dr. Miller!!
sorry not Martin
MILLER
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DR. MILLER HOLY TEA- Re: Steps: Injectable Ivermectin willtheory
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This is a reply to # 1,814,690Steps anti-histamines supress the immune response specific to killing worms as i said earlier.
Wheretheresawill did you read the links? what do you think? i have to say it would be very depressing to have treatments that worked only within a certain radius on the body. when administered correctly the subq Ivermectin should have a SYSTEM WIDE EFFECT killing all susceptible organisms with high efficacy. It excites me that you have most of the necessery materials for the protocol i would like to hear back from you.
Steps it is getting more and more obvous you have a serious multi-helminth infection and that the medical system has criminally shunned you. Research some of the anti-pathogen treatments i listed at the bottom of my first post im sure they will help you. Remeber Google is your friend :) You have to take this seriously no one is going to help you but yourself keep taking vitamins. Forget about the doctors they will wake up in a few decades...
And like i said before the paralytic ileus is caused by the worms paralyzing nerves and pathogens causing gastrointestinal inflammation and since you need supplements to cure these offenders but the supplements cant be absorbed orally you will have to use another route of administration aka INJECTION! Once you have at least partially cured yourself of malabsorbtion then you can take orally some other things that dont have injectable formulations.
Endersgame like i said above subcutaneous Ivermectin injection administered properly should have SYSTEM WIDE EFFECT, so you will NOT need to worry about sticking a needle up your nose =0
also do not be scared by Science words Science is really the simplest form of things. filarial form is just a fancy word for adolescent and eggs is infant and mature is adult. or you can say L1 L2 L3 and L4 some worms only have L1 - L3. all it means is that they grow and get bigger and older and as they do they get differnt names and do differnt stuff. I BELEIVE MOST PEOPLE WITH SEVERE WORM DISEASE LIKE US HAVE MALABSORBTION. THAT IS WHY ORAL DRUGS WHICH SHOULD WORK SYSTEMICALLY AND VERY EFFECTIVLEY DO NOT.
Steps many supplements will not work until malabsorbtion is cured. your doctor is right on knowing that the ELISA is the only reliable test. you obvoiusly need other drugs than Ivermectin because you seem to have trematodes(fluke) and maybe cestodes(tapeworm) as well. these may have to cababillity of inducing malabsorbtion too. i hope there are injectable forumlas for these other drugs and i will try to help you but you need to do some research on your own.
2.5 ml on what percentage of ivermectin? other than that you seem to be on the right track. good going.
yes steps in fact most disease is asymptomatic becasue we are all diseased to some extent but remeber doctors really dont know shit they are government zombies. disease of all types is rising in percentage to the population there needs to be a change. i think malabsorbtion has been completley overlooked in both critical medicine and mulivitamins and other supplements.
Another thing to remeber: Ivermectin is relatively NON-TOXIC dont be afraid to use it. Just dont accidentally take 3 times as much as you were supposed too. that can be said for albendazole and some other antihelminthics as well.
All the above: i have been watching your guys' posts over some periods of time(not creepy) i am glad that i may be able to help people with similar condition as mine. i am fascinated by the unique manifistation of each of our conditions. i believe MANY people suffer from malabsorbtion and are on this semi-useless cycle of oral adminstration and continued suffering. We will get all this sorted out and will see the true power of full absorbtion. i have high levels of confidence for this idea. maybe im wrong. we will see.- Re: Steps: Injectable Ivermectin steps
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This is a reply to # 1,815,165Thanks again Willtheory! I am working on it, step by step.
They have moved to the phalanges and other places for now but at least it seems I don't have as many..I am probably speaking too soon again.
We are hanging in there, thanks for the support and opening our eyes to a very important factor that the norm is not aware of Parylitic ileus.
Did you try Miracle-Mineral-Supplement ? I haven't tried many of those you suggested yet. Ivo on its' way.- Re: Steps: Injectable Ivermectin willtheory
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This is a reply to # 1,815,169"I am working on it, step by step" hence the name? ;)
and you say that based on what latest treatment?
yes the people are not aware of malabsorbtion. just like many people are not aware of parasites. or the cause of cancer. or how the governement is poisoning us either purposefully or inadvertantly. or the hundreds of alternative treaments that are saving thousands.
I tried Miracle-Mineral-Supplement it only helps a little sometimes. i believe it is either mainly for TH1 disease or it is not absorbing very well.
Curing yourself can be very expensive but thats why ive done so much research on cheap effective methods. those are some very good treatments i havnt tried most of them myself but CS is a lifesaver for me. i think electromagnetic medicine is going to be the new revolution in medecine.
did you order the injectable ivo?
on a second note it is very nice to finally be able to talk to people about this stuff.- Re: Steps: Injectable Ivermectin steps
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This is a reply to # 1,815,177Ivo on its way. and I have a cabinet full of stuff to take and in fact I decided to beef up on the supplements and Lord have mercy..I took hand fulls and I am not sure but the reaction was similair to mixing vinegar and baking soda in a bottle then tightening the lid on it..a bomb went of that is for sure..dang I better know what I am doing mixing all those things all up it surely made my body sqeel for a week straight.
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This is a reply to # 1,815,194read your p/m and off to bed we go..good thing I checked my mail before I retired.
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This is a reply to # 1,815,194injectable???
steps be careful vitamins are safe like food, herbs on the other hand are medicines and chemicals, there is a differnce between the two and herbs should not be taken haphazardly!- Re: Steps: Injectable Ivermectin steps
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This is a reply to # 1,815,201Herbs are very powerful and it can be dangerous if you don't know what your taking and for how long.
I just don't go into the health food store anymore and pick up something and not have studied it first.
LOL I don't want to eat the "wrong berry" that is for sure.
They have been studied and actually and some have more knowledge than others and I have realized their properties can contribute to healing or assisting for more than one ailment.
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This is a reply to # 1,814,230even though I had a lot to learn since my infection and still learning, I too thought that injecting with Ivermectin would be the best method of getting the better result but as you know Ivermectin kills adults but not the juveniles L1, L2, nor the egg or ova.
if ABZ was available in injectable form, which it is not except for tropical disease hospitals, it would halt the continuous production line and injecting with these two substances for a set amount of time should clear a helminth disseminated infestation as you have already mentioned.
where would you suggest the injection site be and as you say the injection cchemical would be carried directly into the blood circulation to have the desired effect?
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