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Life was created before it evolved parazapper 6 y 640 † C †

Life was created before it evolved
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Thank you Lord. tomi777 7 y 3,856 † C †
- Your mostly not like this but ....................... tomi777 7 y 4,311
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    - [[[ So, either consider the evidence on the other ... tomi777 7 y 4,294
      - "Then tell me Loquat what's your ass... loquat1 7 y 3,842
        
        [[[ I think you mean ’you’re’. And you’re kidd... tomi777 7 y 3,673
  - For some reason the system would not let me reply ... UserX 7 y 3,723
  - To Tomi from the Bible, the Word of God. UserX 7 y 3,861
    - To Tomi from the Word of God UserX 7 y 4,218
      - You take your words from the word of man not god. ... tomi777 7 y 3,633
        
        Wow! After all the posting here you still believe... UserX 7 y 3,725
        
        ”Wow! After all the posting here you still believe... Vekky 7 y 3,705
        
        Good post, Vekkky. Have you heard on alternative ... UserX 7 y 3,703
        
        Cover up? Perhaps your government, so I shall give... tomi777 7 y 3,705
        
        Yes, there are a huge number of Catholics in the w... UserX 7 y 3,635
        
        [[[ Belonging to a certain group is not a guarante... tomi777 7 y 3,677
        
        Regeneration has nothing to do with belonging to a... UserX 7 y 3,700
        
        I totally agree with everything you say and I know... tomi777 7 y 3,695
        
        Some of us tried to read it. I know Refreshed spen... UserX 7 y 3,687
        
        Well thanks for your reply albeit a problem. Would... tomi777 7 y 3,640
        
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        Yes, I’m a Trinitarian. I don’t really know the... UserX 7 y 3,651
        
        Thank you so much yes you could be correct for tha... tomi777 7 y 3,645
        
        Thank you for your kind words. UserX 7 y 3,601
        
        hey, tomi. hes YOUR creator. quit demanding othe... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,691
        
        Butt out you prat, you don’t tell me who my creato... tomi777 7 y 3,678
        
        thats absurd. show me ”holy trinity” in the bible... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,656
        
        Trapper, get off your butt and find out, like the ... tomi777 7 y 3,885
        
        i dont need your goading. i can and do and will c... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,653
        
        Yeah I’ve been hearing about some of that. Those p... Vekky 7 y 3,726
        
        I think you mean inflammable. Strike a li... loquat1 7 y 3,972
        
        Nah cause even the infallible Popes aren’t exempt ... Vekky 7 y 3,658
        
        Urgggg! Before you correct me, I’ll correct mysel... Vekky 7 y 3,707
        
        Absolutely correct Vekky, but you must excuse him ... tomi777 7 y 3,636
        
        Do I need to excuse him because he’s Greek, or bec... Vekky 7 y 3,673
        
        LOL, nice one, geek? no don’t think so Vekky, lol. tomi777 7 y 3,654
        
        I think you mean: Aaaaaaa rrrrrrrr gggg... loquat1 7 y 3,695
        
        No again Loquat that’s a Greek cry, quit while you... tomi777 7 y 3,646
        
        Yep, that’s more like it! I know you knew but I... Vekky 7 y 3,779
        
        No Vekky that cry is when his piles are playing hi... tomi777 7 y 3,667
        
        No Loquat she’s right, infallible which your not, ... tomi777 7 y 4,075
        
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        Re: To Tomi from the Word of God loquat1 7 y 3,754
        
        What a nice man. A Greek and Italian were arg... tomi777 7 y 3,750
        
        Re: To Tomi from the Word of God loquat1 7 y 3,804
        
        Ahhhh, stuffed grape leaves! I love! Used to eat t... Vekky 7 y 4,004
        
        Re: To Tomi from the Word of God loquat1 7 y 3,648
        
        Are all grape vine leaves edible? My mum has a gra... UserX 7 y 3,665
        
        Pretty much, yeah. They hafta be a reasonable si... loquat1 7 y 3,686
        
        Have you tried them, do they taste nice? UserX 7 y 3,542
        
        You’re asking a Gk Cyp. if he’s ever had dolmades?... loquat1 7 y 3,683
        
        Aha! Meatballs! Use to eat loads of meatballs with... UserX 7 y 3,647
        
        Tinned meatballs? Sacrilege. loquat1 7 y 3,752
        
        Although I do like a hot dog, meatballs don’t tast... UserX 7 y 3,682
        
        Good to see you Tansy! How have you been? I heard ... Vekky 7 y 4,054
        
        2nd hottest/longest/driest on record, beaten onl... loquat1 7 y 3,692
        
        On BBC news today, new information about the summ... UserX 7 y 3,671
        
        We had a lovely summer and it isn’t quite over yet... UserX 7 y 4,292
        
        I think you mean nuisance. Science has nothing t... loquat1 7 y 3,702
        
        Ofcourse that is how you smell it, spellchecker ha... UserX 7 y 3,602
        
        It's how I spell it too. Well, the st... loquat1 7 y 3,801
        
        https://youtu.be/tV19cdygyuk Vekky 7 y 3,969
        
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        I don;t have a problem with those bushy tailed loo... UserX 7 y 3,602
        
        I have never known them to get caught in the netti... loquat1 7 y 3,677
        
        I’m with you Tansy! I love summer, and hate to see... Vekky 7 y 3,676
        
        It is only now coming to an end, I have received l... UserX 7 y 4,090
        
        Wow that has taken a long time to get resolved, es... Vekky 7 y 4,113
        
        Sunny side up huh? Just how I like my eggs. loquat1 7 y 3,775
        
        Re: To Tomi from the Word of God Vekky 7 y 3,627
        
        Time to flip the bacon over then. loquat1 7 y 3,680
        
        Cheeeekiieeeee lowcat, I think you’ve cracked it b... tomi777 7 y 3,698
        
        You’re just jealous coz I have a way with the ladi... loquat1 7 y 3,654
        
        Post Deleted... UserX 7 y 3,740
        
        Take cover, lol. I’d like to meet up with you swe... tomi777 7 y 3,698
        
        Pubic transport huh? Is that what they used during... loquat1 7 y 3,729
        
        Sorry, but I just can’t take the cantankerous old ... loquat1 7 y 3,665
        
        Re: To Tomi from the Word of God UserX 7 y 3,594
        
        [[[ I wouldn’t want to meet him on a dark night. ]... tomi777 7 y 3,686
        
        He wouldn’t recognise the truth if it hit him in t... loquat1 7 y 3,621
        
        Your answering my post to that young lady let her ... tomi777 7 y 3,669
        
        My mates in the armed forces are in your country l... tomi777 7 y 3,844
        
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        Yeah, coz there’s no other part of your racist emp... loquat1 7 y 3,618
        
        Psalm 103:12: He has removed our sins from us. ... UserX 7 y 3,665
        
        That is true if the person has asked for forgivene... UserX 7 y 3,772
        
        do you think its any of your business? besides,... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,682
        
        Do you think it is any of your business? UserX 7 y 3,603
        
        ”the bible says we are forgiven in exactly the sam... Vekky 7 y 3,722
        
        Re: To Tomi from the Word of God UserX 7 y 3,598
        
        you dont understand any of what youre talking abou... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,655
        
        I will not answer this for you because I’ve alread... Vekky 7 y 3,721
        
        Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall b... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,610
        
        Mark 3:28-30 The Unpardonable Sin 28 “Assuredl... Vekky 7 y 3,763
        
        so you are saying i have an unclean spirit???? trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,635
        
        No, that wasn’t my point! Vekky 7 y 3,634
        
        who cares what your point was since you dont know ... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,694
        
        Yes, and I also think he has asked God for forgive... UserX 7 y 3,685
        
        Our sins are only cast into the depths of the sea ... Vekky 7 y 3,626
        
        Re: To Tomi from the Word of God UserX 7 y 3,706
        
        I agree Tansy. It’s pretty silly. I’m in procrasti... Vekky 7 y 3,681
        
        Well, I’m back to work tomorrow so I won’t be in t... UserX 7 y 3,923
        
        I am just going by what we have all been seeing ha... UserX 7 y 3,687
        
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        I’m the one who acts like I have it all right, lol... UserX 7 y 3,749
        
        The truth is he has dished out so much crap and li... UserX 7 y 3,957
        
        Don’t curse yourself or Tomi with negative words. ... UserX 7 y 3,730
        
        It is like giving someone the go ahead to insu... UserX 7 y 3,647
        
        Tansy: What did I give a demon rights to.. Me: ... UserX 7 y 3,579
        
        edited tomi777 7 y 3,684
        
        post deleted. Sleep well:) iframe width=”560” ... tomi777 7 y 3,746
        
        Re: To all involved. UserX 7 y 3,719
        
        ”luckily they laughed it off” That’s just the b... Vekky 7 y 3,648
        
        Your right Vekky but I will answer that incident a... tomi777 7 y 3,590
        
        Re: To Tomi from the Word of God Vekky 7 y 4,063
        
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        Tansy: I’m sorry if my words are not quite up to ... UserX 7 y 3,585
        
        Well I don’t think he is being very wise with his ... UserX 7 y 3,590
        
        The only thing that I am thinking about is the fac... UserX 7 y 3,749
        
        ”Ever wondered why Refreshed is not about at the m... Vekky 7 y 3,935
        
        Thank you, do you think she will come back? I l... UserX 7 y 3,666
        
        ”Thank you, do you think she will come back?” I... Vekky 7 y 4,114
        
        I don’t think you were the reason, I think we all ... UserX 7 y 3,698
        
        Only Tomi can answer as to why he posted that. As ... UserX 7 y 3,621
        
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        Re: To Tomi from the Word of God UserX 7 y 3,633
        
        Your lies have you confused, try the truth for onc... tomi777 7 y 3,638
        
        Jealous? No lowcat, an observation. At first I tho... tomi777 7 y 3,812
        
        Re: To Tomi from the Word of God UserX 7 y 3,958
        
        Yadda, Yadda, Yadda, LOL. tomi777 7 y 3,710
        
        You’re right Tomi! Loquat and I have a secret love... Vekky 7 y 3,656
        
        You Jezebel. So it was just about the fig jam all ... loquat1 7 y 3,649
        
        You are a talented man in many ways, but the fig j... Vekky 7 y 3,671
        
        Yeah, I also get heartburn when I eat too much of ... loquat1 7 y 3,996
        
        Yeah, too much of the good stuff can still be bad!... Vekky 7 y 3,777
        
        Like I just said in my reply to you it was a joke ... tomi777 7 y 3,689
        
        Don’t flatter yourself too much tomi. It will ta... loquat1 7 y 4,037
        
        Thank god that I couldn’t care less about you, if ... tomi777 7 y 3,611
        
        Read my post again, coz you patently didn’t unders... loquat1 7 y 3,726
        
        quit trying to patent shit and you wont have that ... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,640
        
        I am not a racist but culture is another matter, s... tomi777 7 y 3,669
        
        Happy to oblige. loquat1 7 y 3,600
        
        I was joking Tansy and secondly Thorns and Nails w... tomi777 7 y 3,671
        
        ”I was joking Tansy and secondly Thorns and Nails ... Vekky 7 y 3,677
        
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        Thank you, I think perhaps sometimes I get to i... UserX 7 y 3,727
        
        Thanks for your honesty and good luck in your new ... tomi777 7 y 3,650
        
        I would install a dash cam asap if I were you. I... loquat1 7 y 3,657
        
        My dad has just recently got one and they do look ... UserX 7 y 3,713
        
        There are loads on Amazon to choose from, and at a... loquat1 7 y 3,642
        
        Heard on the news today. 2018 is now officially th... loquat1 7 y 3,712
        
        i knew you fine folk were still pratting about t... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,962
        
        I spent two years in the middle east and Africa, w... tomi777 7 y 4,060
        
        Re: To Tomi from the Word of God tomi777 7 y 3,652
        
        christianity is just another fake p0-agan religion... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,721
        
        Pagans had it right, and you suck with more of you... tomi777 7 y 3,732
        
        thats your complaint? that i am vulgar and ambigu... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,629
        
        My post to you is not for amusement for you are dr... tomi777 7 y 3,716
        
        ah, i see. another cainite. you have me confus... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,666
        
        [[[ you talk about frying in hell for all eternity... tomi777 7 y 3,600
        
        youre the one who brought it up. ya worried? lol... trapper/kcmo 7 y 3,893
        
        How can one be worried about what does not exist, ... tomi777 7 y 3,925
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Evolution, the pseudosciene impediment to belief f... LoricaLady 7 y 2,088 † C †
- thats a mighty fine post. glory to the creator. trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,951
  - Thank you! LoricaLady 7 y 2,009
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      - :-) Blessings to you and yours as I have prayed. LoricaLady 7 y 1,923
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        All this talk about super intelligence to bring li... tomi777 7 y 1,819
        
        Do we exist or are we imagined? Did we request and... been there done that 7 y 1,943
        
        There are too many questions and irrationalities a... been there done that 7 y 1,905
        
        H2O, big bang? Why not indeed, its life giving, wi... tomi777 7 y 1,781
        
        Mankind Rising - Where do Humans Come From tomi777 7 y 1,857
        
        Re: Mankind Rising - Where do Humans Come From trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,882
        
        Re: Mankind Rising - Where do Humans Come From tomi777 7 y 1,816
        
        The Three Stooges ... trapper/kcmo 7 y 2,742
        
        It takes all kinds to make a life:) tomi777 7 y 1,867
        
        youre throwin the baby out with the bath water. ... trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,862
        
        He, as you call him does not exist. No baby, no ba... tomi777 7 y 1,746
        
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        For what practical reason would ”THE BEGINNING” (i... been there done that 7 y 1,932
        
        Question: Did God create men or did men create G... tomi777 7 y 1,908
        
        Yes, men create gods. However, there is one God a... UserX 7 y 1,894
        
        Or, if you prefer: https://www.youtube.com/resu... UserX 7 y 1,880
        
        I did what you decided to do, accept, then try con... tomi777 7 y 1,876
        
        OK I watched the video, Josh went to his saviour b... tomi777 7 y 1,845
        
        #138346, one flaw in his message. When he began h... tomi777 7 y 2,156
        
        Josh did not change my mind. I believed in God be... UserX 7 y 1,831
        
        You say ”This video allows comments so you may lik... tomi777 7 y 1,840
        
        Sounds fair enough to me. :) UserX 7 y 1,816
        
        Thank you, become a child of God, must listen agai... tomi777 7 y 1,816
        
        Sceptical to cynical, that got me. tomi777 7 y 1,896
        
        the problem is that everything you have learned is... trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,787
        
        ”the problem is that everything you have learned i... tomi777 7 y 1,791
        
        no, i never said the bible was worthless. what pe... trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,766
        
        Re: Do we exist or are we imagined? Did we request... trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,878
        
        ”Do we exist are are we imagined?” You sent me abo... LoricaLady 7 y 1,780
        
        who is going to report you? and to whom? trapper/kcmo 7 y 2,012
        
        It is not spam LL its a fault in the software, whe... tomi777 7 y 1,832
        
        who wants to communicate with a paranoic anyway? trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,792
        
        are you paranoid for believing in a god? sman1109 7 y 1,791
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- Nature evolved from water the elements and the Sun... tomi777 7 y 1,801
- Here is a link: https://zapperdave.blogspot.com/20... parazapper 6 y 1,524
  
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Graham Hancock - TEDx Talk - DMT, Life after Death... BSA Educational Eric B 8 y 2,297 † C †

Graham Hancock - TEDx Talk - DMT, Life after Death & Consciousness

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Graham Hancock - TEDx Talk - DMT, Life after Death & Consciousness.

Graham Hancock - The real widespread war the rages every day is a war not for anything more than our consciousness and it affects everyone under the top 1%.

Take hold of humanity by the balls and the mind and you've got them in a non real trap - supporting a system the kills and plots bloody murder each day and hides the tracks of it's existence to cover and distort the truth and to keep YOU from finding the simple answers to free energy and the simple answers to cancer cures and to keep you bound by the state affairs called 'the economy' that is completely manipulated.

A wise man once said - the devils greatest trick is convincing you that he doesn't exist. Most men and women today fall at the feet in Stockholm syndrome fashion begging for mercy to the lord money.

It's no wonder that life follows the events written out in the bible - for life is predictable and the cycles of it are also predictable - many people know more than we could possible hope to know about the reality we live in - as the events that occur follow the book to the word like a comical magicians tale - we buy into different factions of the same system, be it through science, religion, or history.

Money was never the solution and is fast becoming the demise of this planets eco systems and health for profit. Little do we know that we have enough food, we have enough resources and we have enough health to be able to achieve monumentally amazing feats of life if we worked together.

Unfortunately the entire system is designed to keep us from discovering any truth. Business is built on secrecy and without it - it could not survive.

The evolution of Open Source and Free Energy are putting a strangle hold on the system. While the top bankers of the world are committing suicide "being killed" we stand by and watch ... as we've been programmed to do by fear mongering governments who constantly put out a barrage of fear each day in the air in forms of audio, sound and energy in the air.

Any person who is slightly spiritual will tell that fear in it's single powerful form is enough to keep you from experiencing almost all things spiritual or scientific.

The real human deficit is lack of human experience and lack of knowledge and lack of spirituality. The universe is a spiritual "conscious" thing, we are a mirror of the universe. We must align or be forgotten.

Understanding is easy if you have the ability to really questions your "knowledge" and "beliefs" ... and have the balls to create new ones the SERVE the planet and that SERVE humanity as a whole.

Only then can we truly experience our greatest potentials that lay dormant and suppressed by thousands of year old Science invented to do just that. Control the masses for the gain of the minority.

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Extraordinary Muslim Testimony! rainy.8 9 y 610 † C †

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Harvard Medical School scientists need a female volunteer willing to give birth to a genetically modified Neanderthal.

(NaturalNews) One of the world's leading geneticists wants to bring back an extinct human species by Cloning it from reconstructed DNA, then implanting the resulting embryo into the womb of a human woman.

So easy a caveman could do it!

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Muhammed Ali responds to a child rainy.8 9 y 717 † C †

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Great Skit rainy.8 9 y 1,367 † C †
- Good example of someone enduring. He stood the te... refreshed 9 y 954
  - I think the children belong to one of the guys tha... rainy.8 9 y 941
    
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    I think the children belong to one of the guys that came to help him with the work at his new DAL. Sometimes he has his grandchildren with him though. If you would have listened to the part before ....
    
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    I think the children belong to one of the guys that came to help him with the work at his new DAL. Sometimes he has his grandchildren with him though. If you would have listened to the part before the skit you would have seen Kent introduce the young lady as the daughter of one of the guys. I am assuming that the boys in the skit are her siblings. They must have practiced this before they showed up. I thought the message in the skit was very anointed by God. I'm hoping somebody gets it anyway. May the blinders come off of all who hear this.
    
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Rebuilding U S Internal Security InCharge 9 y 439 † C †

Rebuilding U S Internal Security

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If you thought for a second that the political forces that are against Donald Trump are going to stop even if they succeed keeping him from running against Hillary, you better watch this video, and pass it on. There's more at stake than the ignorant duma$$ Republican traitors backing Hillary in the POTUS election. Thanks to Obama, and Geo. Bush the Government is littered with the enemy like the one highlighted in this video.

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Evolution & Global Warming used to cover up mass p... copperdeficiency 9 y 1,406 † C †
- Copper, would you kindly say what you think the so... Pathway to Peace 9 y 1,068
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How I survived a Trump rally wearing a hijab..... mu-shen 9 y 2,015 † C †
- Can’t imagine why she is surprised by the hard ... InCharge 9 y 1,333
  
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  Can't imagine why she is surprised by the hard looks, and stares from people who read constantly about groups forming on the street, or in a restaurant, and to have someone from a particular persuasion join them only to be blown up because that person had explosives hidden in there clothes.
  
  No excuse for the half brain jerks with half a brain.
  
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Engineering the Course of Human Evolution turiya 10 y 930 † C †

Engineering the Course of Human Evolution
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Endowed By Our Creator refreshed 10 y 428 † C †

Endowed By Our Creator

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Posted on November 17, 2011
by principlephilosophy

The Declaration of Independence declared the position of our Founding Fathers that all men have been “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” This is one of the most important, but perhaps the most overlooked, ideals set out by the Founding Fathers. Many suppose that we could hold to the ideals of the Founding Fathers without a belief in God. In other words, they believe that we can fight for individual rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness (or of property), while denying that these rights have been granted by a divine power, or that a divine power even exists.

Yet this idea that a Creator, or God, granted these rights, although often overlooked as poetic phrasing in the Declaration of Independence, is the first foundational building block of the philosophy of our country. For, if these rights were not granted by our Creator, where did these rights originate? If these rights were granted by our Creator—who possesses power and authority far greater than any found on earth—then no power on earth can remove those rights and no one can, with impunity, infringe on the rights of others.

Does anyone suppose that these rights originated with the first person that is believed to have developed through evolutionary theory? This would stand in direct violation of nature’s laws. Evolution is based on natural selection, not equality. In natural selection, the more dominant person would be seen as wielding greater power and influence. Most of the history of human society has demonstrated that natural selection is the standard for elevating one person over another and justifying the domination of one group over another. The group with greater power and technology is able to exert influence and control over those groups with less power and technology. It is impossible that such “unalienable” rights could have originated from a process of natural selection. Had those rights originated from such a process, they would, of evolutionary necessity, be prominently regarded throughout all societies.

If these rights are not to be found in evolution, then, it seems, these rights are contrary to the natural and unchecked development of humankind. The natural development of humankind has always run contrary to the laws of God. Whereas the nature of humankind tends towards selfishness and domination, the laws of God teach us to seek a higher level of civilization. This level goes beyond the fulfillment of needs and includes a level of morality that transcends the restriction of action, which can be imposed by government. It leads people to change the intentions of their hearts.

If we were to suppose that these rights were granted by evolution, we must also suppose that they could be removed by the same principle as soon as someone with greater power determines that these rights are no longer suited to the ongoing survival of our species. Only through our Creator, and not through evolution, are these rights maintained.

Perhaps others suppose that the Founding Fathers gave us these rights at the foundation of the country? Yet this supposition suggests that the Founding Fathers had the power and authority to grant these rights in the first place. If they provided these rights to us, from whom did they receive the authority to bestow these rights on us?

Certainly, the Founding Fathers were not allowed these rights by virtue of their status as citizens of the colonies of Great Britain, for it was complained in the Declaration of Independence itself that this was not the case and that these God-given (not government-given) rights were violated. Had these rights been observed by Great Britain, there would have been no basis for the declaration to be issued and we may assume that the Founding Fathers were rebels attempting to usurp power that was not their right to possess. However, if God had granted these rights to each individual, including those in the American colonies at that time, then they were justified in their declaration of their intent to govern themselves, rather than to continue to suffer the abuses of which King George was accused.

If these rights had been granted by the power and authority of a government, established by the actions of mortal men, then a government could likewise determine that it was no longer in the interests of that government to maintain those rights. That government would be justified in such a decision, as the authority to remove rights would be inherent with the source that granted those rights. Again, it is only through our Creator, and not a government or its leaders, that these rights can be maintained.

A question came to my mind was: What do we expect from life? Many will give answers about providing for and raising a family, living in peace, enjoying friendships, pursuing interests, being productive, living according to our own conscience, or practicing our religion. In response, I would ask the questions:

To what extent could government be helpful in pursuing these ideals?

At what point does government begin to inhibit the pursuit of these ideals?

As we consider how the rights to life, liberty, and property help us to pursue these things, we must also consider how government can best serve us by protecting us from those who would infringe on these rights. At the same time, protection from others must be balanced with limited loss of these rights to the government itself for that protection. Otherwise, what purpose does the government serve if we would lose less to each other in a state of nature than we would to the government?

The purpose of a government is not to provide us with life, liberty, or property. God has already endowed us with these rights. The purpose of a government is to protect the rights we already have from those who would unjustly take them from us. When the actions of another take away my property, he is also violating my right to that property. When a person prevents me from the free exercise of choices according to my conscience, that person is also violating my right to liberty. When the choices of another threaten my life, they also violate my right to life. When these rights become skewed and a government is assumed to provide a right, rather than preserve it, the ground is tilled for tyranny.

Instead, when the role of a government is limited to protecting rights, rather than providing us with their outcomes, the rights remain with the individual to care for according to their stewardship to God, who granted those rights.

https://principlephilosophy.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/endowed-by-our-creator/

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